Conquer Club

Phatscotty wrote:
Okay, and you have a valid point. However, my point was not why is cost more, simply that it costed way more than they said it would . And it's not selective history. That was merely the most simple example to prove. I have never heard of my state coming in under budget, it always always always costs more, for anything. You say you are 17? I think that's what you said...if that is true there is much experience awaiting you and you will eventually know this to be the truth and you will think back to this post and be like "dangggggg"

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
Okay, and you have a valid point. However, my point was not why is cost more, simply that it costed way more than they said it would . And it's not selective history. That was merely the most simple example to prove. I have never heard of my state coming in under budget, it always always always costs more, for anything. You say you are 17? I think that's what you said...if that is true there is much experience awaiting you and you will eventually know this to be the truth and you will think back to this post and be like "dangggggg"

That's because people keep voting in polititians who promise to cut taxes and lower expenses, but when those politicians get to the capitols, they realize they are no better miracle workers than the previous folks.

Some local doctors, faced with a large cut in what the government pays them for treating Medicare patients, are telling senior patients they must switch by year's end to better-paying private Medicare Advantage plans. Paul Williams, 72, was one of about 6,000 patients who recently received a letter from Highline Medical Group, a consortium of 35 doctors in eight clinics in the South Puget Sound area, telling them to switch plans by Jan. 1, when traditional government Medicare reimbursements are set to shrink by 25 percent. Williams, who's been seeing Highline doctors for 20 years, said he understands their dilemma and doesn't blame them for not wanting to lose money.

karel wrote:Obama has done more for health care then anyone has in the last 40 years

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, see, we really do have universal healthcare. It's called "Medicaid". Get poor enough and taxpayers wind up getting the WHOLE tab.

jbrettlip wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, see, we really do have universal healthcare. It's called "Medicaid". Get poor enough and taxpayers wind up getting the WHOLE tab.

And that is why I support Bulletaid...freee bullets for those poor people.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, see, we really do have universal healthcare. It's called "Medicaid". Get poor enough and taxpayers wind up getting the WHOLE tab.

ViperOverLord wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, see, we really do have universal healthcare. It's called "Medicaid". Get poor enough and taxpayers wind up getting the WHOLE tab.

ViperOverLord wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, see, we really do have universal healthcare. It's called "Medicaid". Get poor enough and taxpayers wind up getting the WHOLE tab.

Yes and that system is going bankrupt and in the process the government has used its ineffectiveness as justification to control your life and to raise your taxes and "fees" and to control your health care options. No thank you to the government controlling health care.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Well, see, we really do have universal healthcare. It's called "Medicaid". Get poor enough and taxpayers wind up getting the WHOLE tab.

Yes and that system is going bankrupt and in the process the government has used its ineffectiveness as justification to control your life and to raise your taxes and "fees" and to control your health care options. No thank you to the government controlling health care.

Yes, bankruptcy is what happens when you allow insurance companies to get whatever fees they wish for insuring healthy people, only to dump them when they actually get sick. See, if those dollars that give insurance companies such wonderful profits, unknown anywhere else in the world, instead went to a universal system, to support all of us, then suddenly, overall healthcare AND taxes would be a lot cheaper.

But, don't take my word for it, just look at any other country in this world with a modern medical system, and you will find that people pay far less than we for their care. AND, its no more substandard than here.

ViperOverLord wrote:I'm not going to spend a minute defending the insurance companies. I'm sure they deserve whatever blame they deserve. But the fact is that medicare is a government conception and program and pawning off their inabilities to the insurance companies does not reflect the realities of the situation.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:I'm not going to spend a minute defending the insurance companies. I'm sure they deserve whatever blame they deserve. But the fact is that medicare is a government conception and program and pawning off their inabilities to the insurance companies does not reflect the realities of the situation.

I see, so you think that insurance companies actually do insure truly sick people, more than a few very wealthy and a few lucky others, that is? It doesn't matter how long you have paid them, go off insurance for 60 days and NO previous conditions are covered in adults. That, even aside from the many delay tactics insurance companies use on people who still think they actually have insurance.

OR, is it that you think the government ought to be able to care for the pretty much just the truly sick for cheaper than insurance companies can?

ViperOverLord wrote: I agree that insurance companies are part of the problem in general medical coverage. But their level of guilt is irrelevant to how I feel about how pathetic the govt. is at administering health care. If you want to start a what's bad with the insurance companies thread then I think you made good points that I'd back. But I'm not going to confuse the insurance companies levels of disservice with the governments inept control of medicare.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote: I agree that insurance companies are part of the problem in general medical coverage. But their level of guilt is irrelevant to how I feel about how pathetic the govt. is at administering health care. If you want to start a what's bad with the insurance companies thread then I think you made good points that I'd back. But I'm not going to confuse the insurance companies levels of disservice with the governments inept control of medicare.

No dice. A lot of people like to slam Medicaid and Medicare, but its not enough to say "this system isn't perfect". You have to provide alternatives. The biggest problems with those programs are that they have to provide for an overwhelming number of sick patients for too few dollars. This means reimbursements get slashed, some coverage cut and the number of adults that are covered is slashed. One of the prime reasons for that is insurance patient dumping. The fact that insurance companies make millions from insuring healthy people. only to dump them when they get sick DOES impact the overall cost of healthcare.

You slam the government out of principle, but the reality is that every other civilized country covers its citizens better for cheaper, and government "interference" is a primary reason why.

ViperOverLord wrote:We tax people directly for medicare right now. And does our money go to funds directly for our care at a later point? No. The truth is that my care will depend on a small base of people that can't give me adequate coverage. I know its broke and I can't opt out? What kind of b.s. is that? That's unAmerican. You want to talk about corruption? I'd gladly take the thousands of dollars that the govt syphons from my paycheck and invest it and self insure myself or go to Lloyds Of London and pay a sum for a guaranteed amount of coverage at another point. I'm talking real actual insurance and not this PPO, HMO nonsense that has became artificially inflated health care. The govt. is the problem and all your blaming health insurance companies won't change that.

PLAYER57832 wrote:A lot of people like to slam Medicaid and Medicare, but its not enough to say "this system isn't perfect". You have to provide alternatives.

Night Strike wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:A lot of people like to slam Medicaid and Medicare, but its not enough to say "this system isn't perfect". You have to provide alternatives.

And the only answer you provide to insurance is the government. Sounds like the exact same argument you're deriding VoL for.

Phatscotty wrote:move to france

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:move to france

Patriotism at its best. If you think you can improve the country you live in, you should instead just move.