[Abandoned] - Colisevm

[PepeAtila]

I have been working on these images and I took some "experiences".
I would like to continue the same line I was doing but changing the perspective "a little".
this is a image as "landscape" could be used ...
[bigimg]http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3698/fotptocada.png[/bigimg]

and I dont know if it is possible for CC just to use it, drawing on it.

if I make a floor for it ... it is more clear it looks like going down...
[bigimg]http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2779/ftocangulo.png[/bigimg]

when I try to make it flat, it is clear what is the problem in the perspective ... just looking the grandstand
[bigimg]http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5215/ftochoriz.png[/bigimg]

It is not possible to give a good perspective with elipses since our view is more like hyperbola.

This would make me to begin again. So I guess for the "aim" of making a CC game, I think I should try to "manipulate the ellipses in the grandstand (this I can still working on it (with the different sizes (I didnt finish yet that is why I didnt create a new version already:

[bigimg]http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9650/nuevaverona.png[/bigimg]
I think it is the way to go ... what do you think??

[natty dread]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say... but I would say the best option would be tracing the photo of the coliseum, then drawing your new image accordingly.

[PepeAtila]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say... but I would say the best option would be tracing the photo of the coliseum, then drawing your new image accordingly.

I mean I will do it, but changing the image to fix the map I did... because in other case I should do everything again.

[PepeAtila]

Begining version 19 .... changing grandstand...
[bigimg]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5892/colisevm192.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

The walls of the arena seem odd... they seem to twist when they go to the back.

Also now the playable area is very small...

[PepeAtila]

The walls of the arena seem odd... they seem to twist when they go to the back.
I changed them... I know I should still improving the details in the map, I would like to know if this is the way.
Also now the playable area is very small...

To show it and upload the "intermediate versions" I reduce the image ... should I make it 840x800? or do you mean eliminate more "grandstand details"?? ... from the beginning I was thinking just to show the Arena ... just the playable area
This is 19.3
[bigimg]http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4691/colisevm193med.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

Well this looks better... There's still some funkyness in the perspective, but it's getting there.

Look at the inner part of the arena wall... It doesn't seem to be consistent on the sides, when you look at the same spot on the left side and right side, it's thicker on one side and thinner on one side. The right side looks better IMO. Sorry I don't know how to explain it better.

[PepeAtila]

Well this looks better... There's still some funkyness in the perspective, but it's getting there.

Look at the inner part of the arena wall... It doesn't seem to be consistent on the sides, when you look at the same spot on the left side and right side, it's thicker on one side and thinner on one side. The right side looks better IMO. Sorry I don't know how to explain it better.

Little by little improving ... I hope
[bigimg]http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6338/colisevm194big.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

Getting there... but not quite.

Tell you what... I'll try to draw an example of how I think it should look. I'll try to get it posted soon.

[natty dread]

Ok here's an example, I made it blue for clarity.

[bigimg]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7088/colox.png[/bigimg]

Ok look at the wall around the "arena". The flat (horizontal) part goes as a simple circle around the arena... but it is elevated, since it is the top surface of the wall, and the gap that it leaves when it is elevated from the rest of the arena, that is the part of the side surface of the wall that shows.

Then look at the circles of the arena floor... note that part of the arena (in the lower edge) is obscured by the wall. That's why I made the outer circle of the arena floor (the outermost territory circle) thicker than the others, because it is partly obscured at the lower part, so it must be thicker to compensate.

I hope this helps.

[PepeAtila]

Ok here's an example, I made it blue for clarity.

[bigimg]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7088/colox.png[/bigimg]

Ok look at the wall around the "arena". The flat (horizontal) part goes as a simple circle around the arena... but it is elevated, since it is the top surface of the wall, and the gap that it leaves when it is elevated from the rest of the arena, that is the part of the side surface of the wall that shows.

Then look at the circles of the arena floor... note that part of the arena (in the lower edge) is obscured by the wall. That's why I made the outer circle of the arena floor (the outermost territory circle) thicker than the others, because it is partly obscured at the lower part, so it must be thicker to compensate.

I hope this helps.

It helps, but I dont see my picture so different than yours, just I dont think it is a good idea to change the playable area. Decreasing the playable down area would make a best perspective, also perhaps changing the texture in the wall you would see not so different. Another different issue is in the rings on the map, they are not in different levels, so to understand what I mean you can see a bullfighter stadium.... perhaps to do the thicker down part I should make a bigger upper part, but the problem will become the space for the real playable zone. The idea about why the circular movement comes from where is the gladiator looking at. However I think I am closer to compromise the game and the perspective, I will continue working the weekend. Thank you very much,

[PepeAtila]

Improved
[bigimg]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4766/colisevm195big.png[/bigimg]

[PepeAtila]

this is another grandstand...
[bigimg]http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3299/colisevm20med.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

Starting to look real good. Now the only thing that bothers me is that brown wall in the back, it doesn't seem to go in the same perspective as the other wall and the seats...

[PepeAtila]

Starting to look real good.thank you. Now the only thing that bothers me is that brown wall in the back, it doesn't seem to go in the same perspective as the other wall and the seats... I changed it because I dont want you to feel bothered ... I guess it is going closer.

This is the last I made - v 20.2[bigimg]http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1738/colisevm202med.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

Uh... forgive me, but now it looks even weirder.

Can you not try to make it similar to the inner wall? That one seems to match to the seats pretty well.

[PepeAtila]

Uh... forgive me, but now it looks even weirder.

Can you not try to make it similar to the inner wall? That one seems to match to the seats pretty well.

but something more similar to this??
[bigimg]http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2586/colisevm203med.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

Well, it's better, but the edges on the sides still look funny... the top surface gets narrower towards the sides, when it should stay the same or get slightly wider...

[ender516]

I'm a little late to the party, but in my opinion, that inner wall is the one that has a weird perspective. The wall margins and the gates curve properly, but the mortar lines between the stone blocks don't curve with the wall. The verticals remain vertical, which is fine, but the horizontals should curve with the wall. As they are, they go from roughly parallel to the wall top and base (as seen at the back of the curve) to apparently running at a 45 degree angle (as seen at either side of the stadium).

[PepeAtila]

Well, it's better, but the edges on the sides still look funny... the top surface gets narrower towards the sides, when it should stay the same or get slightly wider...

I'm a little late to the party, welcome but in my opinion, that inner wall is the one that has a weird perspective. The wall margins and the gates curve properly, but the mortar lines between the stone blocks don't curve with the wall. yes, you are right, The verticals remain vertical, which is fine, but the horizontals should curve with the wall.yes, but I should do the curves one by one ... again I mean my first idea is to make "round stones" (rolling stones ) As they are, they go from roughly parallel to the wall top and base (as seen at the back of the curve) to apparently running at a 45 degree angle (as seen at either side of the stadium). Perhaps I will do some try next weekend. Thank you very much.

I dont understand very well, but ...
[bigimg]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5757/colisevm204med.png[/bigimg]

[thenobodies80]

The perspective is much better. But the first thing that i notice is that the map looks like a sort of puzzle, try to create more "equilibrium" in the map, "blending" the various parts.
A question, are you still using the same graphic program? Honestly i start to think that some of the graphics problems of the map are due to the limits of the program or its use.
Now it's a bit late, i'll leave more comments tomorrow

[PepeAtila]

The perspective is much better. But the first thing that i notice is that the map looks like a sort of puzzle, It is try to create more "equilibrium" in the map, "blending" the various parts I will try.
A question, are you still using the same graphic program? yes super-powerful MS-Powerpoint Honestly i start to think that some of the graphics problems of the map are due to the limits of the program or its use.
In somehow, because I do it from very elemental figures. Now it's a bit late, i'll leave more comments tomorrow thank you. also I have no lot of time now.

[bigimg]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8079/colisevm211big.png[/bigimg]

[PepeAtila]

The perspective is much better. But the first thing that i notice is that the map looks like a sort of puzzle, try to create more "equilibrium" in the map, "blending" the various parts. I will try, though I don't understand very well the fact that "the arround" become more important than "the playable zone"
A question, are you still using the same graphic program? Honestly i start to think that some of the graphics problems of the map are due to the limits of the program or its use.
Now it's a bit late, i'll leave more comments tomorrow I know perhaps is easier with some other tools however everything can be do it !!

[natty dread]

I don't understand very well the fact that "the arround" become more important than "the playable zone"

It is not exactly more important, but it is equally important in a way. You have to look at the graphics as a whole. All of it is important - all elements of the map must contribute to the theme. The playable area is most important when it comes to legibility & clarity of gameplay, but the non-playable areas are important when it comes to creating the right mood to fit the theme of the map.

[PepeAtila]

I don't understand very well the fact that "the arround" become more important than "the playable zone"

It is not exactly more important, but it is equally important in a way. You have to look at the graphics as a whole. All of it is important - all elements of the map must contribute to the theme. The playable area is most important when it comes to legibility & clarity of gameplay, but the non-playable areas are important when it comes to creating the right mood to fit the theme of the map.

yes, I know, and I am learning a lot while I am working ... really this weekend I found some "mistakes" in my super-graphical program ... that is why I cannot "exhibit" a new one. I am also trying to improve the bonus-flag ...
I have an idea about football(soccer) game ... but not yet

Thank you very much for your comments.