Conquer Club

Posted: **Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:55 pm**

Indeed, I am a bit of a turd...

meh, there's some bright folks on this site that can deal with the BOB issues.

Posted: **Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:23 pm**

I've changed the order of the XML tags for the three offending territories and everything checks out, with the obvious exception of the large and small locations, which will be the last things I do. I'm including the entire code again in case anybody cares.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Berlin</title>
   <smallwidth>600</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>440</smallheight>
   <largewidth>798</largewidth>
   <largeheight>585</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>
   <continent>
      <name>Russian Sector</name>
      <bonus>5</bonus>
      <components>
         <component>Rahnsdorf</component>
         <component>M&#x00FC;ggelheim</component>
         <component>Gr&#x00FC;nau</component>
         <component>Treptow</component>
         <component>K&#x00F6;penick</component>
         <component>Hellersdorf</component>
         <component>Marzahn</component>
         <component>Lichtenberg</component>
         <component>Friedrichshain</component>
         <component>Hohensch&#x00F6;nhausen</component>
         <component>Wei&#x00DF;ensee</component>
         <component>Buch</component>
         <component>Prenzlauer Berg</component>
         <component>Pankow</component>
         <component>Mitte</component>
      </components>
      <required>8</required>
   </continent>
   <continent>
      <name>American Sector</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <component>Britz-Rudow</component>
         <component>Neuk&#x00F6;len</component>
         <component>Kreuzberg</component>
         <component>Tempelhof</component>
         <component>Marienfelde</component>
         <component>Steglitz</component>
         <component>Zehlendorf</component>
         <component>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</component>
         <component>Dahlem</component>
         <component>Nikolasee</component>
         <component>Wannsee</component>
      </components>
      <required>6</required>
   </continent>
   <continent>
      <name>British Sector</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <component>Tiergarten</component>
         <component>Moabit</component>
         <component>Wilmersdorf</component>
         <component>Grunewald</component>
         <component>Charlottenburg</component>
         <component>Siemenstadt</component>
         <component>Westend</component>
         <component>Spandau</component>
         <component>Gatow</component>
      </components>
      <required>5</required>
   </continent>
   <continent>
      <name>French Sector</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <component>Wedding</component>
         <component>Tegel</component>
         <component>Reinickendorf</component>
         <component>Frohnau</component>
         <component>Heiligensee</component>
      </components>
      <required>3</required>
   </continent>
   <continent>
      <name>Russian Checkpoints</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <component>Pankow</component>
         <component>Mitte</component>
         <component>Friedrichshain</component>
      </components>
   </continent>
   <continent>
      <name>Western Checkpoints</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <component>Wedding</component>
         <component>Moabit</component>
         <component>Kreuzberg</component>
      </components>
   </continent>
   <territory>
      <name>Rahnsdorf</name>
      <borders>
         <border>M&#x00FC;ggelheim</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;penick</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>547</smallx>
         <smally>332</smally>
         <largex>729</largex>
         <largey>434</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>M&#x00FC;ggelheim</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rahnsdorf</border>
         <border>Gr&#x00FC;nau</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;penick</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>516</smallx>
         <smally>396</smally>
         <largex>688</largex>
         <largey>519</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>K&#x00F6;penick</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rahnsdorf</border>
         <border>M&#x00FC;ggelheim</border>
         <border>Hellersdorf</border>
         <border>Marzahn</border>
         <border>Lichtenberg</border>
         <border>Treptow</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>483</smallx>
         <smally>315</smally>
         <largex>644</largex>
         <largey>411</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Hellersdorf</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Marzahn</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;penick</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>458</smallx>
         <smally>248</smally>
         <largex>610</largex>
         <largey>322</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Marzahn</name>
      <borders>
         <border>K&#x00F6;penick</border>
         <border>Hellersdorf</border>
         <border>Hohensch&#x00F6;nhausen</border>
         <border>Lichtenberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>417</smallx>
         <smally>217</smally>
         <largex>556</largex>
         <largey>281</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Lichtenberg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Marzahn</border>
         <border>Hohensch&#x00F6;nhausen</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;penick</border>
         <border>Friedrichshain</border>
         <border>Prenzlauer Berg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>386</smallx>
         <smally>283</smally>
         <largex>515</largex>
         <largey>369</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Treptow</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Gr&#x00FC;nau</border>
         <border>K&#x00F6;penick</border>
         <border>Friedrichshain</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>379</smallx>
         <smally>351</smally>
         <largex>505</largex>
         <largey>460</largey>


      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Gr&#x00FC;nau</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Treptow</border>
         <border>M&#x00FC;ggelheim</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>413</smallx>
         <smally>385</smally>
         <largex>551</largex>
         <largey>504</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Hohensch&#x00F6;nhausen</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Marzahn</border>
         <border>Lichtenberg</border>
         <border>Prenzlauer Berg</border>
         <border>Wei&#x00DF;ensee</border>
      </borders>
      <bombardments>
         <bombardment>Wedding</bombardment>
         <bombardment>Moabit</bombardment>
         <bombardment>Kreuzberg</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>376</smallx>
         <smally>184</smally>
         <largex>502</largex>
         <largey>238</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Wei&#x00DF;ensee</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Hohensch&#x00F6;nhausen</border>
         <border>Prenzlauer Berg</border>
         <border>Buch</border>
         <border>Pankow</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>331</smallx>
         <smally>142</smally>
         <largex>442</largex>
         <largey>182</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Buch</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Pankow</border>
         <border>Wei&#x00DF;ensee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>348</smallx>
         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>464</largex>
         <largey>102</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Pankow</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Buch</border>
         <border>Prenzlauer Berg</border>
         <border>Wei&#x00DF;ensee</border>
         <border>Wedding</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>267</smallx>
         <smally>123</smally>
         <largex>356</largex>
         <largey>156</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Prenzlauer Berg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Pankow</border>
         <border>Mitte</border>
         <border>Wei&#x00DF;ensee</border>
         <border>Hohensch&#x00F6;nhausen</border>
         <border>Lichtenberg</border>
         <border>Friedrichshain</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>334</smallx>
         <smally>212</smally>
         <largex>446</largex>
         <largey>275</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Friedrichshain</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Mitte</border>
         <border>Lichtenberg</border>
         <border>Treptow</border>
         <border>Prenzlauer Berg</border>
         <border>Kreuzberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>322</smallx>
         <smally>236</smally>
         <largex>429</largex>
         <largey>306</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Mitte</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Prenzlauer Berg</border>
         <border>Friedrichshain</border>
         <border>Moabit</border>
         <border>Kreuzberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>292</smallx>
         <smally>240</smally>
         <largex>390</largex>
         <largey>312</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Kreuzberg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Neuk&#x00F6;len</border>
         <border>Tempelhof</border>
         <border>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</border>
         <border>Mitte</border>
         <border>Friedrichshain</border>
         <border>Tiergarten</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>263</smallx>
         <smally>269</smally>
         <largex>351</largex>
         <largey>351</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Neuk&#x00F6;len</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kreuzberg</border>
         <border>Tempelhof</border>
         <border>Britz-Rudow</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Britz-Rudow</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Tempelhof</border>
         <border>Neuk&#x00F6;len</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Tempelhof</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Neuk&#x00F6;len</border>
         <border>Kreuzberg</border>
         <border>Britz-Rudow</border>
         <border>Marienfelde</border>
         <border>Steglitz</border>
         <border>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
      <neutral>3</neutral>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Marienfelde</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Tempelhof</border>
         <border>Steglitz</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Steglitz</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Marienfelde</border>
         <border>Tempelhof</border>
         <border>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</border>
         <border>Dahlem</border>
         <border>Zehlendorf</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kreuzberg</border>
         <border>Tempelhof</border>
         <border>Steglitz</border>
         <border>Dahlem</border>
         <border>Tiergarten</border>
         <border>Wilmersdorf</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Dahlem</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Wilmersdorf</border>
         <border>Grunewald</border>
         <border>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</border>
         <border>Steglitz</border>
         <border>Zehlendorf</border>
         <border>Nikolasee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Zehlendorf</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Dahlem</border>
         <border>Steglitz</border>
         <border>Nikolasee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Nikolasee</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Zehlendorf</border>
         <border>Dahlem</border>
         <border>Grunewald</border>
         <border>Wannsee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Wannsee</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Nikolasee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Gatow</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Westend</border>
         <border>Spandau</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
      <neutral>3</neutral>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Spandau</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Gatow</border>
         <border>Siemenstadt</border>
         <border>Heiligensee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Siemenstadt</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Spandau</border>
         <border>Charlottenburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Westend</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Grunewald</border>
         <border>Gatow</border>
         <border>Spandau</border>
         <border>Charlottenburg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Charlottenburg</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Grunewald</border>
         <border>Tiergarten</border>
         <border>Westend</border>
         <border>Moabit</border>
         <border>Siemenstadt</border>
         <border>Wilmersdorf</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Grunewald</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Wilmersdorf</border>
         <border>Westend</border>
         <border>Charlottenburg</border>
         <border>Nikolasee</border>
         <border>Dahlem</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Wilmersdorf</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Charlottenburg</border>
         <border>Dahlem</border>
         <border>Tiergarten</border>
         <border>Grunewald</border>
         <border>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
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      <name>Tiergarten</name>
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         <border>Sch&#x00F6;neberg</border>
         <border>Kreuzberg</border>
         <border>Wilmersdorf</border>
         <border>Charlottenburg</border>
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         <smally></smally>
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         <border>Charlottenburg</border>
         <border>Wedding</border>
         <border>Mitte</border>
      </borders>
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         <smallx>535</smallx>
         <smally>225</smally>
         <largex>732</largex>
         <largey>293</largey>
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         <border>Pankow</border>
         <border>Reinickendorf</border>
         <border>Tegel</border>
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         <smally></smally>
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   <territory>
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      <borders>
         <border>Wedding</border>
         <border>Tegel</border>
         <border>Heiligensee</border>
         <border>Frohnau</border>
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         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
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   <territory>
      <name>Frohnau</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Reinickendorf</border>
         <border>Heiligensee</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
      </coordinates>
   </territory>
   <territory>
      <name>Tegel</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Heiligensee</border>
         <border>Reinickendorf</border>
         <border>Wedding</border>
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         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
         <largey></largey>
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   <territory>
      <name>Heiligensee</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Frohnau</border>
         <border>Reinickendorf</border>
         <border>Spandau</border>
         <border>Tegel</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx></smallx>
         <smally></smally>
         <largex></largex>
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Posted: **Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:15 am**

quench

belch.

Posted: **Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:52 am**

reverend_kyle wrote:quench

belch.

Well Final Forge anyway. I'll need to see if cairnswk and Andy agree though.

Posted: **Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:29 am**

Coleman wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:quench

belch.

Well Final Forge anyway. I'll need to see if cairnswk and Andy agree though.

Coleman, i won't hold this up from FF. I am happy with it.
The only thing i would like to see in the next update if possible is a fraction more darkness/clarity applied to the small map legend. I think it would help people reading it, particularly the first three lines.
Great work Oaktown.

Posted: **Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:09 pm**

Coleman wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:quench

belch.

Well Final Forge anyway. I'll need to see if cairnswk and Andy agree though.

I'd say once the XML is sorted out that it should be quenched. The gameplay and graphics up to this point are completely solid and well thought-out, with plenty of input and debate from everyone on almost all the subjects.

But meh. Final Forge definitely.

Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:05 am**

Coleman wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:quench

belch.

Well Final Forge anyway. I'll need to see if cairnswk and Andy agree though.

I see no needed changes, period.

quench.

Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:22 am**

Once the army are centered and potential xml hiccups dealt with, I completely concur.

Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:32 am**

Little changes to make some text easier to read.

I've started the army centering... as always it's a pain in the ass.

There are no outstanding XML problems... checks out with no errors.

While I appreciate the support, let's reserve the "quench it" remarks until AFTER the map is final forged... no need to jinx it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:43 am**

I think this is cool. the total lack of colure adds interest. Go for it!!!

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:14 pm**

Final Forge

---The Berlin 1961 Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. I've revived this thread from the pits of the Foundry furnace and have exmined the contents. Nearly every major concern has been addressed. If there are any other current concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

Post questions and concerns if any.

--Andy

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:23 pm**

congratz $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

well donr oaktown

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:37 pm**

gimil wrote:congratz $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

well donr oaktown

fastposted. :lol:

congrats.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:09 pm**

oaktown wrote:
Incandenza wrote:I'd say you might want to de-grunge the Wannsee and Muggelheim territory names a bit, but other than that, it's all good.

Sure, why not... fixed a few other little things as well, but nothing anybody will probably catch (no this isn't a challenge). Wannsee is still a bit muddy, so I'll hit it again with the next update.

As for adding color and the way the bonuses are as they are, I refer both soundout and asl80 back to pages 1-11 of this thread. How true is the scale? Well, imagine this is an image of a map spread out on a table before the commanders of the western forces in berlin and it might work.

I dont like to use my imagination :wink:

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:11 pm**

But i dont know what you did from the time i said it needed color to know but um well theres at least enough difference in color that i can tell what is what so congrats! and i can wait to play this map

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:03 pm**

I think that yours army shadows is small. Can you try to yours small version enlarge to max px size,because names is very small.
Also i think that continent borders must be black not white.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:11 pm**

i agree with qwert on making the small map to the max size. it's currently very hard to read names and the legend.
but i don't really care that much since i won't play the small version.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:12 pm**

qwert wrote:I think that yours army shadows is small. Can you try to yours small version enlarge to max px size,because names is very small.

Small map is max size... 600 pix wide. I've been concerned about the small map size myself, and so I'm going to be playing with making the actual playing area larger with the map frame. I've thought it out but haven't had time to actually get in and fuss with it.

And thanks for the congrats as well as everyone's past comments... getting thoughtful feedback has certainly helped the map move along so quickly.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:58 pm**

oaktown wrote:While I appreciate the support, let's reserve the "quench it" remarks until AFTER the map is final forged... no need to jinx it.

Ok, quench it.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:52 am**

It's late and I'm tired, but here's what I'm trying to do to make the small map more readable: lose some of the dead space around the map to increase the amount of space devoted to actual playing area. I fussed with the outer boundaries a bit and knocked the large map down to 763 x 583 without altering the playable area, which means when I resize to 600 pix wide the change is less drastic.

It's a bit better already, and I'll play with it another time when I'm more awake. Army coordinates will have to wait until I'm happy with the size.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:01 am**

It looks great Oaktown!
Congratz with final forge :wink:

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:05 am**

gratz with ff

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:57 am**

played around again... this makes the small map size 80% of the large map, rather than the original 75%. New L map 750 x 580, new S map 600 x 464.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:39 am**

And here is a version with some army counts that I had floating around... this is intended as an example of how the numbers fit, NOT how they are aligned. If the small circles look big enough to anybody who is good enough to respond, I will proceed with alignment.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:49 pm**

i thought u were suppose to try it with 88, but looks good to me. u also have to try triple digits too.

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Berlin 1961 [Quenched]