Conquer Club

Well, no. I should have said, "can you articulate yourself more clearly?" Because what you posted was very misleading.

And you oversimplify matters. It's not just about "heading him off at the pass", especially when he might have never been on that continent in the first place. The escalating / flat rate is a weak analogy, because there are less circumvention tricks with it, except for perhaps missing your turn because you want to play your cards later and you already have five (the only problem with that is that everyone gets annoyed because the game is slower).

Nous-irons wrote:Well, no. I should have said, "can you articulate yourself more clearly?" Because what you posted was very misleading.

Maybe thats what I should have said about you when you first mentioned the continent bonus.

Nous-irons wrote:And you oversimplify matters. It's not just about "heading him off at the pass", especially when he might have never been on that continent in the first place.

You have to try to out think you opponent in the game. Or would you prefer that he tell you ahead of time what his plans are?

Nous-irons wrote:The escalating / flat rate is a weak analogy, because there are less circumvention tricks with it, except for perhaps missing your turn because you want to play your cards later and you already have five (the only problem with that is that everyone gets annoyed because the game is slower).

Why is it weak, just because it doesn't fit into your argument? All the different variations of the game, maps and card types require different stratagy.

It appears that you have trouble with freestyle. Try to learn it.

There are plenty of people who love freestyle the way it is. I am one of them and I would hate to see it changed.

As I said before though, there are also a lot of people who would like a meld of freestyle and sequential. In this type you would be able to start your turn at any time unless someone else is already playing. Eliminating simulataneous turns while keeping everything else the same would solve all of the problems you are complaining about, Nous. I think it would also be a better solution than your proposal to delay the continent bonuses, because that would change the basic "Risk strategies" a gret deal.

This is a case where I would like to see an added option but not the elimination of freestyle as it currently exists.

Freestyle guarantees that you play once a day, the fact that you can take turns at the same time is weird, but if you play it you have to take advantage of that until the adjustment comes in so that turns are seperate

[quote=Evil Semp]

Why is it weak, just because it doesn't fit into your argument? All the different variations of the game, maps and card types require different stratagy.

It appears that you have trouble with freestyle. Try to learn it.[/quote]

Fucking hell, where did I say "I have trouble with freestyle"? I love playing freestyle, I have no immense grievances. For goodness sake, your tone is so offensive. Do you tell someone who is trying to merely trying to improve his or her spouse (e.g. loves spouse very much but tries to correct faults), "it appears you have trouble with your relationship, I suggest you try go to a counselor?" (when all a girlfriend might be trying to do is say, make her boyfriend look better?)

Your sheer arrogance in assuming what my sentiments are astounds me. I'm only trying to ameliorate a good state of affairs. What do they call it? Ah, perfection. There *exist* faults. These can be correctable with further experimentation and tweaking, just as we have abolished double turns.

Putain, toi.

This type of behavior is actually expensive. In what I don't know, but the price it high.

Evil Semp wrote:
You have to try to out think you opponent in the game. Or would you prefer that he tell you ahead of time what his plans are?

Naturally, but you have missed the point totally. Often these things occur by sheer stroke of luck, not tactics. Would you consider not playing your turn until the very last moment in order to make the rest of the players miss their turns "tactics"?

Sometimes the bloody newbies can spoil things too: they start their turn right after such a player as ended their turn, allowing the last player to come in and collect his bonuses and effectively play twice in a row, whereas more wary players would wait so they can attack him while he is not present.

If someone wants to waste the amount of time required, I don't exactly think that they are going to be successful in the parts of life that matter (or life in general, for that matter). Let 'em have their game.

Nous-irons wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:
You have to try to out think you opponent in the game. Or would you prefer that he tell you ahead of time what his plans are?

Sometimes the bloody newbies can spoil things too: they start their turn right after such a player as ended their turn, allowing the last player to come in and collect his bonuses and effectively play twice in a row, whereas more wary players would wait so they can attack him while he is not present.

That's my only beef with freestlye the taking two turns in a row.

[quote="Nous-irons"]Fucking hell, where did I say "I have trouble with freestyle"? I love playing freestyle, I have no immense grievances. For goodness sake, your tone is so offensive.[/qoute]

I am offensive? You are the one who says I can't read because I disagree with you, and I misunderstood your one point. Or you didn't understand what I said so you told me to ""can you articulate yourself more clearly?"

[quote="Nous-irons"]Your sheer arrogance in assuming what my sentiments are astounds me. I'm only trying to ameliorate a good state of affairs. What do they call it? Ah, perfection. There *exist* faults. These can be correctable with further experimentation and tweaking, just as we have abolished double turns.

Putain, toi.[/qoute]

I don't agree with you so you call me a "bitch" that takes a lot of class. But I am sure you will come up with another insult.

I didn't call you a bitch, I called you a putain. But I'm sure what you did was hop over to Babelfish right? If you didn't resort to such cheap methods as using an online translator I'm sure you would understand the cultural context. It was not an insult, it was a remark for venting. But it's your fault you resorted to such cheap methods to translate it, so you get an imprecise translaton.

I like how you totally sidestepped my point. That was only my signoff to the argument. The analogy still stands. You overassume, you mispresume: you are arrogant.

You *do* not tell a wife that she has trouble with her husband if she only means to iron out a few kinks.

I said you couldn't read not because you disagreed with me, but because you seemed to ignore my explanation further down my post that would have dealt with the situation you said, and it appeared you didn't read my elaborations.

I think the problem you have, mainly concerns non-premium members. They only have 4 games to play, so they have the time to concentrate on each game more, and take advantage of the double turns.

I know I was more aware about beginning of turns when I only had 4 games to focus on.

And freestyle games will attract non-premium members that care about climbing in ranks, because they can play more games in the same amount of time.Seeing as how rank is determined by the number of games you've played aswell.

I say, more power to them. You've got to make the best of what options you have.

Although I would advice everybody to go premium

Now who is assume, I used an online dictionary. But there you go assuming. I used the definition that fit the situation. And no I am no saying you have to speak English but that is the language this whole conversation has been in. But you try to use big words and words in another language to try to show how smart you are.

And to address your point, if the wife or girlfriend comes to me or post in a public forum then should expect to get replies. Even if the replies aren't the answer they want they shouldn't go around calling people names.

Evil Semp wrote:Now who is assume, I used an online dictionary. But there you go assuming. I used the definition that fit the situation. And no I am no saying you have to speak English but that is the language this whole conversation has been in. But you try to use big words and words in another language to try to show how smart you are.

What big words? This is my natural vocabulary. In no part of the conversation have I been artificially using words in order to impress. Please cite some examples. If you are talking about my use Romance cognates, that's because it's the best way to summarise precisely what I feel (Latin being an agglutinative language).

If u want, i go also talk singlish leh. u rly wnt me 2 tlk lik dis izzit? i noe svrl dyaleks of english of a lwer rgster tht i can also talk in 1, if u want me 2 avoid big words hor.

Using an online dictionary is not much better. You get a translation, but not its cultural context. If you really wanted to know, you could have asked the WordReference forums which is a much better alternative, but anyhow. By the way, I used "putain" not because I wanted to show off, but because I was very unhappy with your arrogance and needed to ventilate something that you wouldn't explicitly understand.

But you went ahead and fucking translated the bloody thing. You weren't supposed to, it was supposed to be interpreted at face value, so it's your bloody fault.

Swear words in another language is a cultural thing, part-reflex, part-conscious. They are a part of me. If I were speaking to you directly, I would have thoughts in other languages that could not be expressed in English.

And to address your point, if the wife or girlfriend comes to me or post in a public forum then should expect to get replies. Even if the replies aren't the answer they want they shouldn't go around calling people names.

It was an analogy. Saying something like "I think you have trouble with such and such" is highly offesive and overassuming when the person only wanted to improve a particular aspect of something. He or she doesn't necessarily have trouble with playing (or the relationship) just because she wants to improve certain aspects.

If you want to know, it's because I use all these freestyle tactics and I feel guilty about it. It's not because I have trouble playing freestyle: I'm the person who does them. However, I have a guilty pang about it afterwards and would feel better if freestyle were improved further to remove such exploits.

I hate playing freestyle, but that situation you described isnt cheap, its just freestyle.

that is the idea of the game just another tactic. In some ways more realistic as in real warfare an army general would not allow another superpower to take away all their power immediately so that is not unfair.

boberz wrote:that is the idea of the game just another tactic. In some ways more realistic as in real warfare an army general would not allow another superpower to take away all their power immediately so that is not unfair.

True but I am not interested in realism, I am interested in fun, enjoyable gameplay. It would also be realistic for someone to come over my house and shoot me if I lost a game.

Kugelblitz22 wrote:

boberz wrote:that is the idea of the game just another tactic. In some ways more realistic as in real warfare an army general would not allow another superpower to take away all their power immediately so that is not unfair.

True but I am not interested in realism, I am interested in fun, enjoyable gameplay. It would also be realistic for someone to come over my house and shoot me if I lost a game.

i suppose that could be argued even so that is the type of game the other people chose to play so they have a right to play the game to win. The different options are there for everyones benefit if you discover you do not like an option then dont play it. Simple as

boberz wrote:

Kugelblitz22 wrote:

boberz wrote:that is the idea of the game just another tactic. In some ways more realistic as in real warfare an army general would not allow another superpower to take away all their power immediately so that is not unfair.

True but I am not interested in realism, I am interested in fun, enjoyable gameplay. It would also be realistic for someone to come over my house and shoot me if I lost a game.

i suppose that could be argued even so that is the type of game the other people chose to play so they have a right to play the game to win. The different options are there for everyones benefit if you discover you do not like an option then dont play it. Simple as

Point taken, and just so you know I have been signing up for sequential games recently.

Can I just say that I love playing freestyle but I do understand the OP's point. If you have time to sit at your computer all day then you can in fact have double turns. It would seem that not allowing simultaneous turns would solve this problem and not loose the 'shall I play now or risk loosing my continent or should I hold off a bit' which as well as faster games is really what freestyle is all about.

Before my time double turns were outlawed, some members are using this tactic to get around the rule. If it is left as it is then you may as well continue to allow double turns or even give bonuses at the end of your turn for continents that you have. Both these two points make the game silly.

Please can we have an option at least to not allow simultaneous turns as it really does spoil freestyle otherwise, at least for me.

Peter

hawkeye wrote:This type of behavior is actually expensive. In what I don't know, but the price it high.

Your not still trying to argue this point are you? After I pulled out a can of dictionary whoop-ass on you earlier in the thread?

yorkiepeter wrote:Before my time double turns were outlawed, some members are using this tactic to get around the rule. If it is left as it is then you may as well continue to allow double turns or even give bonuses at the end of your turn for continents that you have. Both these two points make the game silly.

Everyone keeps making this argument: 'Double turns was eliminated, so this tactic should be eliminated because it is essentially a double turn!'

I understand that many people weren't around when double turns was taken away, but it happened for two main reasons:
1- It was not a very popular style of play
2- You can create a defacto double turn in two different ways in regular freestyle games. (Waiting until the last second to play or ending your turn and waiting for someone to begin theirs)

Lack has known for a longgggg time that this type of tactic exists, and in fact it was one of the main reasons the double turn style was taken away. He intentionally did not eliminate the ability to create defacto double turns, though since the suggestion is pending he is considering adding a semi-freestyle option.

Nous-irons wrote:Using an online dictionary is not much better. You get a translation, but not its cultural context. If you really wanted to know, you could have asked the WordReference forums which is a much better alternative, but anyhow. By the way, I used "putain" not because I wanted to show off, but because I was very unhappy with your arrogance and needed to ventilate something that you wouldn't explicitly understand.

But you went ahead and fucking translated the bloody thing. You weren't supposed to, it was supposed to be interpreted at face value, so it's your bloody fault.

You us a word I don't understand and I go to a dictionary and it is my fault. You used the word, and I wanted to know what it meant. Whats face value of a word if I don't know what it means?

Nous-irons wrote:If you want to know, it's because I use all these freestyle tactics and I feel guilty about it. It's not because I have trouble playing freestyle: I'm the person who does them. However, I have a guilty pang about it afterwards and would feel better if freestyle were improved further to remove such exploits.

If you feel guilty then don't use those tatics, and I like freestyle the way it is.

the whole idea of freestyle is that move there...take it, get the credit, crush

thats what makes it so fun

i dont really like the defacto double turn, but i dont do it, and know its a risk when i play them

if you dont like freestyle dont play it

if you dont like no cards dont play it

etc

more options will be a blast

they will all have their advantages and disadvantages....this is a game that we play because they include such things

there's risk, loopholes, strategy, drama, luck, etc

if you want an even playing field play chess, speed chess if you want to spice it up...

if you want an unpredictable game with many options, many ways to win and lose


welcome

Evil Semp wrote:

Nous-irons wrote:Using an online dictionary is not much better. You get a translation, but not its cultural context. If you really wanted to know, you could have asked the WordReference forums which is a much better alternative, but anyhow. By the way, I used "putain" not because I wanted to show off, but because I was very unhappy with your arrogance and needed to ventilate something that you wouldn't explicitly understand.

But you went ahead and fucking translated the bloody thing. You weren't supposed to, it was supposed to be interpreted at face value, so it's your bloody fault.

You us a word I don't understand and I go to a dictionary and it is my fault. You used the word, and I wanted to know what it meant. Whats face value of a word if I don't know what it means?

A meaning (an attitude) can be implied without needing a translation. You're faulting me for calling you a putain because you assume the English "translation" of the word.

Nous-irons wrote:If you want to know, it's because I use all these freestyle tactics and I feel guilty about it. It's not because I have trouble playing freestyle: I'm the person who does them. However, I have a guilty pang about it afterwards and would feel better if freestyle were improved further to remove such exploits.

If you feel guilty then don't use those tatics, and I like freestyle the way it is.

Other people use them too. Your logiic is really funny. Apparently if I don't like those tactics, I should improve myself in freestyle or get to know how to play it, but I already know how to play it! So, I tell you I know how to play it, but then you tell me not to play that way. WTF is wrong with you?