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qwert wrote:Yes its big satisfaction for US to manage to kill OSama, these is like revenge for 9/11, but i dont understand why people have ilusion that Al-quida are weaked now.
If Osama whas supreme commander of Al-quida, then he decide what to attack and what not, but now you can get 5-6 new suborganisation, who can be even more dangerous,because now will be hard to predict what will al-quida attack.
Osama whas most wanted, but you have many who are hide in shadow, and now you dont know who will be new enemie.
One battle its over, war continue.


Exactly. Nazional chest-thumpers like stahrgraver fail to see the bigger picture beyond her own television screen.


There are 3 levels of communication/imagery that Obama uses, depending on what level he is trying to sell his snake-oil to. Try to avoid the lower level speak. It's just something that Obama needs to do. Don't get sucked in.

The reality is, and this might take away from Osama just when he is patting himself on the back too hard (In the Obama speech Osama used "I" over 20 times, "me" over 20 times, "my" a dozen times) What attacks has Obama pulled off since 9-11? The reality is that most of the recent high-target attempts have been from the Yemen branch of Al-qada, of which, I am no expert, but the USA has not connected with Bin-Laden.

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Phatscotty wrote:
There are 3 levels of communication/imagery that Obama uses, depending on what level he is trying to sell his snake-oil to. Try to avoid the lower level speak. It's just something that Obama needs to do. Don't get sucked in.

The reality is, and this might take away from Osama just when he is patting himself on the back too hard (In the Obama speech Osama used "I" over 20 times, "me" over 20 times, "my" a dozen times) What attacks has Obama pulled off since 9-11? The reality is that most of the recent high-target attempts have been from the Yemen branch of Al-qada, of which, I am no expert, but the USA has not connected with Bin-Laden.

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i just read that US Gov. comfirmed that Osama are not have any weapons,and that he its executed with shot on head. Well US drop down in same level like terrorist,instead to take hem alive, and give hem trial,like in most bigest democratic country in world.
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qwert wrote:i just read that US Gov. comfirmed that Osama are not have any weapons,and that he its executed with shot on head. Well US drop down in same level like terrorist,instead to take hem alive, and give hem trial,like in most bigest democratic country in world.


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I'm shocked at the number of liberal vaginas in this site talking about how we didn't have the right to take revenge, that this was not revenge, this changes nothing, this doesn't matter, or that we should have brought Osama to trial.

I'm thinking very hard about becoming a Republican. At least they don't confuse justice with love hugs and butterfly snuggles.
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Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm shocked at the number of liberal vaginas in this site talking about how we didn't have the right to take revenge, that this was not revenge, this changes nothing, this doesn't matter, or that we should have brought Osama to trial.

I'm thinking very hard about becoming a Republican. At least they don't confuse justice with love hugs and butterfly snuggles.


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BigBallinStalin wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:

But me, I've got no time for whining about killing Osama or how it affects global politics. Nor do I care how it affects US relations with mountain people or wasteland tribes. He got what he had coming to him. Call it revenge or don't, some of my fellow Americans deserve a little justice.



It's important to understand and care about a certain topic if one actually wants to make a credible point about it.

Saying, "Derbalurb herb herb herb" followed by "I don't care about long-term costs and unintended consequences of previous actions which created Al-Qaida because justice has been served from my self-limited perspective," isn't very intelligent.


Who said that I don't understand? My point is that none of your "mercy--this" and "please don't hurt us back--that" matters. This is something important that was going to happen, had to happen, and needed to happen. All costs are negligible in comparison to killing Osama Bin Laden. I don't care about the long term costs of revenge or consequences of American Justice. F*ck that terrorist.


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Night Strike wrote:
spurgistan wrote:Also, whoever said OBL used his wife as a shield is stepping back from that. Story evolving, and such.


Yeah, I heard that. However, if someone else used her as a shield, then they're equally cowardly.


So, what does this say about my earlier comment?

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Ever notice that as we are told that military technology has become more sophisticated, which implies an ability to minimise innocent civillian deaths, the words 'collateral damage' has slowly evolved into 'human shield'?
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stahrgazer wrote:I don't go to church or have a deity.

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God Bless America.


Makes plenty of sense to me.
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As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.
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Army of GOD wrote:As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.


let's be fair, AoG - There would be plain morons who would have the same sentiment also
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radiojake wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:I don't go to church or have a deity.

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God Bless America.


Makes plenty of sense to me.


Good. I'm glad you can see that "God" doesn't have to mean, "a deity." Many don't get that.
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stahrgazer wrote:
radiojake wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:I don't go to church or have a deity.

........

God Bless America.


Makes plenty of sense to me.


Good. I'm glad you can see that "God" doesn't have to mean, "a deity." Many don't get that.


Care to explain?
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qwert wrote:i just read that US Gov. comfirmed that Osama are not have any weapons,and that he its executed with shot on head. Well US drop down in same level like terrorist,instead to take hem alive, and give hem trial,like in most bigest democratic country in world.


Yes. Some fights require different than, "the Marquis of Queensbury rules."

My only issue is, Congress hasn't had the balls to make "take out terrorists," Constitutionally legal.

You see, without a specific country, the United States' Constitution doesn't allow for "legally" declaring war on the terrorists. The Law the Congress passed to "let" Bush start this... well, it's technically not war... was not allowed per our Constitution either; although because they passed it, the President isn't in breach of laws governing his office for doing it.

Nor do I think acts like this - or any acts - by non-citizens should be allowed the same trial rights granted by the US Constitution to legal citizens of the United States.

So, the Congress needs to make a Constitutional Amendment that allows for circumstances caused by terrorists, those who would declare "war" on the United States without having a sovereign nation to specifically "war back" against. When they do, they can make stuff like this "legal." Alternatively, NATO or other 'treaty' organizations can make a firm decision about what is "legal" in the eyes of treaty-signers, because sadly, right now, their clauses don't cover the Al Qaedas of the world, either.

Either way, I like the Marine emblem/flag, "Don't Tread on Me," and I'm very happy my government and my military didn't bind their balls up in a silly legal argument, and instead, they took care of business!
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radiojake wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
radiojake wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:I don't go to church or have a deity.
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God Bless America.


Makes plenty of sense to me.


Good. I'm glad you can see that "God" doesn't have to mean, "a deity." Many don't get that.


Care to explain?


Dayum, I gave you too much credit after all! :lol:
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stahrgazer wrote:
radiojake wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Good. I'm glad you can see that "God" doesn't have to mean, "a deity." Many don't get that.


Care to explain?


Dayum, I gave you too much credit after all! :lol:


So.... are you going to give us a lesson and explain how 'God' doesn't have to mean 'a deity' ?- Because that is precisely what 'God' is.
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qwert wrote:i just read that US Gov. comfirmed that Osama are not have any weapons,and that he its executed with shot on head. Well US drop down in same level like terrorist,instead to take hem alive, and give hem trial,like in most bigest democratic country in world.


Executed? Lmao! Are you on drugs Qwert? Are you this delusional or just completely out of touch with the world affairs? Comparing the USA to the likes of terrorists? Get a freaking clue. I'm glad Qwert has all the intelligence as to what transpired during that particular mission as it was only leaked to him it appears. Lol, wow!!!!
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Army of GOD wrote:As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.


who said thatttt
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qwert wrote:Yes its big satisfaction for US to manage to kill OSama, these is like revenge for 9/11, but i dont understand why people have ilusion that Al-quida are weaked now.
If Osama whas supreme commander of Al-quida, then he decide what to attack and what not, but now you can get 5-6 new suborganisation, who can be even more dangerous,because now will be hard to predict what will al-quida attack.
Osama whas most wanted, but you have many who are hide in shadow, and now you dont know who will be new enemie.
One battle its over, war continue.


You made one comment that actually made sense Qwert, kudos. Yes, one battle is over and the war on terror will forever be ongoing. Attempting to capture obl had nothing to do with "revenge", lol. It was to stop the person responsible for the continuous chaos across the globe. Obl was extremely rich and funded all the terrorists plans and execution of said plans. Are you starting to see the big picture here? Without the Continuous flow of money, the plans are now halted and put on hold, which is a good thing Qwert. As far as the demise of obl, good freaking riddens!!
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john9blue wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.


who said thatttt


codeblue wrote:It was worth it

stahrgazer wrote:It was worth it, and I love the God that I don't believe in

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Army of GOD wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.


who said thatttt


codeblue wrote:It was worth it

stahrgazer wrote:It was worth it, and I love the God that I don't believe in

jefjef wrote:AMURIKA!

:lol:
Let's say it again; the mission that led to the potential capture and the subsequent/unfortunate death was without a doubt WORTH IT!! The world is now far better off. Thx for helping out AOG. God Bless The USA as well as the rest of the worlds countries.
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I support the capture and trial of OBL on suspicion of causing the death of 3,000 New Yorkers in 2001 provided Bill Clinton and Tony Blair are captured and tried for the death of 4,000 Serbians in 1999.
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Juan_Bottom wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:

But me, I've got no time for whining about killing Osama or how it affects global politics. Nor do I care how it affects US relations with mountain people or wasteland tribes. He got what he had coming to him. Call it revenge or don't, some of my fellow Americans deserve a little justice.



It's important to understand and care about a certain topic if one actually wants to make a credible point about it.

Saying, "Derbalurb herb herb herb" followed by "I don't care about long-term costs and unintended consequences of previous actions which created Al-Qaida because justice has been served from my self-limited perspective," isn't very intelligent.


Who said that I don't understand? My point is that none of your "mercy--this" and "please don't hurt us back--that" matters. This is something important that was going to happen, had to happen, and needed to happen. All costs are negligible in comparison to killing Osama Bin Laden. I don't care about the long term costs of revenge or consequences of American Justice. F*ck that terrorist.


How can anyone expect you to understand anything if you don't care about the long-term costs or consequences of this action?

" I don't care about the long term costs of revenge or consequences of American Justice."



It is foolish to not care about long-term costs and to ignore the consequences of certain actions. That kind of thinking produces short-sighted people, who are prone to continuously making costly mistakes and who aren't capable of learning from their mistakes since they ignore the consequences.


I'm sincerely surprised you said that. Perhaps, your emotions got the better of you.
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codeblue1018 wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.


who said thatttt


codeblue wrote:It was worth it

stahrgazer wrote:It was worth it, and I love the God that I don't believe in

jefjef wrote:AMURIKA!

:lol:
Let's say it again; the mission that led to the potential capture and the subsequent/unfortunate death was without a doubt WORTH IT!! The world is now far better off. Thx for helping out AOG. God Bless The USA as well as the rest of the worlds countries.


is the world better off? now we dont know who to fear who to look out for and when we find out it will only be by a big death toll. obl could only do so much with the world hunting him but there will be another person just as bad....or much worst maybe.
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caymanmew wrote:
codeblue1018 wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:As of right now, I'm convinced that the people who are saying "it was worth it" are all trolls.


who said thatttt


codeblue wrote:It was worth it

stahrgazer wrote:It was worth it, and I love the God that I don't believe in

jefjef wrote:AMURIKA!

:lol:
Let's say it again; the mission that led to the potential capture and the subsequent/unfortunate death was without a doubt WORTH IT!! The world is now far better off. Thx for helping out AOG. God Bless The USA as well as the rest of the worlds countries.


is the world better off? now we dont know who to fear who to look out for and when we find out it will only be by a big death toll. obl could only do so much with the world hunting him but there will be another person just as bad....or much worst maybe.


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