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Also Aage... You completely busted my setup ):
You even got Storr's role right about being a traitor.
It was activated either with the day visit of Streaker, or by recruitment action from Wing.
I was also worried as a mod about the lack of decent fake claims within the setup. I considered throwing Loial as a fake claim, (which I should have done), but wanted the size of the game to be 14. In retrospect I could have put some of the villagers in as town, but they don't have much impact on the story.
Also because this game w.as limited to the EotW book, at that time Nynaeve does not like Moraine, and is only trying to get the Boys/Egwene back..
IB you read way too much into flavor on your role. Which was somewhat amusing.
I need to do something about the day actions though. In most cases the people who had actual results were either the 3 Ta'vern or specific role interactions based on the characters. There were many null results because I didn't want to make it so that Scum only wouldn't have any day results and thus be easily spotted. I'll see what I can do to get the full information out there, but that could be difficult over the next few days.

Yeah it was me, Wing. I got super lucky D1 with my day action to visit Iron Butterfly, which made us masons since our characters are connected in the story. My role was a doc role, and I protected IB every night actually, since he was the only one I was sure was town

Yeah so, i was never told i wasn't town. I was told i win with town, unless something contacts me. Which could have been a number of things.
So i was actually a "traitor" But i had the choice then to town side, which then really really screwed with the game balance.


How ever, since i wasn't told i was 3p, and lack of detail in role pm i don't think i should have ever flipped as 3p.



Interested to see all roles in the game, I'm going with mafia had really really really terrible claims. Game was probably unwindable for them from the start. Even if i had decided to mafia side. Just never made any sense for me to after having to out myself and my role day 1. I mean i never named claimed (for obvious reasons), but because of lack of information of what my role was, and not being told right away that i did trade with someone i was forced to out.

honestly its a pitty wing had to die like that, 100% death due to flavor.

Im still baffled that endgame was town, (i know 2 of his shots happened when he didn't do it) but the lack of early claim on what his role was, + being an unlimited vig (which is just way to strong in a small game, take a look when IB was vig a while back) Just to op. Just gives town twice the chance to lynch/kill mafia while mafia are limited to one night kill.

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah it was me, Wing. I got super lucky D1 with my day action to visit Iron Butterfly, which made us masons since our characters are connected in the story. My role was a doc role, and I protected IB every night actually, since he was the only one I was sure was town

You won the game for town.

If IB had died, that would be cop dead. And also I could run with the theory that rejecting recruitment would act as a poison kill! And then recruit you all. But alas IB started "clearing" the scummier players and I was running out of mislynches to run with. Wish he had checked me as I dont think I would have shown up as tainted.

I'm very curious what Mydraal was capable of, and what all the roles were in fact. But no rush on that Rish.

Honestly its really dumb to do a flavor game, and have certain people be auto confirmed as town. You have to mix up major characters as fake claims, or just randomly role mafia and state that flavor is flavor. Other wise, i can't see any world where mass claiming just straight up ends the game for mafia.

Its likely streaker could have lived if he had "rand" claim, or something else strong, but when you wiki'd his character, and its a small thing, compared to every major character, its probably fake.

aage, you likely could have added a few tiny interactions that didn't mean much on the grand scale. mason for one night (instead of perma mason), lover interaction for a phase, player learns a little flavor, etc.

If you do use traitor again, you can't allow it to be option able imo. Needs to be blunt, and can't actually town side to win. having it show up as town before recruited is fine. (even death) It should never flip as 3p, because it isn't. Traitor can straight up lose too, if it fails to be recruited. Telling mafia is w/e, but I nearly claimed my role and asked to be killed on day 2. Just so i could prevent that option from happening. I decided against it because its kinda dick thing to do to mafia, and its plain boring to die like that.

also, haters gonna hate hate hate
when me and tambo town town town

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah it was me, Wing. I got super lucky D1 with my day action to visit Iron Butterfly, which made us masons since our characters are connected in the story. My role was a doc role, and I protected IB every night actually, since he was the only one I was sure was town

You won the game for town.

If IB had died, that would be cop dead. And also I could run with the theory that rejecting recruitment would act as a poison kill! And then recruit you all. But alas IB started "clearing" the scummier players and I was running out of mislynches to run with. Wish he had checked me as I dont think I would have shown up as tainted.

I'm very curious what Mydraal was capable of, and what all the roles were in fact. But no rush on that Rish.

i don't think you had a chance. Even with ib dead it isn't a big deal, we had a vig with unlimited shots, and your only option to really do something was to recruit me which wasn't happening. I mean, aage waltzing right in to wreck everything flavor was really funny. Additionally even if you did recruit me, i was dead soon, (i was told the next day, i was going to be able to hand out cop checks anyways) I mean, i honestly couldn't be alive much more than what i was alive for. I wasn't going to be able to claim something that wasn't going to get lynched, so as soon as i was forced (which would have been that day most likely after handing out cop checks), to claim i die.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Its Mtam's unconditional trust of Storr which turned out to be false.

wrong

GG all. There were a few times after I died that I really wanted to point things out but couldn't. But yeah, I agree that the mafia should have stronger fake claims. I also feel like we got too distracted with day activities, after all. I also feel like Wing was shaping flavour after I died, so kudos to aage for stepping in!

@Storr - yeah, claiming would have been bad for you. And recruitment only worked on you? That's kind of a weird way for the game to go.

Marashu wrote: I also feel like Wing was shaping flavour after I died, so kudos to aage for stepping in!

I was doing that before you died But yes that was why you died for me, set you up from the first post of the game... Mtam was right...

Wing you had me fooled but I think only in specific circumstances would mafia win. But first my role PM

Hello Iron Butterfly, you are Moraine Sedai. Your original name of Moraine Damodred has long since been forgotten, and you have been sent on a search by the Amyrlin to find the Dragon Reborn. Your search has brought you to the Two Rivers, where you found not one but three Ta'vern, and women with much potential.
Day Action: You may visit any person during the day. (This may have effects on your night action.)
Night Action: You may determine if the Shadow holds over one person during the night. You are Aes Sedai and have skills that tell you of Shadowspawn, or those over whom the Dark one holds great sway.
You win if the Light defeats the Shadow.

As you can see,or please correct me if I am wrong, but my role and day actions seemed ambiguous. I read the part about ..."Where you found not one but three Tavvern, and women with much potential." When Mars flippedI assumed I was looking for one of the girls.

I also assumed that the Dark One would be God Father.

But yeh Luck played a big part day and night one. We lynched mafia and Mets day action made us a mason pair. I had my cop role.He also had a wonderful protection role. I was trying to draw fire of mafia and it seemed to work. As long as he protected me I all but went... nah nah nah without seeming to.

The reason I believed Wing was God Father?? Gawd...How could Town have a Mason Pair that could play follow the cop the way we did AND have a role such as END. If Mets had not mason hit me I would not have been as forth coming with information or as blatant....though...

Being able to resist Wings recruitment hurt Wing...I am curious what would have happened if I excepted?

But the whole day thing I screwed up...In the End If Agee had not made it right through flavor I would have screwed it up with my theory. Gawd.

This was a weird game for me...But I never suspected wing as mafia so good job to him he played it very well.

Yeah, sorry about my flavour stampede. On one hand I was really afraid that I was completely off with my flavour analysis, since the actual argument was all based off of IB's role pm flavour references. I feared that we were reading waaaay too much into that. On the other hand, I was really afraid that I had actually cracked the setup which would make for a not very fun game. So, I'm sorry @ everyone (and especially Rish&Wing) for kind of breaking the game this way.

What I usually do in flavour games is leave room in the "main characters" group for mafia fake claims, otherwise the claim game is too easy for town. Epi did this really well in HP mafia for example. Since that was such a recent game I should have been wary of strong fake claims for the mafia... but Streaker's day 1 fake claim was so obviously bad that I kind of assumed mafia got shit fake claims.

Wing did very well, I don't recollect where I picked up a scum vibe in his posts but it was during day 1. I second-guessed that first scum read on him so often. Still, the way he responded to my posts confirmed to me game-wise what I suspected based on flavour - that he was maf.


Also, my role PM never said I was town. Did anyone else's?

mtamburini wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

mtamburini wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Thats it? You put more effort into your threat to vote for me.

Sigh, whats the friggin point.

Its pretty obvious you're scum if no one really picks up on it I will go into detail.

Please go into detail.

Wing is scum with potter, he discussed that potter is being replaced which is something that no town person would know based on the things happening in game.

LOL so you were proved to be correct. A good thing it was posted elsewhere though. The game over before it started.

aage wrote:Also, my role PM never said I was town. Did anyone else's?

Nope - mine only had my name in blue and told me I won if the journey succeeded (along with a brief description about Egwene that I already knew).

I had mitch figured out for Rand D1, because of the way he was talking about the winespring inn, and how he was talking about the rider in black. As for Streaker's fakeclaim, I probably would have even believed some really weak fakeclaims like Cenn Buie, or odd fakeclaims like Bela, before Haral Luhhan. The real thing that did it for me, though, was figuring that mafia wouldn't know that there were VT roles. At that point I couldn't reveal that about myself, but I figured it was super weird that Egwene would be VT but Master Luhhan was a RB.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

mtamburini wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

mtamburini wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Thats it? You put more effort into your threat to vote for me.

Sigh, whats the friggin point.

Its pretty obvious you're scum if no one really picks up on it I will go into detail.

Please go into detail.

Wing is scum with potter, he discussed that potter is being replaced which is something that no town person would know based on the things happening in game.

LOL so you were proved to be correct. A good thing it was posted elsewhere though. The game over before it started.

Not quite, Mets was closer with his read of that first post, discussing flavour to set up Mars at a later stage of the game. The Potter stuff was completely genuine and not alignment at all.

Marashu wrote:

aage wrote:Also, my role PM never said I was town. Did anyone else's?

Nope - mine only had my name in blue and told me I won if the journey succeeded (along with a brief description about Egwene that I already knew).

I had mitch figured out for Rand D1, because of the way he was talking about the winespring inn, and how he was talking about the rider in black. As for Streaker's fakeclaim, I probably would have even believed some really weak fakeclaims like Cenn Buie, or odd fakeclaims like Bela, before Haral Luhhan. The real thing that did it for me, though, was figuring that mafia wouldn't know that there were VT roles. At that point I couldn't reveal that about myself, but I figured it was super weird that Egwene would be VT but Master Luhhan was a RB.

We had a range of fakeclaims which also included Elayne Trakand. Streaker took the worst fakeclaim we had, probably cause he knew he was dead sooner or later anyway.

good game thanks for everythng

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Tal, your action is simple. Defend the cop. Up to you how you do that, and you can choose defend others if you want to try and second guess mafia.

Did anyone notice this? I told the "Deprogrammer" to perma-target IB who was known to not be cult...

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deprogrammer

[spoiler=RolePMs]Hello WingCommanderGinkapo, you are Baal'zamon. The Heart of the Dark in the Trolloc tongue. For many this name is associated with the Great Lord himself. You stalk the dreams of people and show them what you want. You have many choices in what to do with your night actions.
Day Action: Visit anyone alive. (This can effect what you can do during the night.)
Night Actions:
1.You may give nightmares (Roleblock) and kill one person.
2. You may give nightmares to 3 people, but not kill.
3. You may give nightmares to 2 people and send an anonymous recruitment request, but not kill.
You win when the Shadow equals the number of people in the Light.

Hello Streaker, you are a Myrddral. Creations from the War of Power after the Bore, you serve the Chosen. This time you have been sent to seek the Dragon Reborn, and stop him with whatever means necessary. Your orders come from Baal'zamon (WingCommanderGinkapo).
Day Action: Visit anyone alive. (This can effect what you can do during the night.)
Only 2x in the Night you may have an unblockable kill.
You win when the Shadow equals the number of people in the Light.

Hello Potters Edge, you are Padan Fain. A peddler on the outside you have sworn oaths to the Great Lord. However you are free to do as you will until he calls upon you.
Day Action: You may visit anyone alive. (This can effect what you can do during the night.)
If anyone visits you they can buy Items from you in exchange for their vote that day.
Night Action:None
You win if the Light prevails.

Hello mtamburini, you are Mat Cauthon. Often in trouble, a rascal by nature and best friends with Perrin and Rand you are always either up to mischief or about to be. You do however keep your word, and never go back on promises. Underneath you have a deep respect for life, and would just like to have a fun youth.
Day Action: You may visit anyone alive. (This can effect what you can do during the night.)
Night Action: None
You win if the journey is successful.

Hello endgame422, you are Elyas Machera. You speak with wolves and are known to them by the name of Long Tooth. Long ago you used to be a Warder until a Red Sister suspected you of being a man who could channel. Then you had to flee, and in the process killed a few other Warders. However your golden eyes and senses have gotten much better by being a Wolfbrother.
Day Action: You may visit anyone alive. (This may have effects on your Night Action.)
Night Action: You may choose a person to observe and see who visits them in the night.
You win if this part of the Last Hunt is successful.

Hello dd515087 aage, you are Lolial son of Arent. Leaving your stedding at a young age you desired adventure and seeing the world. What you found was something else. You are desirous to write a book, but for the most part you were stuck inside an inn because people were unused to seeing Ogier.
Day Action: You may either: Observe to see who somebody visits during the day, or visit someone yourself during the day. (This could have effects on your night action.)
Night Action: None
You win if you prevent the Shadow from prevailing.

Hello virus90, you are the Green Man. You reside at the Eye of the World, because of an oath to those during the War of Power. There are many who cannot reach you, and some who need to visit you. Yet those who seek you for glory or fame will never find you.
Day Action: You may visit anyone alive. (This may affect your night action)
Night Action: You may Commute every other night. (You may choose not to commute)
You win if you live to carry out your duties.

Hello Madmitch, you are Rand Al'Thor. Son of Tam Al'Thor. Your mother died early and your father raised you back in the Two Rivers. Fast friends with Mat and Perrin you have been pulled into Mat's pranks sometimes, and the rest of the time try to spend it with Egwene.
Day Actions: You may visit someone during the day. (This may have effects on your night action.)
Night Action: None
You win if your journey is successful.

Hello Hotshot53, you are Perrin Ayabara. An apprentice blacksmith to Master Luhan, you work the smithy when he is not away. Soft spoken and gentle words are contrasted with a well built bulky frame. Your best friends are Rand and Mat, and while Mat always seems to find something fun to do he also drags you into trouble sometimes.
Day Action: You may visit someone during the day. (This may affect your night action.)
Night Action: None
You win if the journey is successful.
Hello GotTonkaed Endgame V 2.0, you are Thom Merrilin. A gleeman by trade, you are well aged in years. You have a colorful patched gleemans cloak and an equally colorful past. You have knowledge of many things not just the tales of the Hunters of the Horn and juggling. You recently came to the Two Rivers for the Festival of Bel Tine.
Day Action: You may visit a person during the day. (This may affect your night action.)
Night Action: As a gleeman with a talent for many things you may choose one of three options during the night. You may swap two people cleverly, distract one person with your tales, or flip a knife into a person during the night.
You win if the Light still shines in the end.

Hello Talapus, you are Nynaeve Al'Miera. One of the youngest Wisdoms the Two Rivers have ever known, you can usually read the weather and are well trusted because of it. As the Wisdom you are very influential in the Women's Circle and matters of the Town. Well trained in herbs and the like you are relied upon when someone becomes sick in the area.
Day Actions: You may visit one person during the day. (This may have effects on your night action.)
Night Action: You may visit somebody to check up on their health and give the proper aid if they are wounded or sick.
You win if the Light prevails over the Shadow.

Hello Metsfanmax, you are Lan Mandragoran. Lord of the Seven Towers, King of Malkier. You are a Warder to Moraine Sedai, her protector and sometimes her advisor. You are a blademaster, and have been engrained with the teachings of the Bordlerlands. For you Death is lighter than a feather, and duty heavier than a mountain.
Day Action: You may visit one person during the day. (This may affect your night action.)
Night Action: You may protect one person from the actions of others during the night. You will not die from this. (You will still die if you are targeted, and you cannot protect yourself.)
You win when the Light is victorious over the Dark One.

Hello Iron Butterfly, you are Moraine Sedai. Your original name of Moraine Damodred has long since been forgotten, and you have been sent on a search by the Amyrlin to find the Dragon Reborn. Your search has brought you to the Two Rivers, where you found not one but three Ta'vern, and women with much potential.
Day Action: You may visit any person during the day. (This may have effects on your night action.)
Night Action: You may determine if the Shadow holds over one person during the night. You are Aes Sedai and have skills that tell you of Shadowspawn, or those over whom the Dark one holds great sway.
You win if the Light defeats the Shadow.

Hello Marashu, you are Egwene Al'Viere. Daughter of Bran Al'Viere, you are the mayors daughter. Growing up all your life in the Two Rivers, you apprenticed yourself under Nynaeve Al'Miera. You have been close with Rand Al'Thor all your life, and have a growing interest and affection for him.
Day Actions: You may visit one person during the day. (This can have effects on your night action.)
Night Action: None
You win if the journey succeeds.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=DayActions]Day Actions if Visited:
Baal'zamon-Myrddrall (Observe) get sent to them at night in addition to other actions.
Myrddrall- Nothing happens, but sees day visitors.
Moraine Sedai-Egwene(path opened and becomes immune to nightmares), Lan Becomes Mason'ed
Lan- Rand/Perrin (Bodyguard unlocked for that night will not die) Nynaeve unlocks Tracker for the night.(Vengeful Lovers) Moraine- becomes Mason'd
Thom Merrilin- (Mat 1-shot Vig, Rand Extra Day Visit), Myrddrall
Padan Fain- Myrdrall Turned into Mafia, "Items" may be "bought" in exchange for vote.
D1-Commuter D2-Roleblock D3-Vig D4-Doc D5-Cop
Green Man-If Lolial Visits and Green Man is "killed" he will be stumped instead of truly dying.
Elyas- Perrin gets perk of seeing who visits him during the day/night cycles.
Nynaeve- Lan Visits (Vengeful Lovers)
1. 10.Endgame422- Elyas
2. 4.mtamburini- Mat Cauthon
3. 2.Streaker- Myrddral
4. 11.dd515087- Lolial
5. 1.virus90- Green Man
6. 5.madmitch- Rand Al'Thor
7. 7.Hotshot53- Perrin Ayabara
8. 9.GotTonkaed- Thom Merrilin
9. 3.WingcommanderGinkapo- Baal'zamon
10. 14.Talapus- Nynaeve Al'Miera
11. 12.Metsfanmax- Lan Mandragoran
12. 13.Iron Butterfly- Moraine Sedai
13. 6.PottersEdge Storr- Padan Fain
14. 8.Marashu- Egwene Al'Viere
D1:
Endgame Visits Streaker (Myrddral)
virus90 visits WCmdrG (Baal'zamon)
IB visits mtamburini (Cauthon)
Got Tonkaed visits PottersEdge Storr (Fain)
WCmdr G Visits Mets (Lan)
Storr Visits Marashu (Egwene)
madmitch visits Storr (Fain) (bought)
Hotshot53 visits Storr (Fain) (Bought)
dd515 visits WCmdrG (Baal'zamon)
Mets Visits IB (Moraine)
Marashu visits Talapus(Nynaeve)
Talapus visits Got Tonkaed (Thom)
D2:
Marashu visits Madmitch (Rand)
IB visits Marashu (Egwene)
Madmitch visits WCG (Ba'alzamon
virus90 visits Talapus (Nynaeve)
Got Tonkaed visits WingCmdr (Ba'alzamon)
Storr Visits mtamb (Mat Cauthon)
Wing Visits Storr (accepts)
Hotshot Visits WCmdr (Ba'alzamon
Mets visits Storr (declines)
Talapus Visits WingCmdr (Ba'alzamon)
D3:
Mtamb visits Storr (Fain)
Madmitch visits virus( Green Man)
Storr visits Mtamb (Cauthon)
Mets visits WingCmdr (Ba'alzamon)
IB visits Mitch (Rand)
Talapus visits IB (Moraine)
Wing visits Storr (Fain)
virus visits IB (Moraine)
Hotshot visits Virus90
Endgame v 2.0 visits Madmitch (Rand)
D4
Mets visits Mtamb (Cauthon)
madmitch visits IB (Moraine)
Endgame visits IB (Moraine)
Aage watches Talapus (Goes to IB)
wing visits Madmitch
IB visits Madmitch (Rand)
Talapus visits IB
mtamb visits mets[/spoiler]
[spoiler=NightActions]EoW Night actions:
N1:
Endgame Watch WingCmdr
gotTonkaed kills Endgame
Tal Doc Storr
Wing RB Endgame, Hotshot
Wing attempts IB recruitment (Rejected)
IB cops Talapus (innocent)
Mets Protects IB
Hotshot commutes
Madmitch commutes.
virus not commute.
N2:
Wing Kills IB RB's Tal
Got Tonkaed Kills Virus90 (fails)
Virus90 Commutes
mets protects IB
IB cops DD (innocent)
N3:
Wing Kills Hotshot and RB's IB (fail RB)
Endgame Busses self with Storr
Talapus Protects IB
Mtamb Shoots End (Storr)
Mets Protects IB
IB investigates Mtamb[/spoiler]

Nice job on the win condition phrasing. In hindsight the balance is actually okay except for two things: fake claims and Lan's role. It's pretty overpowered once the cop claims. Good job on this game.

aage wrote:Nice job on the win condition phrasing. In hindsight the balance is actually okay except for two things: fake claims and Lan's role. It's pretty overpowered once the cop claims. Good job on this game.

I agree on the fake claims. Thats one regret i have about this game.

aage wrote:Nice job on the win condition phrasing. In hindsight the balance is actually okay except for two things: fake claims and Lan's role. It's pretty overpowered once the cop claims. Good job on this game.

Indeed. This is the first time I have seen Streakers role PM. All I knew was that my powers were strong and that he was my servant. I assumed that he would be relatively weak. Oh how wrong I was. I needed him.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

aage wrote:Nice job on the win condition phrasing. In hindsight the balance is actually okay except for two things: fake claims and Lan's role. It's pretty overpowered once the cop claims. Good job on this game.

Indeed. This is the first time I have seen Streakers role PM. All I knew was that my powers were strong and that he was my servant. I assumed that he would be relatively weak. Oh how wrong I was. I needed him.

I had made both of you relatively strong with each other. Streaker couldn't accomplish everything on his own, but neither could you. Both of you were relatively strong b/c of town strength and weak fake claims...

Rare occurrence this, but a N0 mafia chat would have been useful.

Don't vote me please, my entire case on wing was flavour, my actual game play was below average.