Conquer Club

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Ireland was not left to fend for itself by the english during the famine. Somewhat misguidedly, england sent loads of grain, they just didnt know what to do with it. The irish gentry, left their people and went to england for the duration.

Yup, the Irish have a deepseated hatred of the english, because of the irish.

You are American, you have no idea.

And clearly you are English, so you have no idea either. Where did you learned that alternative version of reality - the Winston Churchill School for Colonial Apologists?

The English ran a system which forced the majority of Irish into dependency on potato crops. A few months after the potato blight struck and potato crops were decimated the English government sent some grain to Ireland, but it didn't have the milling capacity to actually process the grain (something the English government should have known).

In attempting to send something actually edible to Ireland in place of useless grain the central government faced so much opposition from MPs that it collapsed, and was eventually replaced by a new government which reverted to the standard English response to colonial famines - 'helping them would interfere with the market, we should leave them be'. As a result, something like 30% of the population of Ireland had no food to eat and starved to death.

However, if you find your sense of nationalism making the above too uncomfortable for you, feel free to retreat back into your fantasy land in which the rich Irish slaughtered the poor Irish and then scapegoated the poor, unappreciated English.

The Celtic tiger has flourished since throwing off English control. The republic's GDP per capita is more than double that of the occupied six counties (aka Northern Ireland). Now that English has voted Brexit, time is ticking on the last few small patches of the English empire left. The north is waking up to just how badly it has been extorted by London, the pleasant green fields of a reunified Emerald Isle beckon.

Check your facts Mrs.

What the English did was wrong, what the Irish did was far far worse.

The divide between Ireland and England has been brough about by centuries of miscommunication and deceit. Nothings changed.

Go check your facts on how London is treating the north of England too. You will find its far removed from the stories youve heard.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Check your facts Mrs.

What the English did was wrong, what the Irish did was far far worse.

The divide between Ireland and England has been brough about by centuries of miscommunication and deceit. Nothings changed.

Well I did check my facts, and they are indeed completely correct.

Given all you can offer in response is hyperbole and propaganda slogans, I will have to assume you are ungraciously conceding my point. Good talk!

mrswdk wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Check your facts Mrs.

What the English did was wrong, what the Irish did was far far worse.

The divide between Ireland and England has been brough about by centuries of miscommunication and deceit. Nothings changed.

Well I did check my facts, and they are indeed completely correct.

Given all you can offer in response is hyperbole and propaganda slogans, I will have to assume you are ungraciously conceding my point. Good talk!

I am an engineer working within the transport sector. Public spending on northern infrastructure is something of a speciality.

I win.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Check your facts Mrs.

What the English did was wrong, what the Irish did was far far worse.

The divide between Ireland and England has been brough about by centuries of miscommunication and deceit. Nothings changed.

Well I did check my facts, and they are indeed completely correct.

Given all you can offer in response is hyperbole and propaganda slogans, I will have to assume you are ungraciously conceding my point. Good talk!

I am an engineer working within the transport sector. Public spending on northern infrastructure is something of a speciality.

Indeed, but we were talking about the famine in Ireland. Last I checked, Ireland wasn't in the north of England and the potato famine during the 19th century was not caused by whichever railway line in Liverpool you are currently working on.

I win.

I am king of Siberia!

This explains all

Corbyn's the boss!

... documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

I just signed the referendum re-do petition using the name "Syrian Refugee Living in Poland."

saxitoxin wrote:I just signed the referendum re-do petition using the name "Syrian Refugee Living in Poland."

I just signed it as Jean-Claude Juncker.

TeeGee wrote:

This explains all

LOL - But what language are they speaking?

The Liberal Democrats have pledged to ignore the EU referendum result and keep the UK in the EU.

Given this is the party now best known for entering a coalition government and then subsequently u-turning on all their flagship election pledges, I have no idea what this means. Ignoring the will of half the British electorate seems like the sort of thing that would keep the Lib Dems in wet dreams for months, but doing so would involve listening to their voters and party membership. Surely their voters' trust would be more delicious to break, even if overall there are fewer broken hearts?

Brits are fucked!!!!!

Omg you guys are going down!!! We re not going to buy anything from you, you guys are not in our club anymore! Suck it!

'bregret" :
be careful what you vote for, you just might get it...

How are we stuffed.

Look at france now we will want your border control removed from france there your immigrants. Sorry but the immigrants were europe bound because the eu keeps on saying you must take them. Putting demands down on us. Fact is now eu will have to protect there borders at point of contact with europe instead of letting them travel through and hitting the french uk border. Britian will get stronger with this less immigrants (have a look mrs wdk how many over the last 3 years.) all on benifits ( average 300 per week) free health care. Does the eu pay this no the British Public does with increased taxes, more new taxs etc. Look at my last 2 months at work
1st month 37.5 hours per week 160 for the month tax 76 pound tax credit 180. Take home wage 976 pound
2nd month thought get more money for myself worked 310 hours tax 530 tax credit stopped take home wage 1400. This is what the imigrants has caused this is what the brittish think is unfair. This is all because the eu wont protect the borders far side then expect uk to take them all.

betiko wrote:Brits are fucked!!!!!

Omg you guys are going down!!! We re not going to buy anything from you, you guys are not in our club anymore! Suck it!

lol, yeah right. EU leaders will all do as Merkel tells them and play nice, France included.

eddie2 wrote:How are we stuffed.

Look at france now we will want your border control removed from france there your immigrants. Sorry but the immigrants were europe bound because the eu keeps on saying you must take them. Putting demands down on us. Fact is now eu will have to protect there borders at point of contact with europe instead of letting them travel through and hitting the french uk border. Britian will get stronger with this less immigrants (have a look mrs wdk how many over the last 3 years.) all on benifits ( average 300 per week) free health care. Does the eu pay this no the British Public does with increased taxes, more new taxs etc. Look at my last 2 months at work
1st month 37.5 hours per week 160 for the month tax 76 pound tax credit 180. Take home wage 976 pound
2nd month thought get more money for myself worked 310 hours tax 530 tax credit stopped take home wage 1400. This is what the imigrants has caused this is what the brittish think is unfair. This is all because the eu wont protect the borders far side then expect uk to take them all.

Eh? The 'immigrants' are all on benefits, but are also competing for all the jobs and therefore driving your wages down?

No u missing it.

The immigrants are not working.
Poland and portugal and romanians do work but they are not immigrants they are valid eu workers. This will also stop though. Keeping the money made in uk in the uk. Most. Of these workers save and sdnd all there money back to there home then once the moneys made the credit scores are big enough they tale out big loans and go back home. These are things i see first hand.

These kind of things raise our interest rates. Raise our taxs

So yes it costs me money costs u money. We can move on and maybe get back to how it was 25 years ago

Oh Eddie

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-article ... mmigration

European immigrants who arrived in the UK since 2000 have contributed more than £20bn to UK public finances between 2001 and 2011. Moreover, they have endowed the country with productive human capital that would have cost the UK £6.8bn in spending on education.

Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European ‘accession’ countries (the ‘A10’) contributed 12% more than they recieved.

Yeah, but the UK's been giving all its sacks of grain to the Poles and they're being very ungrateful about it.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Oh Eddie

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-article ... mmigration

European immigrants who arrived in the UK since 2000 have contributed more than £20bn to UK public finances between 2001 and 2011. Moreover, they have endowed the country with productive human capital that would have cost the UK £6.8bn in spending on education.

Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European ‘accession’ countries (the ‘A10’) contributed 12% more than they recieved.

Those figures are total for all of the above.

Take away the known bussiness men like donald trump. Glaziers etc. And calculate on the actual workers. Yes they pay there taxs but where does there money go?
And i did say european workers but the ones who dont work are the problem the ones who come live work for 5-10 years then take out loads of credit and go back are the problem.

Look at the channel islands they are not part of the eu but had to allow the foriegn workers in. Jersey has became overpopulated but they clicked on to what has been happening now they cannot claim benifits they cannot have free healthcare if they want to go there they must work for there money. This is how the uk should of been acting.
Then also the asylum seekers are only here because eu allowed them to get to our borders then threatened us with ejection from eu if we did not take them well screw them we ha e removed ourselves.
Put it another way look at america with mexico could you imagine if americ awas part of a eu. And being told you must accept all the mexican immigrants. Would the american public accept that.

What do you mean where does their tax money go? It goes the government who waste it as usual. Thats not exactly their fault.

The benefits of european migrants are paid for and more by european migrants.

And seriously, if you are happy to let people starve and live in fear in war torn areas then please look at your conscience. They are asylum seekers. Just think that through.

If Mexico was war torn, America would bomb the shit out of Mexico and let all mexicans across the border. Thats why they are so protective of south america.

Ok go into the polish shops ( use this as a example)

Go in 7 days in the week morning and night. Tell me if u see the same members of staff working. Get the goverment checking on the staff turnover in these shops.

This is a scam they are running give them limited hours so they can get a insurance no. Once they have it there gone from the shop and on benifits. This i know happens 100 percent.

Also i lived in the channel islands came back to the uk. Lost my job out of work for 4 months. Went to claim benifit for last 2 weeks. Omg even the workers at the job center were not happy with the system.

If i was a imigrant, straight to job seekers appointment and benifit paid.
Uk citizen you have to produce bank statements birth certificates ingoing outgoing info. 4 meetings i had to attend before getting job seekers. Ehich bythe way before i was paid it i was working again.

Do u not think this should be the other way round. I do. I am not against european workers as long as they work and not scam the system.
As for asylum seekers yep we should take some but not the ammounts that we have been getting demanded 2. The eu should be protecting the border lines better not allowing the majority of them to get to france. Then demanding we take them. We as the uk gave them a figure we could absord into our country to be told to get lost u will take more, or risk ejection from the eu.

The Lib Dems can say what they like because they're never getting voted in, so they'll just make empty promises and say what they think the public want to hear in a desperate grab for some attention. Farage is the same. Those groups can also promote and preach whatever they want because they'll never have to uphold it.

eddie2 wrote:
If i was a imigrant, straight to job seekers appointment and benifit paid.
Uk citizen you have to produce bank statements birth certificates ingoing outgoing info. 4 meetings i had to attend before getting job seekers. Ehich bythe way before i was paid it i was working again.

Whats this got to do with the EU? Its our governments fault not the EU.

Yep i agree, goverment fault but EU's fault for opening up the borders, giving these countrys ability to move anywhere. You see the eu are flucking europe up i think getting out now is the best thing.