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rockfist wrote:Do we get the points for beating RET at their previous score before TOP does? Our war finished in Sept, while I think theirs will last into Oct.

Clans gain points from other clans based on the losing clans score at the time the war ends. So even if a clan has 1500 points when you start the war on Jan 1st 2017, and your war takes 6 months and completed in July 1st 2017.
If that clan tanked 10 wars and went down to 800 BEFORE your war completed, you gain points as if they were a 800 point clan.

The time I do updates has no relevance, even if I don't update until Christmas and have to catch up 100 wars, they are all scored based on time of completion and wouldn't affect how rankings ended up at my update.

Hope that answers your question

Yes, it does thank you.

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Thanks IP...............

thanks agane jp.

So TOP is one point from reaching #1 by means of points gained exclusively from the second division of CL7?

Well done so far TOP. let's see if the Premier Division can give you more of a challenge

Arama86n wrote:So TOP is one point from reaching #1 by means of points gained exclusively from the second division of CL7?

Well done so far TOP. let's see if the Premier Division can give you more of a challenge

and their war wins over HH, TNC and FOED.

Hi Icepack

I am pretty new to this clan world. Or at least in looking at F400 and following it

I took a look at the original thread and tried out the formula there, but I didnt get any result useable.

I am sure you have been asked many times, and I tried looking through a lot of pages, but wasnt lucky to see any example of how points are being calculated.

Could I get you to make an example for us new clan players

E.g. we at TOP are about to beat RET 31-10 in a war ( only one game need a finish up )

How much will that impact on ours and RETs points if you use current points from october ?

I know our points can change before the war is over but just use current point TOP 1383 and RET 1165

If you can write a formula for it, it would be great and please an old accountant that loves analysing numbers

Hi dk,
Yeah at some point years ago I think we dragged up the formula but even when people had it, was very difficult to do this properly.
Ultimately I have the calculator and with all the calculations and recalculation involved it's much easier for me to provide score estimated when someone has a specific question like you've provided, then teaching everyone math and then trying to help find out what they did wrong manually when I just use the calc day to day.
It's much easier for me to do this then try to fully explain to many to the point they understand the ins and outs etc

If you (or any clan) have specific questions on how a war would affect your scores (within reason, I can't spend the entire week doing different calcs) I just need:

both clans (real war or theoretical is fine), estimated war score (real or fake) and estimated date of completion.

If you provide me those details I can run it through and provide the ratings. Some people have chosen to add me on Skype for these type of estimates because I'm on there often, and it's easier / quicker to get responses there. Usually there are a handful of requests / month

IP,
Is the code a matlab or python type script? Is it something you'd be willing to post? I'm sure there are several of us out here that are programmers and mathematicians that would like to dig through it to understand it better.

Doc_Brown wrote:IP,
Is the code a matlab or python type script? Is it something you'd be willing to post? I'm sure there are several of us out here that are programmers and mathematicians that would like to dig through it to understand it better.

We've tried to do that in order to automate the F400 into the site. We failed Your suggestion might be just what it takes to achieve this.

Doc
The last time this came up it sucked all my time and energy for 6+ months trying to chase down a few major discrepancies. I seriously don't want to go down that road again trying to dig through everything over and over and try to verify everyone's work.
Ultimately it's easiest for me to provide people estimates for now until we have the time and energy into automation again, but for now I don't want to reopen the wound.
As the person whose most familiar w the work etc it always falls on me to proof and check and calc and confirm everything, and with so many details & calcs it's exhausting work to go through this for me.

I'm happy to provide the estimates, that part is quick painless and straight forward for me. My hope is in the future we can automate but that was an ugly road and a lot of time spent on it.
Thanks
IcePack

Hi Doc
I'm happy to provide estimates, that part is quick and painless and straight forward for me.
We were working on getting it automated (and may eventually get there) but for now it was a lot of time and energy spent trying to verify info, etc but the last time we spent considerable resources trying to compare, verify, reconcile different issues.
I would rather not continue down that road right now. We will keep working on our long term goal of automation, but so far each time it gets opened up becomes a huge time consumption on my part digging through the mess that's created.
IcePack

IcePack wrote:Hi dk,
Yeah at some point years ago I think we dragged up the formula but even when people had it, was very difficult to do this properly.
Ultimately I have the calculator and with all the calculations and recalculation involved it's much easier for me to provide score estimated when someone has a specific question like you've provided, then teaching everyone math and then trying to help find out what they did wrong manually when I just use the calc day to day.
It's much easier for me to do this then try to fully explain to many to the point they understand the ins and outs etc

If you (or any clan) have specific questions on how a war would affect your scores (within reason, I can't spend the entire week doing different calcs) I just need:

both clans (real war or theoretical is fine), estimated war score (real or fake) and estimated date of completion.

If you provide me those details I can run it through and provide the ratings. Some people have chosen to add me on Skype for these type of estimates because I'm on there often, and it's easier / quicker to get responses there. Usually there are a handful of requests / month

Thanks Icepack

Then can you give me estimated change in ratings for this:

TOP v RET 31-10 war ended today

Thanks in advance

dkmaster wrote:Thanks Icepack

Then can you give me estimated change in ratings for this:

TOP v RET 31-10 war ended today

Thanks in advance

Before
TOP 1383 211 Beat FOED 1300
RET 1166 802 Beat ATN 1267

After
TOP 1414 252 Beat FOED 1300
RET 1157 843 Beat ATN 1267

forgive me for my ignorance

What does the 211, 802, 252, & 843 mean, and how did they come into the computation?

How much of a difference did the final score of the wars make?

Those are the weights of the clans...the more games you play that count in the ranking the higher your weight, thus the less any one of those games counts towards your overall number, which is why TOP gained more points than RET lost. RET and OSA consistently have the highest weights of any clan.

As to how much the score impacts ranking, that is a question I do not know the answer to.

xroads wrote:forgive me for my ignorance

What does the 211, 802, 252, & 843 mean, and how did they come into the computation?

How much of a difference did the final score of the wars make?

The #'s are the weight of the clan. How many games are being factored into their current rating. 211+41 war games = 252, etc as decay affects the wars weight will slowly drop

The current rating & final score is always the biggest factors into a war.

rockfist wrote:Those are the weights of the clans...the more games you play that count in the ranking the higher your weight, thus the less any one of those games counts towards your overall number, which is why TOP gained more points than RET lost. RET and OSA consistently have the highest weights of any clan.

As to how much the score impacts ranking, that is a question I do not know the answer to.

Strange it didn't show this post or tell me I was fast posted :/

thanks IP, a lot of work you have done. makes playing fun. ( and to all those that help you )

Note to self: SC gone social

I'll try to update today or tomorrow.

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