Conquer Club

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:I'm half asleep, but figured I would throw this out there to discuss. Mafia most likely would've gone for the "claimed doc" and obviously they have a janitor based off of the coverup. If what is being said is true concerning that character's inability to really protect and he was an insane doctor, it may be possible that animo inadvertently killed our other claimed townie. I'm unsure why the second death would've been covered up unless the mod decided that the janitor was cleaning up both bodies in the same place.

Perhaps, or one of them could've been a hider. I agree that the idea that a janitor can clean up more than one body is slightly distressing.

Hologram wrote:

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:I'm half asleep, but figured I would throw this out there to discuss. Mafia most likely would've gone for the "claimed doc" and obviously they have a janitor based off of the coverup. If what is being said is true concerning that character's inability to really protect and he was an insane doctor, it may be possible that animo inadvertently killed our other claimed townie. I'm unsure why the second death would've been covered up unless the mod decided that the janitor was cleaning up both bodies in the same place.

Perhaps, or one of them could've been a hider. I agree that the idea that a janitor can clean up more than one body is slightly distressing.

EBWOP

My thought behind one of them being a hider is that by hiding behind a person killed by the Mafia, not only would they have died but would also have been cleaned up by the janitor too. It's a bit of a stretch, I know, but we don't have a lot to go on to make sense of the two cleaned up bodies.

is it possible... that there are 2 mafia factions, each with their own janitor?

mr. incrediball wrote:is it possible... that there are 2 mafia factions, each with their own janitor?

It could be. We certainly have enough people. If anyone knows more about the books, could they shed some light?

A setting with 2 janitors makes it really hard for the town, as it gives us little to help us.

At any case we should definitely lynch today and not have another NL.

Conclusions so far:

1) Scum has a janitor.
2) I don't believe that there are two scum fractions. In a 15 player game two scum groups would be a little unbalanced in my opinion. So the probability is very low in my opinion.
3) Ani should be the sane townie doctor. If we had had another townie doctor, he would have most probably protected ani. Another reason is that ani was chosen as target. (doctors and cops are priority 1 targets for scum and SK).
4) I believe that ace told also the truth, because he is dead.
5) My only unanswered question is why we couldn't get info about at least one of the dead bodies. If one of them had been targeted by a SK, we would have known the identity of that one.

Now I will speculate a bit:

There was only one target last night who was ani! Ace is killed in parallel, because ani and ace were lovers. The Trilogy supports this assumption, because they were husband and wife in the real storyline. Why do I believe that ani was targeted, but not ace? Because normally ani would have protected ace as first choice without knowing anything significant about other characters and ace having claimed already. So even if we think for a while that there was a second scum fraction or a SK, they would not have been able to kill ace. That the role of ace is also not revealed, supports my idea.

We are in a pretty bad situation, as we have had few leads only. I haven't played with Holo so far, but he has been pretty suspicious so far. He was third of AD bandwagon on day 1 and later also joined as second ani bandwagon. I'm also not satisfied with his argumentations today. On the other hand Halo has already 4 votes and we must avoid a quick lynch.
We need to discuss more.

Cena > Will Flores contribute more? Otherwise you should replace her.

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yes I think I will give her a final prod and then replace

also with your suspicions just remember you guys have a mod who is fucked up in the brain

Selin's right, we really don't have any good leads, except the one against me, and we need to lynch. I know you're all looking for a claim from me, but it's just not time right now. If you must lynch me, do so, because I honestly don't think I can ever convince you of anything other than my being scum.

And since I don't want to get lynched, I'm going to suggest we look at some of the actions of the inactives that we have now and see if they're incriminating at all. I'll do so later tonight, but as for now I must leave to go somewhere.

Okay, I lied, I'll stick around and give a cursory glance, but then I'm gone.


First of all, I was only the second vote on AD the first day. Hardly scummy, of course, throw in my FOS and vote on Day 2, it looks less innocent, but it's not extremely incriminating.

Stroop, as dunc brought up, was the fourth person to random vote AD the first day, and then tried to backpedal when dunc called him on it. That seems a bit strange to me.

Then there was the AD business, which I believe we have cleared up.


So in conclusion, there's the general consensus that I may be scum, and there have been on and off suspicion of Stroop's scuminess. I obviously don't want to get lynched, but I want to hear everyone else's thoughts.

im so sorry cena, i thought i could have the time and energy for play this but obviously i was wrong, please replace me

A doc/lover? That would be so freaking retarded... and possible

Hologram wrote: If you must lynch me, do so, because I honestly don't think I can ever convince you of anything other than my being scum.

Great. Let's go ahead and lynch your scummy ass then.

All right guys I have a head cold today, so bear with me if anything I say doesn't make sense...

Selin wrote:There was only one target last night who was ani! Ace is killed in parallel, because ani and ace were lovers. The Trilogy supports this assumption, because they were husband and wife in the real storyline. Why do I believe that ani was targeted, but not ace? Because normally ani would have protected ace as first choice without knowing anything significant about other characters and ace having claimed already. So even if we think for a while that there was a second scum fraction or a SK, they would not have been able to kill ace. That the role of ace is also not revealed, supports my idea.

At first I thought this was a fine explanation. But with lovers, isn't the idea that one commits suicide after the other dies? So why would both bodies end up getting cleaned up? The idea of a hider makes sense, but would ace really be dumb enough to hide behind ani???
I'll put more thought into why they both got cleaned up, 'cause it's beyond me right now.

Also, have we heard from AD yet today? He was really vocal on day one, but I haven't heard much from him recently.

cena-rules wrote:...

also with your suspicions just remember you guys have a mod who is fucked up in the brain

What are you trying to indicate with your sentence?

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ga7 wrote:A doc/lover? That would be so freaking retarded...

You are right, but I couldn't find any other possibility that sounds me more logical than this one. Theories "two scum groups" or "hider" are in my opinion not more probable. I have to state also that I was a little influenced by the real storyline after reading it in internet. Anyway, I don't have a better idea as of now.

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Hologram wrote:Okay, I lied, I'll stick around and give a cursory glance, but then I'm gone.

What do you mean when saying "I lied"?

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Anarkistsdream wrote:Unvote

We really have been missing a lot of talking from a lot of people...

1) Nark
2) Selin
3) Hologram
4) dunc
5) nag
6) kwan
7) brown
mib
9) ga7
10) Flores
11) Josh
12) Talapus
13) Stroop

I am surprised that Kwan, Nagerous, Flores, Talapus, and Mr. Incrediball have posted so little.

Me? Surprised? Why?

Selin wrote:Conclusions so far:

1) Scum has a janitor.
2) I don't believe that there are two scum fractions. In a 15 player game two scum groups would be a little unbalanced in my opinion. So the probability is very low in my opinion.
3) Ani should be the sane townie doctor. If we had had another townie doctor, he would have most probably protected ani. Another reason is that ani was chosen as target. (doctors and cops are priority 1 targets for scum and SK).
4) I believe that ace told also the truth, because he is dead.
5) My only unanswered question is why we couldn't get info about at least one of the dead bodies. If one of them had been targeted by a SK, we would have known the identity of that one.

Now I will speculate a bit:

There was only one target last night who was ani! Ace is killed in parallel, because ani and ace were lovers. The Trilogy supports this assumption, because they were husband and wife in the real storyline. Why do I believe that ani was targeted, but not ace? Because normally ani would have protected ace as first choice without knowing anything significant about other characters and ace having claimed already. So even if we think for a while that there was a second scum fraction or a SK, they would not have been able to kill ace. That the role of ace is also not revealed, supports my idea.

We are in a pretty bad situation, as we have had few leads only. I haven't played with Holo so far, but he has been pretty suspicious so far. He was third of AD bandwagon on day 1 and later also joined as second ani bandwagon. I'm also not satisfied with his argumentations today. On the other hand Halo has already 4 votes and we must avoid a quick lynch.
We need to discuss more.

Cena > Will Flores contribute more? Otherwise you should replace her.

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A lover would kill himself the night after his partner gets killed, not the same night, right?

I think that there's a mafia hitman. Ani protects ace, hitman kills ace, ani gets nightkilled. They're both in the same place, because ani is protecting, so the janitor cleans both bodies up.

Pretty good assumption, Stroop.

Stroop wrote:A lover would kill himself the night after his partner gets killed, not the same night, right?

I think that there's a mafia hitman. Ani protects ace, hitman kills ace, ani gets nightkilled. They're both in the same place, because ani is protecting, so the janitor cleans both bodies up.

Hitman cannot kill ace, if he is protected. And if he is not protected by ani, they cannot be in the same place.

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Selin wrote:

Stroop wrote:A lover would kill himself the night after his partner gets killed, not the same night, right?

I think that there's a mafia hitman. Ani protects ace, hitman kills ace, ani gets nightkilled. They're both in the same place, because ani is protecting, so the janitor cleans both bodies up.

Hitman cannot kill ace, if he is protected. And if he is not protected by ani, they cannot be in the same place.

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Well, maybe Ace was doing something to Ani...

We still don't know what his role was. Maybe he was investigating him, tracking him, etc...

Selin wrote:

Stroop wrote:A lover would kill himself the night after his partner gets killed, not the same night, right?

I think that there's a mafia hitman. Ani protects ace, hitman kills ace, ani gets nightkilled. They're both in the same place, because ani is protecting, so the janitor cleans both bodies up.

Hitman cannot kill ace, if he is protected. And if he is not protected by ani, they cannot be in the same place.

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The whole point of a hitman is that his kills are unaffected by doctor protection, and also roleblocking, if I'm not mistaken...

Stroop wrote:

Selin wrote:

Stroop wrote:A lover would kill himself the night after his partner gets killed, not the same night, right?

I think that there's a mafia hitman. Ani protects ace, hitman kills ace, ani gets nightkilled. They're both in the same place, because ani is protecting, so the janitor cleans both bodies up.

Hitman cannot kill ace, if he is protected. And if he is not protected by ani, they cannot be in the same place.

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The whole point of a hitman is that his kills are unaffected by doctor protection, and also roleblocking, if I'm not mistaken...

Ahhh...

Burn.



Selin, you never make mistakes in this game... Quit it!!!!

Selin wrote:

Hologram wrote:Okay, I lied, I'll stick around and give a cursory glance, but then I'm gone.

What do you mean when saying "I lied"?

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I said I was going to leave and come back later to read the day one dialogue, but right after I posted that, I decided to do a brief lookover and then leave.

Hologram wrote:

Selin wrote:

Hologram wrote:Okay, I lied, I'll stick around and give a cursory glance, but then I'm gone.

What do you mean when saying "I lied"?

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I said I was going to leave and come back later to read the day one dialogue, but right after I posted that, I decided to do a brief lookover and then leave.

Selin's overly paranoid... That's what makes him so good at this!

Anarkistsdream wrote:

Hologram wrote:

Selin wrote:

Hologram wrote:Okay, I lied, I'll stick around and give a cursory glance, but then I'm gone.

What do you mean when saying "I lied"?

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I said I was going to leave and come back later to read the day one dialogue, but right after I posted that, I decided to do a brief lookover and then leave.

Selin's overly paranoid... That's what makes him so good at this!

I can tell.