Conquer Club

Phatscotty wrote:

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:you don't know that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher, I've already pointed that out. I've also pointed out there is evidence Zimmerman immediately obeyed the 911 dispatcher. That stops (1) in it's tracks, so there is no 2, 3, or 4.

If Zimmerman had complied with what the dispatcher recommended,
Martin would still be alive and no trial would have been necessary.

That obviously isn't true, given Zimmerman did comply with the 911 dispatcher.

oVo wrote:We do know Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher...

source? I'm starting to suspect you are going all backwards on purpose. Either that, or you made up your mind as to what happened based solely on the race of the victim. Those are the only things I think can explain this, but feel free to show us what you base this baseless claim on.

notyou2 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:you don't know that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher, I've already pointed that out. I've also pointed out there is evidence Zimmerman immediately obeyed the 911 dispatcher. That stops (1) in it's tracks, so there is no 2, 3, or 4.

If Zimmerman had complied with what the dispatcher recommended,
Martin would still be alive and no trial would have been necessary.

That obviously isn't true, given Zimmerman did comply with the 911 dispatcher.

oVo wrote:We do know Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher...

source? I'm starting to suspect you are going all backwards on purpose. Either that, or you made up your mind as to what happened based solely on the race of the victim. Those are the only things I think can explain this, but feel free to show us what you base this baseless claim on.

Here\s the transcript:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

He was told to stop following Trayvon.

"We don't need you to do that"

"Okay"

Phatscotty wrote:He did not ignore the dispatcher, he complied immediately, verbally, and physically.

mrswdk wrote:Tyrone was black, Zimmerman is Hispanic. They were both just victims of their system, participants in the Bum Fight that minority communities are locked in for the entertainment of the white viewer.

notyou2 wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Tyrone was black, Zimmerman is Hispanic. They were both just victims of their system, participants in the Bum Fight that minority communities are locked in for the entertainment of the white viewer.

What race are hispanics?

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:He did not ignore the dispatcher, he complied immediately, verbally, and physically.

No. Obviously he didn't, because soon after someone was shot.

notyou2 wrote:You need to practice your reading comprehension.

notyou2 wrote:He was told to stop following Trayvon.

Phatscotty wrote:Soon after Trayvon brutally attacked Zimmerman and repeatedly bashed Zimmerman's head into the concrete, Trayvon was shot.

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Soon after Trayvon brutally attacked Zimmerman and repeatedly bashed Zimmerman's head into the concrete, Trayvon was shot.

You don't know what happened... fact is Zimmerman followed Martin.
Everything after that is hearsay, but this is nothing new.

Two other facts, (1) Zimmerman shot Martin
and (2) Martin is dead.

Phatscotty wrote:Did I just peak into your soul? oops, sorry

john9blue wrote:how ironic would it be if andy got banned for spam or trolling or whatever the CC mods decide that picture is

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon Martin was shot and is dead because?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

john9blue wrote:how ironic would it be if andy got banned for spam or trolling or whatever the CC mods decide that picture is

But it's an appropriate response, clearly depicting the constant anguish Andy feels whenever he's subjected to the constant fearmongering of Glenn Beck PS and NS.

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon Martin was shot and is dead because?

Zimmerman shot him. That's the only fact you know.

You don't know how this altercation came to be or even who started it. All you know for certain is Zimmerman stalked, shot and killed Martin.

I have no agenda and I don't know who to believe here. Is the guy with anger issues and two prior assaults on his record someone I should trust to tell the truth?

AndyDufresne wrote:



--Andy

Phatscotty wrote:

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon Martin was shot and is dead because?

Zimmerman shot him. That's the only fact you know.

You don't know how this altercation came to be or even who started it. All you know for certain is Zimmerman stalked, shot and killed Martin.

I have no agenda and I don't know who to believe here. Is the guy with anger issues and two prior assaults on his record someone I should trust to tell the truth?

Sure ya have an agenda, because you continuously ignore the other fact, probably the most important one. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete, repeatedly. That's why Martin was shot.

There is no way around it.

notyou2 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:Trayvon Martin was shot and is dead because?

Zimmerman shot him. That's the only fact you know.

You don't know how this altercation came to be or even who started it. All you know for certain is Zimmerman stalked, shot and killed Martin.

I have no agenda and I don't know who to believe here. Is the guy with anger issues and two prior assaults on his record someone I should trust to tell the truth?

Sure ya have an agenda, because you continuously ignore the other fact, probably the most important one. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete, repeatedly. That's why Martin was shot.

There is no way around it.

Some crazy fucker was stalking the kid. The kid fought back. Self defence and he was murdered for it.

Remember the terrible murder of Matthew Shepard in Laramie, Wyo. in 1998 — tortured, beaten and left hanging on a fence to die — because he was gay?

The American people were led from the outset to believe that Shepard was the victim of a hate crime, murdered because he was gay. And that is how virtually every American still views the story. In the words of Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.), “Matthew Shepard is to gay rights what Emmett Till was to the civil rights movement.” A play based on Shepard’s killing, “The Laramie Project” became, according to the Wall Street Journal, “one of the most produced theatrical shows in the country.” And in 2009, Congress passed, and President Barack Obama signed, the Matthew Shepard Law, which expanded the definition of hate crimes to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

It turns out that Matthew Shepard’s murder had nothing to do with his being gay.

As early as 2004, the ABC News program “20/20″ broadcast (to its credit) a denial by both murderers, Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, that the murder had anything to do with Shepard’s being gay. It was, they both claimed, a robbery gone bad.

“It was not because me and Aaron had anything against gays,” Henderson told ABC.

As a result, ABC News was widely attacked by all those who had a vested interest not in truth, but in maintaining the homophobia story: the liberal media, the gay rights movement and the lawyers for the victim’s mother.

The New York Times reported: “Those leading the charge against the heavily promoted ABC report [included] Joan Garry, executive director of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD).”

Sean Maloney, the aforementioned congressman who was then the lawyer for Judy Shepard, Matthew Shepard’s mother, called the program “‘just bad journalism … there is a mountain of evidence that anti-gay bias was a trigger for the beating that left Matthew dead after they robbed him.”

Now a book has been published, written by Stephen Jimenez, himself a gay man, that confirms the accuracy of the 2004 ABC News report. Matthew Shepard was involved in the hyperactive Wyoming meth drug culture; he was murdered over a drug deal; and his primary murderer was a bisexual who had probably slept with Shepard.

The media aspect of this case was summed up in a Wall Street Journal review: “Mr. Jimenez’s book is most useful in illuminating the power of the media to shape the popular conception of an event. It shows how a desire for Manichaean morality tales can lead us to oversimplify the human experience.”

That’s a bit delicate. Actually it shows how powerful the left-wing media are, how they are dedicated to agendas rather than to truth, and how much of what Americans believe is shaped accordingly.

Remember the 2006 story about nooses that were hung by racist white students in Jena, La. to signify lynchings?

As CNN reported: “Jena’s racial tensions were aggravated in August 2006, when three white teens hung the nooses the day after a group of black students received permission from school administrators to sit under the tree — a place where white students normally congregated.”

That was the national story: There was a tree near the high school under which only white students sat, one day a black student sat under the tree, and the next day nooses were hung from the tree. As late as August 2007, the Washington Post still wrote about “Jim Crow-like hangman’s nooses dangling from a shade tree at the local high school.”

None of this story was true.

First, the tree was never reserved for white students. As the Associated press reported in September 2007: “According to teachers and school administrators, students of all races congregated under it at one time or another.”

Second, the nooses had nothing to do with lynchings or race. As the Christian Science Monitor reported in October 2007: “An investigation by school officials, police, and an FBI agent revealed the true motivation behind the placing of two nooses in the tree … [They] were understood to be a prank by three white students aimed at their fellow white friends, members of the school rodeo team.

Remember the white lacrosse team players at Duke University charged with gang rape of a black stripper — and how the New York Times and Duke University and everyone in between reported this as an example of privileged white boys’ racism?

That, too, was all a lie. The stripper made up the whole story. (Last week, she was convicted of murdering her boyfriend. Have you read about that?)

The list of lies is almost endless.

The New York Times reporter in the Soviet Union, Walter Duranty, denied that there was a famine in the Ukraine in 1931-32 — the Communist-induced famine that killed about five million Ukrainians. And he won a Pulitzer Prize for it.

The media portrayed the Kennedy assassination as the product of Dallas’s “right-wing” “climate of hate” — even though a card-carrying Communist committed the assassination.

The media told us over and over about a heterosexual AIDS “epidemic” in the U.S. There was none. The media fabricated the heterosexual epidemic in order to remove stigma from gay males and in order to garner support for more AIDS research money.

Why all this mendacity?

There are truth tellers and there are liars on the right and on the left. But for the left, truth is subordinated to whatever it is the left most cares about: gay rights, minority rights (not after nuclear option), women’s rights, government health care and environmentalism being only the most obvious current examples.

That’s why talk radio, conservative websites, Fox News and conservative opinion pages, such as those of the Wall Street Journal and Investors Business Daily, are so important.

Europe doesn’t have them. No wonder Europeans believe that America and Israel are the most dangerous countries in the world. Their media told them so.

Phatscotty wrote:[...] you continuously ignore the other fact, probably the most important one. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete, repeatedly.

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:[...] you continuously ignore the other fact, probably the most important one. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete, repeatedly.

you ignore the fact that this is hearsay, nobody saw Martin
on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete..

oVo wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:[...] you continuously ignore the other fact, probably the most important one. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete, repeatedly.

Unfortunately, that is not a fact.
as you ignore the fact that this is hearsay, nobody saw Martin
on top of Zimmerman slamming his head into the concrete.
You say slamming, but Zimmerman's "wounds" were superficial
and there was no concussion or other serious physical damage
received during this alleged struggle.

Who started this fight? We only have Zimmerman's story
as there are no witnesses.

It's done and a year has passed. Zimmerman has his own
demons to deal with now, and I was actually surprised
to see him back in the news.