Conquer Club

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virus90 wrote:why would you vote hotshot for that mtam? its a bit of saying the obvious (by hotshot), but its not like thats a bad thing in this case in my opinion. better get people on board who maybe arent.
wouldnt say hotshot is cleared cause of 1 post, but i surely wouldnt go for him as my first serious hunch as for now.

Not committal but not surprising at this point in the game. Would have been more surprising if he did commit to an opinion. Was not the first person to say this. Overall read of post: Neutral.

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virus90 wrote:i think charm already did her little soft claim / hint. and i guess she wouldnt claim scum @ IB.
just like yesterday, i still dont get what was scummy about the Hotshot post. But that definatly escelated, which is good for activity and discussion i guess.
So charm how serious is your vote on storr?

unvote (my jokevote)

Asks a couple questions. Not anything super scummy but still hasn't committed to anything beyond "I still don't get what was scummy about the Hotshot post".

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virus90 wrote:as to mtam, it takes me an average of 27 min aswell to post, i know you just type some quick stuff (no offense to content just related to style), but dont think you can blame others for having a different posting style.

the whole crasp fight /argument is very distracting in my opinion. who is genuine, is it anywhere close to game related? in my opinion its mostly filler of which i dont have a clue what to do with it.
anyway, for my scummiest reads i go with legionnaire. not based on to much but i dont particularly like how he first votes IB, and then soon unvotes again and then never mentions anything about a next possible target. enough for me to vote him now, cause in my opinion he is waiting for something to happen and go with it or just wait as a goal itself.

vote legionnaire

Third post after being prompted about his activity from Mets.

First, easy comment on the 27 minute argument.
Second, easy answer about Crasp argument drawing no conclusions on the issue.
Third, comments on Legionaire...Meh logic that could also be applied to him at this point in the game as he has yet to do much to advance the game or follow through with earlier questions.
Ends with being the third vote on Legionaire. Possible bandwagon vote.

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virus90 wrote:i still prefer to lynch legionaire, but not sure if we can get a majority for that. as it seems currently its not very likely. since charm basicly claimed VT, it wouldnt be worse case if she gets lynched.
anyhow i prefer a lynch to gather information. since im sleeping when the deadline approaches i hope someone will switch votes to make sure a lynch happens. or ill have to do that myself in about 2 hours.
can Strike be PM'ed/poked ? i think im officaly not allowed to do that myself.

Easy post. Doesn't reapply any of previous logic. Doesn't address logic of any other case. Just states that he doesn't think the legionaire wagon will go anywhere and states that charm wagon "wouldn't be worse case."

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virus90 wrote:apparently its clear that hotshot is mafia? see little expalning lots of voting. will see if i can rearead later to see if i can come to the same conclusion

Nothing much here. Doesn't push to reopen the case on streaker or even form an opinion.

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virus90 wrote:what is this charade and how is it helping in any way?

Not much here either. still I did actually get a bit of a laugh out of the Storr-Mtam dialogue. Just wanted to say that.

Overall read on virus, posts and content seem lacking (that's his complete number of posts since confirming not including his joke vote at the beginning.) and often non-committal. Would like to know why he didn't care that much for the Charm case or opinions on other people beyond Legionaire.

It is early in the game so lack of content isn't completely damning but I do have to say that I am getting a scum vibe from his overall posts here.

So family issues are mostly dealt with, I should be a bit more active now.

Reads right now:

1. Mtam-Lean town. As much as I would like to see him actually post more coherently about the Hotshot case, this seems to echo his usual M.O.
2. IB-Town. Strong day 1 play. Has been active and challenging most if not every player into making posts and reads. If he's not town, he's playing one hell of a game as mafia.
3. Storr-Neutral. While I don't particularly care for his play, I generally agreed with his reads day 1.
4. Hotshot-Trying to reread without the negative bias I have for the Mtam case (difficult considering that it affected more than one of Hotshot's posts directly) affecting my viewpoint. Right now Neutral.
5. Strike Wolf-As always town. But can we trust him?
6. Virus-Scum read. As previously stated
7. Legion-Slight scum read. some contribution to the game but not enough to make me think town when reading his posts and OMGus speaks volumes.

Come on guys, don't stall on your posts. We had a good D1, keep it up!

Vote count in about 12 hours

strike wolf wrote:Reads right now:

1. Mtam-Lean town. As much as I would like to see him actually post more coherently about the Hotshot case, this seems to echo his usual M.O.
2. IB-Town. Strong day 1 play. Has been active and challenging most if not every player into making posts and reads. If he's not town, he's playing one hell of a game as mafia.
3. Storr-Neutral. While I don't particularly care for his play, I generally agreed with his reads day 1.
4. Hotshot-Trying to reread without the negative bias I have for the Mtam case (difficult considering that it affected more than one of Hotshot's posts directly) affecting my viewpoint. Right now Neutral.
5. Strike Wolf-As always town. But can we trust him?
6. Virus-Scum read. As previously stated
7. Legion-Slight scum read. some contribution to the game but not enough to make me think town when reading his posts and OMGus speaks volumes.

So after all that analysis... where is your vote?

Only mtam and I have placed a vote today... (well, and stor's copycat vote temporarily). Streaker is right that we need some more activity in here...

Right now I plan on voting Virus but I want to hear his response and possibly other opinions about my case.

From my perspective I have a 33% of picking mafia as I have 6 people to choose from. Those odds increase though on how I choose to read people. Unless we have PRs then my whole choice is a big guessing game based on who I think is Town and Mafia with no other proof then how I perceive their behavior. In other words I could be completely wrong.

Mtam I believe is Town just from his manic posting style. He comes across as righteous and was first out of the gate to latch on to someone. That does not make his case on HS strong. In fact its not a case just his perception.

Strike I am leaning Town...his first post seemed like he was trying to honestly read everyone and seemed very in depth...it just struck me as non mafia. That's my perception.

Storr a complete Enigma this game. I have a variety of theories but it would be just WIFOM domino theory. he could easily be scum.

Hotshot. I had him as Town in beginning and am still leaning that way. Mtam and HS could easily be both Town but highly unlikely they are both mafia. If one flips mafia the other is Town. I do not however see a case to lynch HS.

Which in my book leaves Virus and Legionnare. VT games are so much harder because we have limited to no information to work with. All we have is the perception they leave. What are the odds that both these guys are mafia...the same as last game? Nothing of real substance posted. My top 3 candidates would be Virus, Legionnare and Storr.

I think there is at least one mafia there.

strike did u hammer charm cuz u couldnt legion?

Mtam-did you avoid the charm wagon because you didnt want to get caught lynching a townie?

strike wolf wrote:Mtam-did you avoid the charm wagon because you didnt want to get caught lynching a townie?

I almost want to lynch you for this comment.

Maybe go reread day 1

StorrZerg wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Mtam-did you avoid the charm wagon because you didnt want to get caught lynching a townie?

I almost want to lynch you for this comment.

Maybe go reread day 1

I think Mtams question is meaningless and a waste of time. Its like asking "When did you stop beating your wife?" To prove he did not beat his wife or perhaps did.

Strike seems to be going tit for tat to make a point.

Storr this is a prime example of you chiming in saying something and saying nothing. Why do you "almost" want to lynch Strike for that comment.

In fact I think the best way to go today is for EVERYONE to breakdown how they read everyone and why. So far Strike and I have....as I said I have my top three.

Stoor who are your top three...who would you lynch?

btw mafia are dicks.

i shot mets last game day 1, and you guys n0 him. so rude

I'd lynch who ever mtamb wants to lynch.

So atm thats Me

besides that its more of, who wouldn't i lynch. and thats just tamb

StorrZerg wrote:btw mafia are dicks.

i shot mets last game day 1, and you guys n0 him. so rude

I'd lynch who ever mtamb wants to lynch.

So atm thats Me

besides that its more of, who wouldn't i lynch. and thats just tamb

That's a bullshit non answer. You act like your playing the Mel Gibson "Im crazy"card to prove how Town you are.

I did not ask who Mtam wants to lynch I asked who you wanted to lynch.

strike wolf wrote:Mtam-did you avoid the charm wagon because you didnt want to get caught lynching a townie?

I thought you read through day 1 twice?

StorrZerg wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Mtam-did you avoid the charm wagon because you didnt want to get caught lynching a townie?

I almost want to lynch you for this comment.

Maybe go reread day 1

You and Mtam both miss the point here. It was a question that had very little to do with the reality of the game to answer the question Mtam asked which I felt had little to do with the reality of the game. So yeah, it's kind of like IB said. A waste of time question to answer a waste of time question.

Frankly, I am just a little irritated that he seems to want to say this and no one even wants to respond (negative or positive) to the Virus case above even when I called you out to do so.

Vote count:

Hotshot53 (0):Mtamburini, Storrzerg
Legionnare (1): Hotshot53
Storrzerg (1): Mtamburini, Storrzerg

Players not voting: EVERYONE BUT HOTSHOT AND MTAMB.

You have until Monday 9th April 02.00 CC time to reach a lynch. Players not voting by then will be modkilled.

strike wolf wrote:

StorrZerg wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Mtam-did you avoid the charm wagon because you didnt want to get caught lynching a townie?

I almost want to lynch you for this comment.

Maybe go reread day 1

You and Mtam both miss the point here. It was a question that had very little to do with the reality of the game to answer the question Mtam asked which I felt had little to do with the reality of the game. So yeah, it's kind of like IB said. A waste of time question to answer a waste of time question.

Frankly, I am just a little irritated that he seems to want to say this and no one even wants to respond (negative or positive) to the Virus case above even when I called you out to do so.

Nah I think your getting lynched today. If you had read day 2 you would've known what I thought of charm.

IB and Strike you letting Mtam and Storr lead you a merry dance that is getting us nowhere, we need to focus.

You both wanted to evaluate a case on virus; I have reread his posts and my gut feeling is that he is town.

As for the voting party on charm;

Mets -- IB -- Storr -- Legion -- Strike

There is a scum amongst these I'm sure, Mets is dead, I know I'm town, which leaves IB, Strike and Storr.

If there isn't scum amonst them then that leaves Mtam, Virus and Hotshot

Or one in each grouping.

The way Storr and Mtam have been playing makes me suspicious, they usually have a consensus between them when they are both town but right now they seem to want to avoid staring at the same player?

Now I think it would be a good idea for everyone else to post there thinking on a case on virus.

legionnare wrote:Now I think it would be a good idea for everyone else to post there thinking on a case on virus.

Anyone can state the obvious of either 2 scum voted on charm or legion or one on each do you have a hard stance on someone you want to lynch

honestly, i need virus to post more today to comment further.

Vote Virus
common lets see your face

Virus has been flying pretty under the radar, which for him can be a scum sign... I agree with the pressure on him, would be good to see him post more, and if he doesn't start sounding more town, then I wouldn't oppose his lynching.

Legion hasn't done anything particularly scummy today, but also hasn't been very towny either... his recent posts are just generic comments "scum has to be somewhere, who knows which group they're in though". He also has a "gut" feeling that virus is town... maybe legion and virus are the scum pair?

HotShot53 wrote:Virus has been flying pretty under the radar, which for him can be a scum sign... I agree with the pressure on him, would be good to see him post more, and if he doesn't start sounding more town, then I wouldn't oppose his lynching.

Legion hasn't done anything particularly scummy today, but also hasn't been very towny either... his recent posts are just generic comments "scum has to be somewhere, who knows which group they're in though". He also has a "gut" feeling that virus is town... maybe legion and virus are the scum pair?

If one flips town does that clear the other? Are they always a pair whether they be town or scum?

mtamburini wrote:

HotShot53 wrote:Virus has been flying pretty under the radar, which for him can be a scum sign... I agree with the pressure on him, would be good to see him post more, and if he doesn't start sounding more town, then I wouldn't oppose his lynching.

Legion hasn't done anything particularly scummy today, but also hasn't been very towny either... his recent posts are just generic comments "scum has to be somewhere, who knows which group they're in though". He also has a "gut" feeling that virus is town... maybe legion and virus are the scum pair?

If one flips town does that clear the other? Are they always a pair whether they be town or scum?

I would say that if one flips scum, then there is a decent chance the other is also... unfortunately, if one flips VT, it doesn't really give any indication about the other since they wouldn't have had any more info than anyone else does.

No change at all in how you would read the other?