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Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:20 pm
by Neoteny
HapSmo19 wrote:Yeah, I know.
I also know that studies on genetic criminality are a slippery-slope taboo for a reason so when snorri makes a statement like "Criminals aren't genetically disposed towards crime..."(should be predisposed, right?), he should qualify that with "IMO" because the data just isn't in. That is all.

I win.


They're "taboo" because we take aversion to the train of thought that being black or Mexican = genetic predisposition for crime. :roll:

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:22 pm
by thegreekdog
Has anyone seen the recent Newsweek cover (speaking of genetic disposition)? More importantly, has anyone read the recent Newsweek? There's a picture of a white baby with the headline "RACIST?" in big bold letters. Just curious what that's about (but not curious enough to buy Newsweek).

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:24 pm
by GabonX
GabonX wrote:GabonX's two step plan to reduce the prisoner population:

1. Execute all murderers and rapists unless another country is willing to accept them as political refugees

2. Legalize all substances and free all prisoners who are incarcerated for possessing small amounts for personal use. Use of a substance should be considered a civil liberty and if a person would break the law as a result of use they should be prosecuted under that statute.

Executing people for rape may be a bit extreme but I personally see no problem with it. It's amazing how many people who are against capital punishment advocate it when a child has been raped.

Anyhow, if you kill another person you should not be allowed to strain society any further. I shouldn't be taxed to support the existence of murderers in a prison. Worse than this, more often than not they are freed and go on to kill again.

They should be executed. Problem solved.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:28 pm
by Neoteny
thegreekdog wrote:Has anyone seen the recent Newsweek cover (speaking of genetic disposition)? More importantly, has anyone read the recent Newsweek? There's a picture of a white baby with the headline "RACIST?" in big bold letters. Just curious what that's about (but not curious enough to buy Newsweek).


I believe PLAYER posted the article in TRU.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:39 pm
by HapSmo19
thegreekdog wrote:Has anyone seen the recent Newsweek cover (speaking of genetic disposition)? More importantly, has anyone read the recent Newsweek? There's a picture of a white baby with the headline "RACIST?" in big bold letters. Just curious what that's about (but not curious enough to buy Newsweek).


It's about them not taking aversion to the train of thought that being white = genetic predisposition for racism.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:41 pm
by thegreekdog
Neoteny wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Has anyone seen the recent Newsweek cover (speaking of genetic disposition)? More importantly, has anyone read the recent Newsweek? There's a picture of a white baby with the headline "RACIST?" in big bold letters. Just curious what that's about (but not curious enough to buy Newsweek).


I believe PLAYER posted the article in TRU.


Pardon my ignorance, but what is TRU?

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:45 pm
by Neoteny
thegreekdog wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Has anyone seen the recent Newsweek cover (speaking of genetic disposition)? More importantly, has anyone read the recent Newsweek? There's a picture of a white baby with the headline "RACIST?" in big bold letters. Just curious what that's about (but not curious enough to buy Newsweek).


I believe PLAYER posted the article in TRU.


Pardon my ignorance, but what is TRU?


Usergroup. I assumed you were in it for some reason.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:46 pm
by thegreekdog
Thank you sir.

EDIT - Really fascinating article. The studies seem varied and well done.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:03 pm
by HapSmo19
Neoteny wrote:
HapSmo19 wrote:Yeah, I know.
I also know that studies on genetic criminality are a slippery-slope taboo for a reason so when snorri makes a statement like "Criminals aren't genetically disposed towards crime..."(should be predisposed, right?), he should qualify that with "IMO" because the data just isn't in. That is all.

I win.


They're "taboo" because we take aversion to the train of thought that being black or Mexican = genetic predisposition for crime. :roll:


Nice duck/dodge.
Or could it be taboo because the results of these types of studies could offend someone other than whites?

Interesting the Newsweak story/study was conducted on 100% whites.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:06 pm
by thegreekdog
Actually, the Newsweek story reported on one study saying that, of the black students studied, approximately 15% of their friends were white.

But, yes, the story was 99% about white kids.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:17 pm
by Neoteny
HapSmo19 wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
HapSmo19 wrote:Yeah, I know.
I also know that studies on genetic criminality are a slippery-slope taboo for a reason so when snorri makes a statement like "Criminals aren't genetically disposed towards crime..."(should be predisposed, right?), he should qualify that with "IMO" because the data just isn't in. That is all.

I win.


They're "taboo" because we take aversion to the train of thought that being black or Mexican = genetic predisposition for crime. :roll:


Nice duck/dodge.
Or could it be taboo because the results of these types of studies could offend someone other than whites?

Interesting the Newsweak story/study was conducted on 100% whites.


It wouldn't be taboo if people weren't scared that the media and idiots will tout the data as something it isn't. There are plenty of people who recognize there are differences between races, but the facts, as they stand now, show that they are extremely slight. It's clear that the perceived divides are mostly caused by other factors.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:20 pm
by Nobunaga
... Neo's right on this one. It's socio-economic and cultural.

...

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:25 pm
by Symmetry
thegreekdog wrote:Actually, the Newsweek story reported on one study saying that, of the black students studied, approximately 15% of their friends were white.

But, yes, the story was 99% about white kids.


Just a quick note to add about the Newsweek stuff. I really wouldn't trust the studies. The samples are really small and very local, there's no control group in most of them, and the article doesn't really seem to follow the conclusions of the actual studies. I've got no opinion on whether the conclusions are true or not, but the studies in the article just don't show what the article claims they show.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:37 pm
by notyou2
HapSmo19 wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
Titanic wrote:
HapSmo19 wrote:You idiot.


Good response, you admitting defeat?


Obviously his parents and teachers did :lol:


Obviously. And as soon as one of you frootloops prove to me how it's genetically possible to be born with one character or personality trait and not another, I'll be admitting defeat.


So, did my link not prove that it is genetically possible? I didn't see your post admitting defeat?????

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:18 pm
by HapSmo19
Because I win.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:12 pm
by Tyr
this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:26 pm
by Phatscotty
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this

part of the risk you take when you want free college, that being said...

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:57 pm
by Nobunaga
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this


... Who the hell was talking about Marines?

... <edit> Baby-killer.

...

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:56 am
by joecoolfrog
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this


Yep I bet you and your brave buddies wish you had turned up for school a bit more often and bothered to do your homework :(

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:24 am
by GabonX
f*ck you

I'm not even in the service, but still..

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:48 am
by Titanic
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this


Wouldn't the most dangerous place be Somalia? The place where you ran out after actually trying to do something good.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:58 am
by joecoolfrog
Titanic wrote:
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this


Wouldn't the most dangerous place be Somalia? The place where you ran out after actually trying to do something good.


Yeh Somalia was a disaster , Halliburton executives looked at every angle but just couldn't see a way to make any decent money there :(

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:26 am
by thegreekdog
joecoolfrog wrote:Yeh Somalia was a disaster , Halliburton executives looked at every angle but just couldn't see a way to make any decent money there


President Clinton - shill for Haliburton? More at 11...

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:26 am
by thegreekdog
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this


Tyr, good luck and God bless. There are many in the US who appreciate what you do.

Re: Land of the Free

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:19 am
by MeDeFe
Tyr wrote:this may be a bit late but lay off talking about marines alot of my buddies are in afghanistan now and i go soon. a bunch of kids with enough balls to stand up and go to the most dangerous place on earth so that you can sit your nasty disgusting gelatinous ass in a chair and bitch about how much they suck. 234 years of honor courage and commitment serving our country does not deserve this

If you're that old you should've retired sometime in the 1830s, at the absolutely latest.