Conquer Club

Fircoal wrote:

DirtyDishSoap wrote:I typically don't like day 1 lynches because of that fact of little to no info, you're more likely to lynch a townie then scum. Different games though, mine are typically done in a speed fashion, done in hour practically. So new set up for me.

The problem is then what do we have to go on on Day 2. Not to mention that we waste one of the town's useful tools.

I can't agree or disagree with you because this sort of slow pacing is something I'm not accustomed to. Your modus operandi is going to differ from mine.

Here's how I've looked at it in the other games I've played.
You vote on D1 with little to no information, and hope you get lucky. Worse case scenario's, the ones that are inno are going to have to role reveal so they don't get lynched, which is generally bad as some roles are more crucial than others (Painting a target on your back, basically), or people bandwagon and jump the gun and now you're down one more townie. Since we have 12 players in this game, I'm assuming there's 3-4 mafia (and no neutral roles?). So there's 1/4 chance that you'll get scum, and this is all assuming everything goes perfectly. Usually doesn't, so instead we're down 2 townies, probably 2 roles we could have really used to discern who is what.

To me, the no lynch and letting people utilize their roles is more of a powerful tool than the lynch. It's too much of a double edged sword to where if the town messes up on D1 incredibly hard, it handily gives mafia the win. At least on D2, we can go off of what information people have gathered, and start discerning who is BSing, and who isn't.

But again, this is a slower paced game, not my forte, so I'm not going to press the issue anymore than I already have.

@ DDS I understand whatyou are saying,you are used to playing a faster game. But we might get get one scum,if we don't try then they have advantage, remember they know each other ,we don't. Maybe you and Samlen are mafia buddies since you both seem to want the same thing.

Samlen wrote:I'm often fine with a no-lynch day 1 since we have the least amount of info, and, in games we know the mafia/town ratio I remember reading about it being advantageous for town to go into the night with either an odd or even amount (Meaning that no lynching could, statistically be better.

Matter of opinion. What he feels vs how I feel or play is coincidental. Merely explaining the speed nature behind the games I'm use to where you roughly have 2 minutes to decide on D1 who is who.

But to counter your argument, we also might get a fellow town. Do the pro's outweigh the cons if we, say, lynch a detective role by accident alone?

I rushed the vote count a bit. Please let me know if you notice any mistakes:

Vote Count

Dakky (1)-skoffin
Nag (1)-Sam
Mitch (1) Tim
Mets
Legion (3)-Chu-pacabra, Rage, Mets
Rage
DirtyDishsoap (1)-Nag
Chu
Tim
Skoffin
Djfireside
Samlen (1) Dakky

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline set for tonight

madmitch wrote:@ DDS I understand whatyou are saying,you are used to playing a faster game. But we might get get one scum,if we don't try then they have advantage, remember they know each other ,we don't. Maybe you and Samlen are mafia buddies since you both seem to want the same thing.

I've often done no-lynch in a lot of these crazy forum games too, it is simply a viable tactic to let town roles collect more info without accidentally killing one. I haven't made notes of this here yet since it seemed much more normal to try and scumhunt until someone slips on day 1 (plus some scumhunting is always good on day 1 regardless if someone is lynched or not.)

Normally I would object the idea of a no lynch mainly because it stops people from building cases. I didnt pick much up this round and time is winding down so I think we are just fated to it but with it being a unbalanced game the night phase should be interesting so hoepfully our indecision pays off.

vote legion I don't like the day ending in a non vote situation, maybe if we get enough votes on him he might tell us who he is then we can decide if he is lying or being truthful but at least we may have a clue going into day two

madmitch wrote:vote legion I don't like the day ending in a non vote situation, maybe if we get enough votes on him he might tell us who he is then we can decide if he is lying or being truthful but at least we may have a clue going into day two

Well the deadline is tonight so kinda pointless either way, I have 4 votes on me compared to a spread of ones, so even if everyone was online and reading, convincing those who are wrongly on my case to change their vote would take too long. So essentially you just cast the hammer vote on me and through out an easy vote to make yourself look better.
At the end of today Town will be down 1 and scum will be so much closer to winning, well done everyone.
As for the DDS and the voting no-lynch, I wholeheartedly agree.

vote No Lynch

legionnare wrote:

madmitch wrote:vote legion I don't like the day ending in a non vote situation, maybe if we get enough votes on him he might tell us who he is then we can decide if he is lying or being truthful but at least we may have a clue going into day two

Well the deadline is tonight so kinda pointless either way, I have 4 votes on me compared to a spread of ones, so even if everyone was online and reading, convincing those who are wrongly on my case to change their vote would take too long. So essentially you just cast the hammer vote on me and through out an easy vote to make yourself look better.
At the end of today Town will be down 1 and scum will be so much closer to winning, well done everyone.
As for the DDS and the voting no-lynch, I wholeheartedly agree.

vote No Lynch

Huh? The majority for lynch is 7. You're still three votes down. If nothing happens by tonight, presumably there's no lynch.

Metsfanmax wrote:

legionnare wrote:

madmitch wrote:vote legion I don't like the day ending in a non vote situation, maybe if we get enough votes on him he might tell us who he is then we can decide if he is lying or being truthful but at least we may have a clue going into day two

Well the deadline is tonight so kinda pointless either way, I have 4 votes on me compared to a spread of ones, so even if everyone was online and reading, convincing those who are wrongly on my case to change their vote would take too long. So essentially you just cast the hammer vote on me and through out an easy vote to make yourself look better.
At the end of today Town will be down 1 and scum will be so much closer to winning, well done everyone.
As for the DDS and the voting no-lynch, I wholeheartedly agree.

vote No Lynch

Huh? The majority for lynch is 7. You're still three votes down. If nothing happens by tonight, presumably there's no lynch.

Ah, I mis-remembered, I thought it was whoever had most votes at day end gets lynched if there is no majority, but you're right it will be a no lynch end to the day if there is no majority.

unvote vote legion as mitch said lych better then none. last time i suggested no lynch it failed so im gonna help to push fr a vote today

TimWoodbury wrote:unvote vote legion as mitch said lych better then none. last time i suggested no lynch it failed so im gonna help to push fr a vote today

So you are voting me purely so there is a lynch rather than actually providing a legit reason?

legionnare wrote:

TimWoodbury wrote:unvote vote legion as mitch said lych better then none. last time i suggested no lynch it failed so im gonna help to push fr a vote today

So you are voting me purely so there is a lynch rather than actually providing a legit reason?

You have to understand Tim and mitch... the reason they're playing mafia is ... to be here. They just want to be here and post once (crap) in a while... and most of the time it is complete bullshit or copying someone else's reasons... so no, Tim voted you for the reason of.... voting you. There's no reason except what's already been told and you'll never get a new thinking or something from them. Might be a lifesaver or a hammer. You never know what will happen when they're in the game, and they're always in the game. If I was going to host a game, I'd forbid them to enter.

dakky21 wrote:

legionnare wrote:

TimWoodbury wrote:unvote vote legion as mitch said lych better then none. last time i suggested no lynch it failed so im gonna help to push fr a vote today

So you are voting me purely so there is a lynch rather than actually providing a legit reason?

You have to understand Tim and mitch... the reason they're playing mafia is ... to be here. They just want to be here and post once (crap) in a while... and most of the time it is complete bullshit or copying someone else's reasons... so no, Tim voted you for the reason of.... voting you. There's no reason except what's already been told and you'll never get a new thinking or something from them. Might be a lifesaver or a hammer. You never know what will happen when they're in the game, and they're always in the game. If I was going to host a game, I'd forbid them to enter.

So are you advocating a no lynch then? Because if we don't get more people on board right now, that's what is going to happen.

I think he's just explaining his utter disdain for Tim and Mitch.

A little over 2 hours from lynch. I believe Legion is at L-2

legionnare wrote:

madmitch wrote:vote legion I don't like the day ending in a non vote situation, maybe if we get enough votes on him he might tell us who he is then we can decide if he is lying or being truthful but at least we may have a clue going into day two

Well the deadline is tonight so kinda pointless either way, I have 4 votes on me compared to a spread of ones, so even if everyone was online and reading, convincing those who are wrongly on my case to change their vote would take too long. So essentially you just cast the hammer vote on me and through out an easy vote to make yourself look better.
At the end of today Town will be down 1 and scum will be so much closer to winning, well done everyone.
As for the DDS and the voting no-lynch, I wholeheartedly agree.

vote No Lynch

If you think you might be lynched do you have any defense besides a generic "thanks for lynching a town member" defense? Because this feels pretty weak and uninspired for someone who's on the chopping block.

dakky21 wrote:

legionnare wrote:

TimWoodbury wrote:unvote vote legion as mitch said lych better then none. last time i suggested no lynch it failed so im gonna help to push fr a vote today

So you are voting me purely so there is a lynch rather than actually providing a legit reason?

You have to understand Tim and mitch... the reason they're playing mafia is ... to be here. They just want to be here and post once (crap) in a while... and most of the time it is complete bullshit or copying someone else's reasons... so no, Tim voted you for the reason of.... voting you. There's no reason except what's already been told and you'll never get a new thinking or something from them. Might be a lifesaver or a hammer. You never know what will happen when they're in the game, and they're always in the game. If I was going to host a game, I'd forbid them to enter.

I think you're thinking too lowly of them. They will have reasons for the things that they do even if it may be simple ones or ones that don't make much sense to us. You can't just write them off like that, no matter what the output is.

Vote Count

Dakky (1)-skoffin
Nag (1)-Sam
Mitch
Mets
Legion (5)-Chu-pacabra, Rage, Mets, Mitch, Tim
Rage
DirtyDishsoap (1)-Nag
Chu
Tim
Skoffin
Djfireside
Samlen (1) Dakky
No Lynch (1) Legion

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

No one has been lynched

Night 1

As the day progressed, some people called into the police saying that their furniture was floating away or a raccoon in their backyard appeared to be building a spaceship. However most were out partying with friends as a few snuck in the crowd with them. As it went on, a few people got bumped into. Some were forgiven and some weren't. Legion wasn't very popular as he got bumped the most but at the end of the day, it reached a quiet pitch and everyone tried to get to sleep (with mixed results) and ponder what they will do next.

As certain people went out independently to do their own things, the group from earlier who did not like this new chaotic world gathered in the basement below an old bowling alley where a man was yelling at someone named Smokey about going over the line. They had their own nefarious purposes, now they just had to find a way to hear each other over the thunderous clacks above.

End Day 1

Night 1 starts. You have 72 hours to send in actions. I apologize for my own disappearance. I will be considering new rules to encourage activity for tomorrow.

You have to understand Tim and mitch... the reason they're playing mafia is ... to be here. They just want to be here and post once (crap) in a while... and most of the time it is complete bullshit or copying someone else's reasons... so no, Tim voted you for the reason of.... voting you. There's no reason except what's already been told and you'll never get a new thinking or something from them. Might be a lifesaver or a hammer. You never know what will happen when they're in the game, and they're always in the game. If I was going to host a game, I'd forbid them to enter.[/quote]
WELL this is the only thing he said in a while and it had nothing to help the game but just to whine about Tim and me

Friendly reminder: No discussing the game during the night. Joke chat is fine.

Dickachu

Reminder as I was asked for clarification. Night is 72 hrs so deadline for actions will be end of day tomorrow. Still missing most actions.

Received all but two actions. If I receive them early enough I will end night early as well.

Verifying results, scene in about 2 hours.