Congratulations people of Crimea

[saxitoxin]

An editorial by Republicus (possibly Patrick Henry or Melancton Smith), appearing in the Kentucky Gazette in 1788, against the proposed Electoral College, saying it will lead to a system even more "degenerate" than the Catholic church.

Is it then become necessary, that a free people should first resign their right of suffrage into other hands besides their own, and then, secondly, that they to whom they resign it should be compelled to choose men, whose persons, characters, manners, or principles they know nothing of? And, after all (excepting some such change as is not likely to happen twice in the same century) to intrust Congress with the final decision at last? Is it necessary, is it rational, that the sacred rights of mankind should thus dwindle down to Electors of electors, and those again electors of other electors? This seems to be degrading them even below the prophetical curse denounced by the good old patriarch, on the offspring of his degenerate son: "servant of servant."

Delegation is a positive actual investiture. Therefore if any people are subjected to an authority which they have not thus actually chosen-even though they may have tamely submitted to it-yet it is not their legitimate government. They are wholly passive, and as far as they are so, are in a state of slavery.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MO_vG ... 22&f=false

[saxitoxin]

You can look on the interwebz, good ole McCain the blubbering idiot met with Tyahnybok, I should post the pictures of him shaking hands with the racist asshole.

But no one will care. Because they didn't care when he met with a Saudi Israbian cannibal last year ... so now that's where the bar is set ... if you're John McCain you have to get photographed meeting with someone crazier than a cannibal for anyone to notice.

[thegreekdog]

Delegation is a positive actual investiture. Therefore if any people are subjected to an authority which they have not thus actually chosen-even though they may have tamely submitted to it-yet it is not their legitimate government. They are wholly passive, and as far as they are so, are in a state of slavery.

Those were some smart motherfuckers.

[Pope Joan]

My honorouble friend, I charge you with distorting facts. While most of your facts are acturally true, the following is distorted.

We know now that it was the new coalition government behind the shootings and the US and EU diplomats know this. On March 5, 2014 a phone conversation between EU foreign policy chief Cathy Ashton and Estonia's foreign minister Urmas Paet was leaked. Here is the transcript of that conversation-

No, we dont who is behind. Both the transcript and further clarifications from Estonian government make it clear that it is just one of the theories that the snipers were brought in by protesters. They consider this scenario credible but not definite.

The most powerful contingent in the coalition government is Svoboda.

That is clearly not true. All the key positions in the revolutionary government are with Bat'kyvschina. Svoboda is the second, much smaller player there.

These are extreme racist, neo nazi thugs, and that's no exaggeration, look into it yourself.

If you look at the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism, it is clear that, while Svoboda is a bunch of nasty thugs, they are hardly neo-nazis. They are followers of Stepan Bandera http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera, nasty, yet extremely complex character. He did have a period of collaboration with Nazis, indeed, but he later fought them in earnest, exactly as Uncle Stalin

The US thinks she can control these fuckers.

There is no evidence of this, in particular, of any thought process in the US foreign policy on Ukraine. If they did think, they would just shut up and let Angela Merkel handle it, the only world leader with both balls and brains to handle this situation.

[saxitoxin]

Pact of Steel Rubber



Frank Hollande's 19% approval rating
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10,000 Frenchmen employed building Russian ships
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"Despite France’s vocal diplomatic efforts on behalf of Ukraine, Paris still plans to supply Russia with two Mistral-class helicopter carriers to strengthen Moscow’s navy."

[saxitoxin]

The US thinks she can control these fuckers.

There is no evidence of this, in particular, of any thought process in the US foreign policy on Ukraine.

LOLWUT

Feb. 6, 2014: U.S. Viceroy of Europe Victoria Nuland - "I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I think Yats [Arseny Yatseniuk] is our guy."



Feb. 28, 2014: Arseny Yatseniuk was on Thursday appointed ... prime minister

[mrswdk]

Pact of Steel Rubber



Frank Hollande's 19% approval rating
+
10,000 Frenchmen employed building Russian ships
=
"Despite France’s vocal diplomatic efforts on behalf of Ukraine, Paris still plans to supply Russia with two Mistral-class helicopter carriers to strengthen Moscow’s navy."

lol. Good old Euro leaders. They will make good and prosperous friends of an ascendant China.

[Phatscotty]

[saxitoxin]

Congratulations people of Donetsk!

Pro-Kremlin protesters have taken control of the prosecutors office in the eastern Ukranian city of Donetsk.

In addition demonstrators have occupied the security service headquarters.

The offices of the Industrial Union of Donbass, which is chaired by the city’s governor oligarch Serhiy Taruta, have also been taken over by pro-Kremlin groups.

Protesters are demanding a referendum similar to the one in Crimea.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/16/ukra ... t-donetsk/

[patches70]

They are just following the example provided to them by the protesters in Kiev. Democracy in action!

[GoranZ]

They are just following the example provided to them by the protesters in Kiev. Democracy in action!

And since only very few Russian officials were targeted by American and EU sanctions, Russian lawmakers demand all of them to be enlisted so Russia can free South Eastern Ukraine.

http://rt.com/politics/russian-duma-san ... rimea-594/

[BigBallinStalin]

Congratulations people of Donetsk!

Pro-Kremlin protesters have taken control of the prosecutors office in the eastern Ukranian city of Donetsk.

In addition demonstrators have occupied the security service headquarters.

The offices of the Industrial Union of Donbass, which is chaired by the city’s governor oligarch Serhiy Taruta, have also been taken over by pro-Kremlin groups.

Protesters are demanding a referendum similar to the one in Crimea.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/16/ukra ... t-donetsk/

What does "pro-Kremlin" mean?

Does Eronews think the protesters are linked to x-KGB agents?*

*(Yeah, I forget the ex-KGB's new name)

[BigBallinStalin]

They are just following the example provided to them by the protesters in Kiev. Democracy in action!

And since only very few Russian officials were targeted by American and EU sanctions, Russian lawmakers demand all of them to be enlisted so Russia can free South Eastern Ukraine.

http://rt.com/politics/russian-duma-san ... rimea-594/

Go easy on that rt.com. It's a propaganda site.

[Phatscotty]

They are just following the example provided to them by the protesters in Kiev. Democracy in action!

And since only very few Russian officials were targeted by American and EU sanctions, Russian lawmakers demand all of them to be enlisted so Russia can free South Eastern Ukraine.

http://rt.com/politics/russian-duma-san ... rimea-594/

Go easy on that rt.com. It's a propaganda site.

They got sweet vids tho

[BigBallinStalin]

They are just following the example provided to them by the protesters in Kiev. Democracy in action!

And since only very few Russian officials were targeted by American and EU sanctions, Russian lawmakers demand all of them to be enlisted so Russia can free South Eastern Ukraine.

http://rt.com/politics/russian-duma-san ... rimea-594/

Go easy on that rt.com. It's a propaganda site.

They got sweet vids tho

They got a niche for hosting libertarian views too. Anything that's anti-US expansion is their schtick.

I kinda like that, but it makes me cautious because a too-docile US is great for aggressive Russian policy.

[Symmetry]

ITT, Stalin doesn't entirely agree with Putin.

[GoranZ]

They are just following the example provided to them by the protesters in Kiev. Democracy in action!

And since only very few Russian officials were targeted by American and EU sanctions, Russian lawmakers demand all of them to be enlisted so Russia can free South Eastern Ukraine.

http://rt.com/politics/russian-duma-san ... rimea-594/

Go easy on that rt.com. It's a propaganda site.

The best way to get to the truth is to take CNN, BBC as Western side and RT as Russian side, combine the info they post and divide by 2. Its far from accurate method but its much closer and more objective.

For example for the killing of 2 solders in Crimea yesterday CNN and BBC accused Russian forces but it might turn out to be orchestrated from Kiev in a similar manner as with Kiev protests.

[Symmetry]

I'm not sure many people will believe that the Kremlin sponsored propaganda from RT is in any way accurate.

[GoranZ]

I'm not sure many people will believe that the Kremlin sponsored propaganda from RT is in any way accurate.

And the same doesn't apply for CNN or BBC? If so you should consider widening your perspectives

Usually the victorious are writing history but sometimes there is no victorious so If you take for example the Crusades you can read 2 largely different histories. The western one and Arabic one. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

[Symmetry]

I'm not sure many people will believe that the Kremlin sponsored propaganda from RT is in any way accurate.

And the same doesn't apply for CNN or BBC? If so you should consider widening your perspectives

Usually the victorious are writing history but sometimes there is no victorious so If you take for example the Crusades you can read 2 largely different histories. The western one and Arabic one. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate. What do you mean?

[mrswdk]

GoranZ expressed his views quite clearly. Isn't English your native language?

[Symmetry]

GoranZ expressed his views quite clearly. Isn't English your native language?

Apparently I don't understand the verb "elaborate", that is, in my thinking, that I'd like him to develop or expand his thoughts.

[mrswdk]

The only thing he can do is repeat the exact same points as before except with a greater number of words, and that's just going to confuse you even more. Maybe you'd best take a quick nap and freshen up that noggin of yours beforehand.

[GoranZ]

The only thing he can do is repeat the exact same points as before except with a greater number of words, and that's just going to confuse you even more. Maybe you'd best take a quick nap and freshen up that noggin of yours beforehand.

I can use a picture

I'm not sure many people will believe that the Kremlin sponsored propaganda from RT is in any way accurate.

And the same doesn't apply for CNN or BBC? If so you should consider widening your perspectives

Usually the victorious are writing history but sometimes there is no victorious so If you take for example the Crusades you can read 2 largely different histories. The western one and Arabic one. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate. What do you mean?

The elaboration: If someone is shaping his views from only one source(or sources that have mutual origin) then his opinions will be influenced by only that one source without mechanism for reducing misinformations to tolerable level. Perfect example for this are Crusader wars. Western view and Arab view about those events are different. Since I don't know the truth(nor I have a mechanism to determine the truth) I simply take the middle of both views, which is not the actual truth but its much closer to the truth then any of the views.

Picture bellow shows horse but his eyes vision is deliberately shortened so he can concentrate on the work. Relying on one source(or sources that have mutual origin) for shaping an opinion puts someone in not very different position then the horse bellow. Tho its up to someone if he/she decides to ignore everything and live in closed box.

P.S. So you wont understand me wrong I'm not saying that you are horse, nor that I was horse for considering the western view for the Crusaders as truth for long time.

[saxitoxin]

GoranZ is spot-on. RT - like other nations foreign service broadcasters (Voice of America, BBC World Service, Deutsche Welle) - may be propaganda but effective propaganda can never contain outright lies or it will be rejected by the receiver.

If you take RT and ignore their "expert analysis" (usually crackpots like Webster Tarpley and Jesse Ventura), and are careful to only observe their firsthand reports (versus those credited to secondary sources) there's usually nothing that isn't as factual as what western media report. See: Bias in Reporting on North Korea.