Conquer Club

reminisco wrote:i believe that atheists celebrate Christmas by playing The Island of Dr. Moreau on a continuous loop while zapping mud with a tesla coil and shouting "RISE! RISE, My evolutions!"

lmao! I'm popping that into my sig.

Nataki Yiro wrote:That's how I talk... therefore it is how I type. If you have a problem with that, then go talk to your mom... I'm sure she will convince me to stop...

God may know your decision but you don't... this makes it your fault if you miss out on eternity...
Have some balls (if you're a girl, you are excused) and take some responsibility...

It all boils down to you wanting to blame God for problems you cause...

Ex.
Let's say I build a time machine and can go into the future and see your test grades... I tell you I know your grades. Is your ability to study and prepare yourself for the test bound by what I know?
^--- That's how dumb your argument sounds...

In other news, Sullivan's new CD is amazing... I really like "The Process"...

Told you guys he didn't understand the argument.

Who the hell uses time machines in an example. Seriously, who does that?

Seriously?!

O snap! The PO-lease... I can't do another nickel...

I do apparently. Even though a time machine would never work... useless you wanted to jump forward in time... which would be useless...

*looks at snorri*
You think he'll shut up if we ignore him?

Frigidus wrote:

btownmeggy wrote:

Nataki Yiro wrote:I'm Irish... Richard wouldn't be a very good Irish name...

Yet, you're... Texan?

Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day. That was just a little while ago, right?

EDIT: OK, what the hell do you do to make the freaking quotes work? This is made of lame and fail.

if you understood what St. Patrick's day was really about no one in there right mind would celebrate it and would have a huge negative look on Christians

but back on the subject sorry i was late reading this but anyone christmas is a stolen holiday from Pagans they took it to convert Pagans to be christian by saying hey look we celebrate the same holidays you should come over and worship ours and when that didn't work they started murdering Pagans in the name of there god

Smokingdude420 wrote:

Frigidus wrote:

btownmeggy wrote:

Nataki Yiro wrote:I'm Irish... Richard wouldn't be a very good Irish name...

Yet, you're... Texan?

Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day. That was just a little while ago, right?

EDIT: OK, what the hell do you do to make the freaking quotes work? This is made of lame and fail.

if you understood what St. Patrick's day was really about no one in there right mind would celebrate it and would have a huge negative look on Christians

but back on the subject sorry i was late reading this but anyone christmas is a stolen holiday from Pagans they took it to convert Pagans to be christian by saying hey look we celebrate the same holidays you should come over and worship ours and when that didn't work they started murdering Pagans in the name of there god

Well, hell, the modern idea of a Christian God is just a theoretical construct used by the ancient Greeks, but that doesn't stop them.

I can't beleive that that many Atheist celebrate christmas. I won't.

But I do take advantage of the wonderful deals. I gots me a new 18v drill.

Frigidus wrote:

Smokingdude420 wrote:

Frigidus wrote:

btownmeggy wrote:

Nataki Yiro wrote:I'm Irish... Richard wouldn't be a very good Irish name...

Yet, you're... Texan?

Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day. That was just a little while ago, right?

EDIT: OK, what the hell do you do to make the freaking quotes work? This is made of lame and fail.

if you understood what St. Patrick's day was really about no one in there right mind would celebrate it and would have a huge negative look on Christians

but back on the subject sorry i was late reading this but anyone christmas is a stolen holiday from Pagans they took it to convert Pagans to be christian by saying hey look we celebrate the same holidays you should come over and worship ours and when that didn't work they started murdering Pagans in the name of there god

Well, hell, the modern idea of a Christian God is just a theoretical construct used by the ancient Greeks, but that doesn't stop them.

Nor logic.

For me Christmas is more cultural and family oriented than anything. I get in the "Christmas spirit" and all that, but there is no religious undertone for me. I think it's just pretty cool that there's a time of the year where you're, in theory, supposed to treat everyone decently. That is all.

I put we do celebrate christmas because christmas is only a cheap rip off of the pagan celebration of winter

Christmas is not a cheap rip off of a pagan holiday, although it is close enough to look like a cheap rip off of a pagan holiday. This is an odd holiday where what we think is the egg is actually the chicken. The oldest holiday is not Christmas but the feast of the Epiphany which is on Jan 6. From this date we get a number (twelve) of days prior which begins with Christmas Day but there are other feasts and holy days throughout the twelve days of Christmas.

From Wiki: "The word Christmas originated as a contraction of 'Christ's mass'. It is derived from the Middle English Christemasse and Old English Cristes mæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038, compounded from Old English derivatives of the Greek christos and the Latin missa."

tzor wrote:Christmas is not a cheap rip off of a pagan holiday, although it is close enough to look like a cheap rip off of a pagan holiday. This is an odd holiday where what we think is the egg is actually the chicken. The oldest holiday is not Christmas but the feast of the Epiphany which is on Jan 6. From this date we get a number (twelve) of days prior which begins with Christmas Day but there are other feasts and holy days throughout the twelve days of Christmas.

Totally a cheap rip off.

Most religious holidays really don't start on whatever day it's supposed to have happened. It was just good marketing.

tzor wrote:Christmas is not a cheap rip off of a pagan holiday, although it is close enough to look like a cheap rip off of a pagan holiday. This is an odd holiday where what we think is the egg is actually the chicken. The oldest holiday is not Christmas but the feast of the Epiphany which is on Jan 6. From this date we get a number (twelve) of days prior which begins with Christmas Day but there are other feasts and holy days throughout the twelve days of Christmas.

From Wiki: "The word Christmas originated as a contraction of 'Christ's mass'. It is derived from the Middle English Christemasse and Old English Cristes mæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038, compounded from Old English derivatives of the Greek christos and the Latin missa."

christmas is a rip off Christians stole the holiday from Pagans just like easter Christians stole that from Pagans also

Smokingdude420 wrote:christmas is a rip off Christians stole the holiday from Pagans just like easter Christians stole that from Pagans also

No. Christians stole that from the Jews, only they gave it a different name. Pentecost is also derived from a Jewish holiday (Shavuot).

A lot of pagan influence got merged into all holidays, but that doesn't mean they were ripped off from the pagans.

tzor wrote:A lot of pagan influence got merged into all holidays, but that doesn't mean they were ripped off from the pagans.

Well they did take the date, though that's more of a date that everybody uses.

tzor wrote:

Smokingdude420 wrote:christmas is a rip off Christians stole the holiday from Pagans just like easter Christians stole that from Pagans also

No. Christians stole that from the Jews, only they gave it a different name. Pentecost is also derived from a Jewish holiday (Shavuot).

A lot of pagan influence got merged into all holidays, but that doesn't mean they were ripped off from the pagans.

well maybe you need to read up on your history if you think they stole it from the jews lol but whatever floats your boat man think what you want but it just makes you sound stupid because your talking about something you know nothing about read a book

Smokingdude420 wrote:

tzor wrote:

Smokingdude420 wrote:christmas is a rip off Christians stole the holiday from Pagans just like easter Christians stole that from Pagans also

No. Christians stole that from the Jews, only they gave it a different name. Pentecost is also derived from a Jewish holiday (Shavuot).

A lot of pagan influence got merged into all holidays, but that doesn't mean they were ripped off from the pagans.

well maybe you need to read up on your history if you think they stole it from the jews lol but whatever floats your boat man think what you want but it just makes you sound stupid because your talking about something you know nothing about read a book

Tzor often espouses opinions which I don't agree with. But, accusing him of a lack of knowledge on this topic...well, you'd do well to pick a better target, mate. Don't walk into a battle of wits unarmed.

jonesthecurl wrote:Tzor often espouses opinions which I don't agree with. But, accusing him of a lack of knowledge on this topic...well, you'd do well to pick a better target, mate. Don't walk into a battle of wits unarmed.

Don't worry, I am a man of honor and I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

One of my favorite books, actually a short story was written by Issac Asimov and involved an organization called the LIARS. The Liars were a group of athiests who existed since the dawn of time and whose purpose was to whenever necessary invent or modify new religions. In the short story a lair in the future had rewoven the Gospels to make Judas seem to be the good guy and it even had flying dragons in it. (Also the good guys.)

Dragons! Where can I join that religion?

MeDeFe wrote:Dragons! Where can I join that religion?

I think it was more a matter of when. I forget the where the short story was supposed to take place, but you need to go at least several hundred years forward and several hundred light years away from earth in order to find it.

tzor wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:Dragons! Where can I join that religion?

I think it was more a matter of when. I forget the where the short story was supposed to take place, but you need to go at least several hundred years forward and several hundred light years away from earth in order to find it.

aaw, dragondamnit!

tzor wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:Tzor often espouses opinions which I don't agree with. But, accusing him of a lack of knowledge on this topic...well, you'd do well to pick a better target, mate. Don't walk into a battle of wits unarmed.

Don't worry, I am a man of honor and I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

One of my favorite books, actually a short story was written by Issac Asimov and involved an organization called the LIARS. The Liars were a group of athiests who existed since the dawn of time and whose purpose was to whenever necessary invent or modify new religions. In the short story a lair in the future had rewoven the Gospels to make Judas seem to be the good guy and it even had flying dragons in it. (Also the good guys.)

well honestly as far as jews go yes i would say im an unarmed man about that never studyed it and never really cared much to study it but i do know the history of Ostara which is the oringnal "easter" i have storys of how it came to be just like Yule but i would really like to know because you say the Christians stole easter from the jews i'd really like to hear the story of a jews easter because honestly i never even knew they celebrated easter or anything close to it but believe me if we were to have a battle of wits with Paganism believe me I am no unarmed man

Smokingdude420 wrote:well honestly as far as jews go yes i would say im an unarmed man about that never studyed it and never really cared much to study it but i do know the history of Ostara which is the oringnal "easter" i have storys of how it came to be just like Yule but i would really like to know because you say the Christians stole easter from the jews i'd really like to hear the story of a jews easter because honestly i never even knew they celebrated easter or anything close to it but believe me if we were to have a battle of wits with Paganism believe me I am no unarmed man

Well if you have the history of Ostara please let us know. Let Wiki know because this is all they have of it.

Wiki wrote:Ostara is a modern Neopagan festival. It is loosely based on several holidays which were celebrated around the spring equinox (when day and night are nearly of equal length). The modern holiday does not have a strong relation to any known historical Pagan religious observation.

Easter is typically related to the Jewish observance of Passover and the parallels can be eitehr attributed to "fufillment" or just plain "stealing." The connection with the feast is mostly in the timing but there are other parallels as well. There is the reference to the meal, (which in this case was repeated not yearly but originally weekly and then daily) the reference to the sacrifice of an unblemished lamb (but in this case the "lamb of god" is a man) but this is done once for all time. There is sort of a reference to the "Angel of death" but in this case this is an obscure reference to a lot of people comming from the dead after the death of Jesus.

The only real relation between "Easter" and "Ostra" is that they both occur around the Spring Equinox. But Easter is always defined as occuring after the equinox, and oddly enough the Church stoped using an actual solar calendar to determine the spring equinox date. It is then further defined according to the lunar calendar as was the Jewish calendar.

tzor wrote:

Smokingdude420 wrote:well honestly as far as jews go yes i would say im an unarmed man about that never studyed it and never really cared much to study it but i do know the history of Ostara which is the oringnal "easter" i have storys of how it came to be just like Yule but i would really like to know because you say the Christians stole easter from the jews i'd really like to hear the story of a jews easter because honestly i never even knew they celebrated easter or anything close to it but believe me if we were to have a battle of wits with Paganism believe me I am no unarmed man

Well if you have the history of Ostara please let us know. Let Wiki know because this is all they have of it.

Wiki wrote:Ostara is a modern Neopagan festival. It is loosely based on several holidays which were celebrated around the spring equinox (when day and night are nearly of equal length). The modern holiday does not have a strong relation to any known historical Pagan religious observation.

Easter is typically related to the Jewish observance of Passover and the parallels can be eitehr attributed to "fufillment" or just plain "stealing." The connection with the feast is mostly in the timing but there are other parallels as well. There is the reference to the meal, (which in this case was repeated not yearly but originally weekly and then daily) the reference to the sacrifice of an unblemished lamb (but in this case the "lamb of god" is a man) but this is done once for all time. There is sort of a reference to the "Angel of death" but in this case this is an obscure reference to a lot of people comming from the dead after the death of Jesus.

The only real relation between "Easter" and "Ostra" is that they both occur around the Spring Equinox. But Easter is always defined as occuring after the equinox, and oddly enough the Church stoped using an actual solar calendar to determine the spring equinox date. It is then further defined according to the lunar calendar as was the Jewish calendar.

i do understand that yes Christians Jews and Pagans all have a similar holiday mostly because yes it is the start of Spring now i know Christians are not a very old religion so there not even in this ball park and as far a jews go Pagans have been around alot longer then them i mean come on look at the Goddess Sekhmet and the God Anubis are Pagan deities that were worshiped long before judaism ever came to be