Michael Jackson dead

[jiminski]

I don't hate Jacko enough to really comment negatively, though he was almost irrefutably a freak i quite like odd people if they are true to themselves.. but i do not think that is the case here, here he was corrupted by the weight of expectation.

A champion for black people? surely he is the most surreal example of 'Uncle Tom' in history. The fellow made himself white; (alopecia and lupus my hairy white arse) narrowed his nose, bleached his skin and tempered his diction.

There is certainly some doubt over his abuse on children and if he did touch a little willy and sleep in the bed with lots of random children, it may have been in the persona of a child and not as a predator... But is that purity to be accepted? I never touched anyone else's willy when i was a little boy and if that is all he did, it is still a reflection of his perceptible feeling of being above and beyond the conventions of human behaviour.

This laughable concoction of talented caricature thought he was a God... and that is what i hate. Not so much him as the mindless minions who placed him thoughtlessly on his cloud.

You sycophants who forget all his sins and say: .. 'Hey show some respect he was a great dancer and will be remembered forever.. what have you ever done!?'

Don't you see you created his madness and have more responsibility for his pain and his death than the cynical showing themselves here!?

So i hate those who blindly love him, accepting his flaws as the trimmings and eccentricity of genius!

He was just a man, and as such incapable of being the flawless god which you made him through your idolatry!

[Rocketry]

You sycophants who forget all his sins

What is a sycophant, please?

Rocket.

[jiminski]

What is a sycophant, please?

Rocket.

an elephant with a head cold

[b.k. barunt]

As for his skin color, BK displays a surprising amount of ignorance. MJ had vitiligo and lupus, two skin diseases which cause blotches on your skin. Many sufferers of this disease wear make-up to hide it, as going out in public looking diseased is probably worse than looking like a weirdo. I'll concede that it was his fault his face (primarily his nose and chin) looked horrendous due to all the plastic surgery.

That's all I have to say about the guy other than his music was good.

A "surprising amount of ignorance"? Let's explore this. First of all, i made no mention of his skin color, and i would venture to say that it is ignorant on your part to assume that from my saying he tried to make himself "whiter than white". "Whiteness" in the context here, applies to a lot more than skin pigmentation. Jackson had his black hair "whitened" by straightening it to the max. Jackson had his normal black nose mutilated into a Barbie Doll fascimile. The hair and the nose are probably the two most telling physical attributes that separate a black man from a white man (yeah yeah, i'm waiting for the inevitable stereotypical reference to another body part), and that's what i was referring to.


Honibaz

[pimpdave]

What is a sycophant, please?

Rocket.

an elephant with a head cold

[Prankcall]

I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL.

WTF?! What rule not to be left alone with kids? You are a fucking weirdo

Umm he is actually right into today's society everyone knows not to be alone with kids that are not related to you.It is just the way society is now,probably has alot to do with Priest's being molesters and using the church as a way to exploit their dirty little plans.Also Mcfeedee or whatever your name is your telling me if someone was molesting your kid you would look the other way for some amount of money?! Fuking loser,must not have kids.

[the.killing.44]

No, I guess you have me there Herpes.

[PLAYER57832]

I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL.

WTF?! What rule not to be left alone with kids? You are a fucking weirdo

Umm he is actually right into today's society everyone knows not to be alone with kids that are not related to you.It is just the way society is now,probably has alot to do with Priest's being molesters and using the church as a way to exploit their dirty little plans.

Scouts, other organizations all have the policy of two adults with any child not their own. Most childcare centers have video cameras for the safety of the staff. As henious as child molestation is, I do think we are going too far in the other direction now. And I am not convinced it really makes kids any safer. We teach kids, essentially to mistrust strangers. But the reality is that the one who is likely to harm your child is someone you trust, not the stranger. Better we teach our children to trust themselves and to recognize bad situations. But, this thread is about a man who died, not policies regarding children in society.

Also Mcfeedee or whatever your name is your telling me if someone was molesting your kid you would look the other way for some amount of money?! Fuking loser,must not have kids.

EXACTLY! While wealthy people, people in power, often do pay off people who threaten them, I don't know of any parent who truly believed their child was molested and just let it slide for money.

The accusations were a combination of MJ being naive and doing things that were just stupid, not really "bad" in any real sense (like watching cartoons on his bed together .. like you probably do with your kids, except this wasn't his kids and therefore was stupid, not cute) AND some greedy individuals who saw a chance to make some nice money.

Yet, because he was a high-profile celebrity and definitely odd, folks are quick to say "he did it" .. I know he did. With no more evidence than what is put forward in tabloids. Remember, tabloids sell money by printing sensational stuff. Saying "he is innocent," is boring.

[F1fth]

As for his skin color, BK displays a surprising amount of ignorance. MJ had vitiligo and lupus, two skin diseases which cause blotches on your skin. Many sufferers of this disease wear make-up to hide it, as going out in public looking diseased is probably worse than looking like a weirdo. I'll concede that it was his fault his face (primarily his nose and chin) looked horrendous due to all the plastic surgery.

That's all I have to say about the guy other than his music was good.

A "surprising amount of ignorance"? Let's explore this. First of all, i made no mention of his skin color, and i would venture to say that it is ignorant on your part to assume that from my saying he tried to make himself "whiter than white". "Whiteness" in the context here, applies to a lot more than skin pigmentation. Jackson had his black hair "whitened" by straightening it to the max. Jackson had his normal black nose mutilated into a Barbie Doll fascimile. The hair and the nose are probably the two most telling physical attributes that separate a black man from a white man (yeah yeah, i'm waiting for the inevitable stereotypical reference to another body part), and that's what i was referring to.


Honibaz

Well, I believe it was a reasonable assumption that I made, but I apologize for misunderstanding. Like I said, I was surprised that you seemed to be implying something shallow when I know you are not shallow.

And Jim, I agree. He is no champion, as the impact he had on social standards could hardly be credited to him; all he did was make songs that lots of different people liked so much they didn't care what color he was, and I'm sure it wasn't his intention that what happened happened. He was just a weird guy who made some good tunes. I appreciate those good tunes. That is all.

[b.k. barunt]

Hey i liked Alice Cooper's tunes, but i wouldn't jump to his defence if someone called him a sick f*ck. Part of what made him a sick f*ck made him a great artist, and vice versa. Jackson was a great performer - not a great person.


Honibaz

[jay_a2j]

He gave them 20 million. To Michael Jackson, a very small amount to make it go away. It is obvious to anyone with eyes to see that Jackson was a person who at times acted childish, for whatever reason, but perhaps lacking his own childhood himself being thrust into fame at such a young age coupled with an abusive father. I also believe the charges are trumped up. A way to earn a quick buck for the parents. In a career that spanned over 30 years, only 2 kids come forward with this charge? Come on, if the allegations were true there would most likely be many more people coming forward with similar charges. After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own, most pedophiles (as you can see by repeat offenders after they get out of jail) do it again. I think it's all hogwash and will not let such unfounded accusations tarnish MY views of the man's outstanding career and unmatched talent. He was acquitted, is that not what our justice system is for? The stress of having so many people believe that you are some kind of deranged child molester, leading you to use presciption drugs just to be able to cope is a terrible thing that might have led to his untimely death. I hope none of you MJ bashers will ever have to live through what he had to.


Now, beat it!

[Skittles!]

He gave them 20 million. To Michael Jackson, a very small amount to make it go away. It is obvious to anyone with eyes to see that Jackson was a person who at times acted childish, for whatever reason, but perhaps lacking his own childhood himself being thrust into fame at such a young age coupled with an abusive father. I also believe the charges are trumped up. A way to earn a quick buck for the parents. In a career that spanned over 30 years, only 2 kids come forward with this charge? Come on, if the allegations were true there would most likely be many more people coming forward with similar charges. After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own, most pedophiles (as you can see by repeat offenders after they get out of jail) do it again. I think it's all hogwash and will not let such unfounded accusations tarnish MY views of the man's outstanding career and unmatched talent. He was acquitted, is that not what our justice system is for? The stress of having so many people believe that you are some kind of deranged child molester, leading you to use presciption drugs just to be able to cope is a terrible thing that might have led to his untimely death. I hope none of you MJ bashers will ever have to live through what he had to.


Now, beat it!

A big fat QFT. Good work Jay.
It's also in the news (I believe, I haven't actually seen an article about it) that Jordan Chandler admitted he was lying about the child molestation.

[MeDeFe]

He gave them 20 million. To Michael Jackson, a very small amount to make it go away. It is obvious to anyone with eyes to see that Jackson was a person who at times acted childish, for whatever reason, but perhaps lacking his own childhood himself being thrust into fame at such a young age coupled with an abusive father. I also believe the charges are trumped up. A way to earn a quick buck for the parents. In a career that spanned over 30 years, only 2 kids come forward with this charge? Come on, if the allegations were true there would most likely be many more people coming forward with similar charges. After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own, most pedophiles (as you can see by repeat offenders after they get out of jail) do it again. I think it's all hogwash and will not let such unfounded accusations tarnish MY views of the man's outstanding career and unmatched talent. He was acquitted, is that not what our justice system is for? The stress of having so many people believe that you are some kind of deranged child molester, leading you to use presciption drugs just to be able to cope is a terrible thing that might have led to his untimely death. I hope none of you MJ bashers will ever have to live through what he had to.


Now, beat it!

Ooh, the manifold meanings of the last sentence. In the spirit of Mont Python: How shall we beat it?

[oVo]

MJ was taken to court once and aquited of all 17 charges filed against him. After that media circus of a trial was over the same family filed a civil suit and that one was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount of money.

[gordon1975]

news just in!the coroner doesn't no if he should blame it on the sunshine or the moonlight or the good times,but probably the the cause of death was the BOOGY !

[AAFitz]

He gave them 20 million. To Michael Jackson, a very small amount to make it go away. It is obvious to anyone with eyes to see that Jackson was a person who at times acted childish, for whatever reason, but perhaps lacking his own childhood himself being thrust into fame at such a young age coupled with an abusive father. I also believe the charges are trumped up. A way to earn a quick buck for the parents. In a career that spanned over 30 years, only 2 kids come forward with this charge? Come on, if the allegations were true there would most likely be many more people coming forward with similar charges. After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own, most pedophiles (as you can see by repeat offenders after they get out of jail) do it again. I think it's all hogwash and will not let such unfounded accusations tarnish MY views of the man's outstanding career and unmatched talent. He was acquitted, is that not what our justice system is for? The stress of having so many people believe that you are some kind of deranged child molester, leading you to use presciption drugs just to be able to cope is a terrible thing that might have led to his untimely death. I hope none of you MJ bashers will ever have to live through what he had to.


Now, beat it!

Yeah, OJ was aquited too. The justice system is perfect. And..."After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own" Before this HE DID have children in his bedroom. You are so easy to discount it is some lost childhood, but he was still adult capable of making decisions, and should have realized this to be some kind of sickness, and had plenty of resources to get therapy to deal with...his trauma of not having a childhood....a trauma that countless children have....like the millions that go to work when they are 5 or 6 in third world countries. Are they now allowed a free pass to sleep with some other persons kids?

Most non-pedophiles dont have children, even their own most of the time sleep in their beds with them. To suggest he was messed up enough to want this, and to suggest those kids didnt suffer some other abuse, because others didnt claim he did is ridiculous. And I hope no kids have to live through what MJ may have put those kids through. Whatever else happened, they will grow up remembering some strange guy asking them to sleep in his bed, in some kind of sick effort to do God knows what and for God knows what motivation. I hope no kids have to live through what MJ may have put those kids through. Unfortunately, that is not the case, because kids will continue to be victimized. Its horrifying you are so quick to defend him, because he made a few songs. I think the people that are able to discount this so readily are living in neverland themselves.

Child abuse used to go unpunished for many years, because it was never brought into the light. Priests were thought to be incapable. Upstanding citizens were thought to be incapable. Unfortunately at times the cases are a witch hunt because of their nature, but thank God, these situations are now able to be brought into the light of day, and hopefully at least some children have been saved from abuse.

I do agree that bashing the guy is in bad taste, except that it may very well serve the purpose of sending a message to all other would be pedophiles, that NO ONE gets away with it. We dont care how much money you have, what you can sing, or how many gloves you wear.

As far as the honest jokes go, well, I just say lighten up. All celebrities get their jokes. The sense of humor is what helps some get through such things...if you cant handle that...well...

Get a sense of humor.

[Pedronicus]

If MJ had such a bad childhood experience, then why did he decide to add three new people to the planet and put them through an even worse childhood?
Going out being draped in a blanket, wearing a veil or a mask. Going shopping at midnight to an empty shop.
Then to help aid their anonymity lets name them Prince Michael I or even more creatively Prince Michael II

And why the f*ck are people suddenly buying his records or downloading them?
If you were / are a fan you should already own these tunes.
It's not as if they are going to disappear from shops now he's pushing up daisies. People are weird.

[King_Herpes]

f u mj, f u in the a

[PLAYER57832]

Hey i liked Alice Cooper's tunes, but i wouldn't jump to his defence if someone called him a sick f*ck. Part of what made him a sick f*ck made him a great artist, and vice versa. Jackson was a great performer - not a great person.


Honibaz

I would not call him a "great" person on a personnal level, but he was not a terrible person, either.

Why can't we just celebrate what he did and accept that he was less than perfect in other ways. (and no.. I would not say that if I truly believed he were a molester, but I don't.)

[jay_a2j]

He gave them 20 million. To Michael Jackson, a very small amount to make it go away. It is obvious to anyone with eyes to see that Jackson was a person who at times acted childish, for whatever reason, but perhaps lacking his own childhood himself being thrust into fame at such a young age coupled with an abusive father. I also believe the charges are trumped up. A way to earn a quick buck for the parents. In a career that spanned over 30 years, only 2 kids come forward with this charge? Come on, if the allegations were true there would most likely be many more people coming forward with similar charges. After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own, most pedophiles (as you can see by repeat offenders after they get out of jail) do it again. I think it's all hogwash and will not let such unfounded accusations tarnish MY views of the man's outstanding career and unmatched talent. He was acquitted, is that not what our justice system is for? The stress of having so many people believe that you are some kind of deranged child molester, leading you to use presciption drugs just to be able to cope is a terrible thing that might have led to his untimely death. I hope none of you MJ bashers will ever have to live through what he had to.


Now, beat it!

Yeah, OJ was aquited too. The justice system is perfect. And..."After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own" Before this HE DID have children in his bedroom. You are so easy to discount it is some lost childhood, but he was still adult capable of making decisions, and should have realized this to be some kind of sickness, and had plenty of resources to get therapy to deal with...his trauma of not having a childhood....a trauma that countless children have....like the millions that go to work when they are 5 or 6 in third world countries. Are they now allowed a free pass to sleep with some other persons kids?

Most non-pedophiles dont have children, even their own most of the time sleep in their beds with them. To suggest he was messed up enough to want this, and to suggest those kids didnt suffer some other abuse, because others didnt claim he did is ridiculous. And I hope no kids have to live through what MJ may have put those kids through. Whatever else happened, they will grow up remembering some strange guy asking them to sleep in his bed, in some kind of sick effort to do God knows what and for God knows what motivation. I hope no kids have to live through what MJ may have put those kids through. Unfortunately, that is not the case, because kids will continue to be victimized. Its horrifying you are so quick to defend him, because he made a few songs. I think the people that are able to discount this so readily are living in neverland themselves.

Child abuse used to go unpunished for many years, because it was never brought into the light. Priests were thought to be incapable. Upstanding citizens were thought to be incapable. Unfortunately at times the cases are a witch hunt because of their nature, but thank God, these situations are now able to be brought into the light of day, and hopefully at least some children have been saved from abuse.

I do agree that bashing the guy is in bad taste, except that it may very well serve the purpose of sending a message to all other would be pedophiles, that NO ONE gets away with it. We dont care how much money you have, what you can sing, or how many gloves you wear.

As far as the honest jokes go, well, I just say lighten up. All celebrities get their jokes. The sense of humor is what helps some get through such things...if you cant handle that...well...

Get a sense of humor.

Nothing in you post is fact. As a matter of fact a jury of 12 contradict your view. But you are welcome to believe whatever you want. There is very little evidence of the charges. Yes, the circumstances that Jackson put himself in are indeed odd but not criminal. And I agree with a former poster, if someone abuses your child, if you are any parent worthy of being a parent you DON'T take money if someone hurts your child and if you do you don't deserve to be a parent.


If he is guilty of such things, let God handle it. Just enjoy the gift of music he brought to the world. The man is gone. Let him rest is peace.

[PLAYER57832]

He gave them 20 million. To Michael Jackson, a very small amount to make it go away. It is obvious to anyone with eyes to see that Jackson was a person who at times acted childish, for whatever reason, but perhaps lacking his own childhood himself being thrust into fame at such a young age coupled with an abusive father. I also believe the charges are trumped up. A way to earn a quick buck for the parents. In a career that spanned over 30 years, only 2 kids come forward with this charge? Come on, if the allegations were true there would most likely be many more people coming forward with similar charges. After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own, most pedophiles (as you can see by repeat offenders after they get out of jail) do it again. I think it's all hogwash and will not let such unfounded accusations tarnish MY views of the man's outstanding career and unmatched talent. He was acquitted, is that not what our justice system is for? The stress of having so many people believe that you are some kind of deranged child molester, leading you to use presciption drugs just to be able to cope is a terrible thing that might have led to his untimely death. I hope none of you MJ bashers will ever have to live through what he had to.


Now, beat it!

Yeah, OJ was aquited too. The justice system is perfect. And..."After the 2005 trail, Jackson got the message, and at no time had children in his bedroom outside of his own" Before this HE DID have children in his bedroom. You are so easy to discount it is some lost childhood, but he was still adult capable of making decisions, and should have realized this to be some kind of sickness, and had plenty of resources to get therapy to deal with...his trauma of not having a childhood....a trauma that countless children have....like the millions that go to work when they are 5 or 6 in third world countries. Are they now allowed a free pass to sleep with some other persons kids?

Most non-pedophiles dont have children, even their own most of the time sleep in their beds with them. To suggest he was messed up enough to want this, and to suggest those kids didnt suffer some other abuse, because others didnt claim he did is ridiculous. And I hope no kids have to live through what MJ may have put those kids through. Whatever else happened, they will grow up remembering some strange guy asking them to sleep in his bed, in some kind of sick effort to do God knows what and for God knows what motivation. I hope no kids have to live through what MJ may have put those kids through. Unfortunately, that is not the case, because kids will continue to be victimized. Its horrifying you are so quick to defend him, because he made a few songs. I think the people that are able to discount this so readily are living in neverland themselves.

Child abuse used to go unpunished for many years, because it was never brought into the light. Priests were thought to be incapable. Upstanding citizens were thought to be incapable. Unfortunately at times the cases are a witch hunt because of their nature, but thank God, these situations are now able to be brought into the light of day, and hopefully at least some children have been saved from abuse.

I do agree that bashing the guy is in bad taste, except that it may very well serve the purpose of sending a message to all other would be pedophiles, that NO ONE gets away with it. We dont care how much money you have, what you can sing, or how many gloves you wear.

As far as the honest jokes go, well, I just say lighten up. All celebrities get their jokes. The sense of humor is what helps some get through such things...if you cant handle that...well...

Get a sense of humor.

Nothing in you post is fact. As a matter of fact a jury of 12 contradict your view. But you are welcome to believe whatever you want. There is very little evidence of the charges. Yes, the circumstances that Jackson put himself in are indeed odd but not criminal. And I agree with a former poster, if someone abuses your child, if you are any parent worthy of being a parent you DON'T take money if someone hurts your child and if you do you don't deserve to be a parent.


If he is guilty of such things, let God handle it. Just enjoy the gift of music he brought to the world. The man is gone. Let him rest is peace.

Fitz, the families of the boys involved were known to be less than honest. One of the former accusers has since recanted.

Child abuse is a serious crime and something to definitely be taken seriously, but false accusations are in many ways worse. I have seen more lives ruined by FALSE accusations than by true abuse, though let me qualify that by saying that I cannot possibly know much about more than a few true abuse cases, even within my own communities.

The fact that many abusers go unpunished for years and Michael Jackson's situation are very different in many ways. Among other things, Michael Jackson hardly had a private moment, even in the "privacy" of his own home. He was around MANY kids who had no real reason to protect him, unlike in most situations where the child knows the perpetrator and the perpetrator is in a position of real, personnal trust. Yes, kids idolized Michael J., He had many impacts, but it is a different, more superficial thing than a priest and so forth.

Also, Fitz, though I don't really want to get into it in this thread, while I realize a lot of things you are saying and thinking have to do with honest desires to protect kids, the truth is that much of what people think about abuse is just wrong and even puts our kids in more harm, not less. But.. this thread is about Michael Jackson.

As Jay said, let's take time to celebrate the many things he did.

[PLAYER57832]

Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!

How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer.

I guess I did not make myself clear enough here. Michael Jackson is not an example for blacks. Not at all. Michael Jackson was a model in entertainment for people of ALL races. And that is the whole point.

It is ironic. The same universality that allowed him to appeal to ALL is now being criticized as "not being black enough". Yet, has he acted as a stereotypical black, he would not have been the face that so many whites saw, that allowed many whites to get a glimpse of a real, intelligent black person and bring them from just an esoteric knowledge that blacks are people just like whites, to the idea that well, maybe if my child brings home a black friend its not so bad.

I realize all of that sounds, by today's light very prejudicial and objectionable. However, that is the very point I am making. The world HAS changed. A small part of that was due to Michael Jackson.

That's not even touching on how he directly influenced the music industry.. not just the music, but the way artists are treated, the way things are marketed, etc.

He was strange, no doubt. He had many, many problems. But, who wouldn't given the circumstances. He had not only the burdens of any child star in the seventies, but also add in that racism was still very much a part of American life in ways that many of generations since just don't really understand and the rest of us try not to remember.

[jiminski]

Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!

How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer.

I guess I did not make myself clear enough here. Michael Jackson is not an example for blacks. Not at all. Michael Jackson was a model in entertainment for people of ALL races. And that is the whole point.

It is ironic. The same universality that allowed him to appeal to ALL is now being criticized as "not being black enough". Yet, has he acted as a stereotypical black, he would not have been the face that so many whites saw, that allowed many whites to get a glimpse of a real, intelligent black person and bring them from just an esoteric knowledge that blacks are people just like whites, to the idea that well, maybe if my child brings home a black friend its not so bad.

I realize all of that sounds, by today's light very prejudicial and objectionable. However, that is the very point I am making. The world HAS changed. A small part of that was due to Michael Jackson.

That's not even touching on how he directly influenced the music industry.. not just the music, but the way artists are treated, the way things are marketed, etc.

He was strange, no doubt. He had many, many problems. But, who wouldn't given the circumstances. He had not only the burdens of any child star in the seventies, but also add in that racism was still very much a part of American life in ways that many of generations since just don't really understand and the rest of us try not to remember.

good lord

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

im waiting for the cover up story and how they will hide the fact that they found him dead with a couple of little boys and drugs.

[oVo]