Conquer Club

Juan_Bottom wrote:-Those who voted against are also Christian. With a devastatingly Christian-morality-voting constituency.

-Does anyone remember which American General said that God chose George Bush to bring Christianity to Iraq?

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Thank you for your epic troll. And if you looked at the massacres imparted in the last century in the name of atheism or secularization (WW2, USSR, China, NK), you would know that those numbers far outpace anything done in the past by Christianity.

There weren't any wars started in the name or Atheism or secularization, so yeah, you're being dumb. I could just see the Atheist General leading that charge. I don't know where this myth about Hitler being an Atheist comes from. I don't know where this myth that Nazi's, Communists, and Chinese people are all Atheists come's from either trying to spread Atheism comes from. I don't know why people don't check a book before believing these things... Secondly, when you look at these wars you'll notice that on both sides you had people charging to their deaths proudly because of their religion. No Atheist is going to die for a lack of belief.

Phatscotty wrote:yeah, and he also said something about teaching people how to fish, rather than just giving them fish.

and who is this christian you are tlaking about trying to prevent universal healthcare?

if you are sarcastically remarking upon a mockery, NM

No individual Christian stopped Universal Health care. They worked together. But we do have an uber-Christian in Nightstrike here who is arguing on behalf of the Million+ millionaires in America who control the wealth but don't make it.
Giving people free health care isn't comparable to teaching a man to fish. Teaching a man to fish would be akin to putting them to work so they can support themselves. But in this country, we will always have a poor and a middle class who wont have access to health care, but can still work. Even if they can work their way up to the top, which they can, there will always be the same amount of people on the bottom who can't afford health care. Unless you mean "teach a man to stitch."

Night Strike wrote:

notyou2 wrote:It was Christian organizations that started many of the wars that have killed massive amounts of people as well as fomented dissent with other relgious groups.

Fixed it for you Night Wipes.

Thank you for your epic troll. And if you looked at the massacres imparted in the last century in the name of atheism or secularization (WW2, USSR, China, NK), you would know that those numbers far outpace anything done in the past by Christianity. Either way, your trolling was completely off topic. At least my trolling effort had something to do with health care (hospitals are obviously important in that regard).

Phatscotty wrote:Sorry people, but assuming how Jesus would vote or not vote for is probably the #1 problem I have with what people do with religion, and you don't have to be religious to violate WWJD either.

Good for philosophy, bad for politics.

thegreekdog wrote:
- So? Your contention is that the Christians worked together to stop universal healthcare. I'm saying that Christians voted for Obama's healthcare plan, some Christians in Congress wanted universal healthcare, etc. I would have no problem if you said Christian Republicans, but just to say "Christians" implies that the people voting for healthcare were not Christians or that all Christians voted against healthcare. That's simply not the case.

thegreekdog wrote:
- Christianity was already in Iraq prior to our invasion. But, no, I don't know the name of the American general who said that God chose George Bush to bring Christianity to Iraq, but it's probably in the book "Generals Say the Darndest Things" by Bill Cosby.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Sorry people, but assuming how Jesus would vote or not vote for is probably the #1 problem I have with what people do with religion, and you don't have to be religious to violate WWJD either.

Good for philosophy, bad for politics.

I disagree. This is a big art of what Theologists do. (not that I believe in Theology)
And with the Bible's strong "Good VS Evil" message, I think it's safe to assume that Jesus would vote on the side of good. Jesus kept company with the meek. Frankly, NS's earlier argument that if someone needs a $10 a month prescription or they'll be dead in 6 months and yet can't afford it, that you should let them die... is evil.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Now you're gonna have me arguing from a different place than I was originally. Christian groups fought against Universal health care, but Obama's plan wasn't about Universal Health Care. It was about bringing Health Care to everyone... but not as another Government service.

Juan_Bottom wrote:I have a few quotes but they're buried in thick books that I have no intention of digging through. I bring my Newsweeks to work with me too and no one ever reads those either.

Night Strike wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Sorry people, but assuming how Jesus would vote or not vote for is probably the #1 problem I have with what people do with religion, and you don't have to be religious to violate WWJD either.

Good for philosophy, bad for politics.

I disagree. This is a big art of what Theologists do. (not that I believe in Theology)
And with the Bible's strong "Good VS Evil" message, I think it's safe to assume that Jesus would vote on the side of good. Jesus kept company with the meek. Frankly, NS's earlier argument that if someone needs a $10 a month prescription or they'll be dead in 6 months and yet can't afford it, that you should let them die... is evil.

No, Jesus would vote that YOU (or any other individual person) would help out his neighbor in times of need. That's the whole reason Social Justice beliefs are just attempts to impart socialism by twisting Christianity into something it's not. The government has no part in providing money to citizens (except for members of the standing army and the courts); it's up to citizens and organizations to take care of their fellow men and women. What's evil is the government forcing citizens to pay the expenses of other citizens. If the government were not so massive, I could guarantee you that someone would pay the $10 a month for a prescription. Get government out of the way and you'll see the charity of the citizen rise up. That's why polls and studies continually show conservatives are the most charitable block of people.

Night Strike wrote:No, Jesus would vote that YOU (or any other individual person) would help out his neighbor in times of need.

Night Strike wrote:The government has no part in providing money to citizens (except for members of the standing army and the courts); it's up to citizens and organizations to take care of their fellow men and women.

Night Strike wrote:What's evil is the government forcing citizens to pay the expenses of other citizens.

Night Strike wrote:Get government out of the way and you'll see the charity of the citizen rise up.

Night Strike wrote:That's why polls and studies continually show conservatives are the most charitable block of people.

Night Strike wrote:
As an addendum, doesn't it make more sense for individuals to give the $10 directly to the fellow citizen instead of giving $12 to the government so they can give the $10 to the citizen and keep $2 for themselves?

thegreekdog wrote:While there may be a correlation between Congress and Christianity and voting records, I certainly don't think Christianity had a bearing on whether or not someone voted for the healthcare bill or whether someone is in favor of universal healthcare. The vehicle for bringing healthcare to everyone - that's a different ball of wax (or whatever).

thegreekdog wrote:I was not being sarcastic. I also heard a general say something that Bush was bringing Christianity to Iraq. My comment is more of whether that's a rational or reasonable assumption. Did the United States really go to war with Iraq to bring Christianity to the country? I don't find that reasonable.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Conservative Christians are just gullible people.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Again, you're going to have me arguing from a point of view I don't support. I didn't say Christians invaded Iraq for God, I just joined in the Mockery. My point was that Christians have no problem going to war because of their beliefs.They'll believe that they're on the right side of the fight because of their belief in God. Religion is part of the control here. No Atheist can ever claim the same things. Atheists are overwhelmingly against war. Plus, the army has a very healthy Christian number. Something like 93%, though a quick google finds nothing. So it seems to me, that Christians like to be soldiers.

DangerBoy wrote:LOL!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/healt ... .html?_r=1

What a fantastic law

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Sorry people, but assuming how Jesus would vote or not vote for is probably the #1 problem I have with what people do with religion, and you don't have to be religious to violate WWJD either.

Good for philosophy, bad for politics.

DangerBoy wrote:

DangerBoy wrote:LOL!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/healt ... .html?_r=1

What a fantastic law

...........and now we go up to 222 waivers

Greatest law in history. So great that everyone wants an exemption

http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washi ... h-waivers/

Phatscotty wrote:If it's such a big part, can you show me a few examples of how theologists, in the context you are using them, tell us how Jesus would vote?

So far, I can only cite you on how Jesus would not vote.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:If it's such a big part, can you show me a few examples of how theologists, in the context you are using them, tell us how Jesus would vote?

So far, I can only cite you on how Jesus would not vote.

http://www.amazon.com/Theology-Politics ... 0QS0E6Z49G

A Gallup Poll released in 2007 indicated that 53% of Americans would refuse to vote for an atheist as president, up from 48% in 1987 and 1999.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Theology has always played a role in politics, and Theologists themselves have always tried to show how Jesus would vote or how the church should vote. For instance, Catholics are not allowed to vote for candidates who support Abortion. This isn't new news.

Religion has always played a major role in American politics. From JFK having to give a speech about his religion, to "The Godless Communist threat," to Evangelicals championing George W. Bush, to this:

A Gallup Poll released in 2007 indicated that 53% of Americans would refuse to vote for an atheist as president, up from 48% in 1987 and 1999.

It's nothing new.

Juan_Bottom wrote:So Churches can't officially endorse candidates. That's why the Catholics say "don't vote for the Homosexual or the Abortion guy. God wouldn't accept it." And the Evangelical churches say "George Bush is a man of God like you. He's been chosen by God."

BigBallinStalin wrote:You're the media man for ObamaCare. You tell us, Phatscotty.