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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:30 pm
by 2dimes
Mirak wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Sin is anything that is against Gods way. I was just having a converstaion about this, last night. Everyone sins, Christians included. I was thinking that 70 or so years of commiting sin is not a long time compared to the eternity in Hell paying for that sin. So, I could be wrong but a thought crossed my mind, although we should refrain from sinning, it is the rejection of God that sends us to Hell. Because its a choice... "Believe in me and follow me and if you ask me for forgiveness of your sin, I will. But if you reject me you can not have forgiveness of sin and you will live apart from me by your choice in Hell." Gods desire is that none of us go to Hell. He doesn't want to be rejected but He has given us the ability to choose.
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:35 pm
by vtmarik
2dimes wrote:I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Sounds like a pretty apt analogy to me.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:37 pm
by jay_a2j
2dimes wrote:
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
I like your creativity. Putting it into an easy to understand comparasin.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:56 pm
by 2dimes
Ok, good.
Now someone bring me some pizza.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:03 pm
by Mirak
2dimes wrote:Mirak wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Sin is anything that is against Gods way. I was just having a converstaion about this, last night. Everyone sins, Christians included. I was thinking that 70 or so years of commiting sin is not a long time compared to the eternity in Hell paying for that sin. So, I could be wrong but a thought crossed my mind, although we should refrain from sinning, it is the rejection of God that sends us to Hell. Because its a choice... "Believe in me and follow me and if you ask me for forgiveness of your sin, I will. But if you reject me you can not have forgiveness of sin and you will live apart from me by your choice in Hell." Gods desire is that none of us go to Hell. He doesn't want to be rejected but He has given us the ability to choose.
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Actually I am saying that the restaurant just isn't there...I'm sorry to disappoint you...but for those who believe it exists ...I'm pointing out that the menu, service, and quality is pretty poor...therefore by extention it cannot possibly be the undertaking of an infallible, all mighty, omnipotent being....hence such a thing does not exist...imho
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:07 pm
by 2dimes
So you're sitting here under the arches talking about the menu service, and quality?
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:09 pm
by Mirak
and I'm lovin' it
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:09 pm
by vtmarik
Mirak wrote:2dimes wrote:Mirak wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Sin is anything that is against Gods way. I was just having a converstaion about this, last night. Everyone sins, Christians included. I was thinking that 70 or so years of commiting sin is not a long time compared to the eternity in Hell paying for that sin. So, I could be wrong but a thought crossed my mind, although we should refrain from sinning, it is the rejection of God that sends us to Hell. Because its a choice... "Believe in me and follow me and if you ask me for forgiveness of your sin, I will. But if you reject me you can not have forgiveness of sin and you will live apart from me by your choice in Hell." Gods desire is that none of us go to Hell. He doesn't want to be rejected but He has given us the ability to choose.
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Actually I am saying that the restaurant just isn't there...I'm sorry to disappoint you...but for those who believe it exists ...I'm pointing out that the menu, service, and quality is pretty poor...therefore by extention it cannot possibly be the undertaking of an infallible, all mighty, omnipotent being....hence such a thing does not exist...imho
Permit me to overextend the metaphor...
What about the people that get paid by this restaurant? Is there money coming from a shell account or by the actual restaurant.
And those that come away from the restaurant well-fed and happy, are the just deluded or have amazingly low standards?
!
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:13 pm
by OnlyAmbrose
vtmarik wrote:Mirak wrote:2dimes wrote:Mirak wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Sin is anything that is against Gods way. I was just having a converstaion about this, last night. Everyone sins, Christians included. I was thinking that 70 or so years of commiting sin is not a long time compared to the eternity in Hell paying for that sin. So, I could be wrong but a thought crossed my mind, although we should refrain from sinning, it is the rejection of God that sends us to Hell. Because its a choice... "Believe in me and follow me and if you ask me for forgiveness of your sin, I will. But if you reject me you can not have forgiveness of sin and you will live apart from me by your choice in Hell." Gods desire is that none of us go to Hell. He doesn't want to be rejected but He has given us the ability to choose.
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Actually I am saying that the restaurant just isn't there...I'm sorry to disappoint you...but for those who believe it exists ...I'm pointing out that the menu, service, and quality is pretty poor...therefore by extention it cannot possibly be the undertaking of an infallible, all mighty, omnipotent being....hence such a thing does not exist...imho
Permit me to overextend the metaphor...
What about the people that get paid by this restaurant? Is there money coming from a shell account or by the actual restaurant.
And those that come away from the restaurant well-fed and happy, are the just deluded or have amazingly low standards?
The metaphor doesn't stretch that far 'cause you don't leave God's restaurant after you've gone in!
And no one gets paid. It's free food!
Re: !
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:15 pm
by vtmarik
OnlyAmbrose wrote:vtmarik wrote:Mirak wrote:2dimes wrote:Mirak wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Sin is anything that is against Gods way. I was just having a converstaion about this, last night. Everyone sins, Christians included. I was thinking that 70 or so years of commiting sin is not a long time compared to the eternity in Hell paying for that sin. So, I could be wrong but a thought crossed my mind, although we should refrain from sinning, it is the rejection of God that sends us to Hell. Because its a choice... "Believe in me and follow me and if you ask me for forgiveness of your sin, I will. But if you reject me you can not have forgiveness of sin and you will live apart from me by your choice in Hell." Gods desire is that none of us go to Hell. He doesn't want to be rejected but He has given us the ability to choose.
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Actually I am saying that the restaurant just isn't there...I'm sorry to disappoint you...but for those who believe it exists ...I'm pointing out that the menu, service, and quality is pretty poor...therefore by extention it cannot possibly be the undertaking of an infallible, all mighty, omnipotent being....hence such a thing does not exist...imho
Permit me to overextend the metaphor...
What about the people that get paid by this restaurant? Is there money coming from a shell account or by the actual restaurant.
And those that come away from the restaurant well-fed and happy, are the just deluded or have amazingly low standards?
The metaphor doesn't stretch that far 'cause you don't leave God's restaurant after you've gone in!
And no one gets paid. It's free food!
But what about support staff? Advertisers? Guys wearing sandwich boards on the sidewalk?
And if the people who believe in reincarnation are right, maybe we do leave the restaurant at some point.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:18 pm
by OnlyAmbrose
The great thing about the restaurant is that its owner doesn't have to pay for its advertisers. There's people like jay who do it for free!
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:22 pm
by Mirak
vtmarik wrote:Mirak wrote:2dimes wrote:Mirak wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Sin is anything that is against Gods way. I was just having a converstaion about this, last night. Everyone sins, Christians included. I was thinking that 70 or so years of commiting sin is not a long time compared to the eternity in Hell paying for that sin. So, I could be wrong but a thought crossed my mind, although we should refrain from sinning, it is the rejection of God that sends us to Hell. Because its a choice... "Believe in me and follow me and if you ask me for forgiveness of your sin, I will. But if you reject me you can not have forgiveness of sin and you will live apart from me by your choice in Hell." Gods desire is that none of us go to Hell. He doesn't want to be rejected but He has given us the ability to choose.
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
I don't know if I'm following this or not?
Jay's kind of saying "There's a restaurant that's offering all you can eat for free next friday, you just have to phone and tell them you're coming, then show up."
Mirak's reply is "Screw that place and it's free food. If they wanted to give me free food they'd deliver."
Actually I am saying that the restaurant just isn't there...I'm sorry to disappoint you...but for those who believe it exists ...I'm pointing out that the menu, service, and quality is pretty poor...therefore by extention it cannot possibly be the undertaking of an infallible, all mighty, omnipotent being....hence such a thing does not exist...imho
Permit me to overextend the metaphor...
What about the people that get paid by this restaurant? Is there money coming from a shell account or by the actual restaurant.
And those that come away from the restaurant well-fed and happy, are the just deluded or have amazingly low standards?
Yes you probably have overextended it and I shall continue...
Probably a bit deluded, but thats OK if they are happy and harmless...what they should'nt be doing is recommending the establishment in such absolute terms and totally ignoring all the food critics......and then telling you that you can't get in anyway unless you know the maitre'de
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:22 pm
by 2dimes
I figure as the analogy goes, you can't know anyone that's gone in because you can't come back.
Here's some bible stuff, I'm kind of copying. This is what some dude named Luke said Jesus said.
Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society wrote:
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:24 pm
by vtmarik
2dimes wrote:I figure as the analogy goes, you can't know anyone that's gone in because you can't come back.
Here's some bible stuff, I'm kind of copying. This is what some dude named Luke said Jesus said.
Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society wrote:
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
Moses was cool. His staff turned into a snake, he parted the red sea, and he managed to convince his followers during those 40 years in the desert that they weren't lost.
That's some cool stuff man!
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:28 pm
by mightyal
jay_a2j wrote:Mirak wrote:
If he wants to be recognised and loved why doesn't he just step forward....Why all the cloak and dagger...why act like a little girl who just got a crush on the boy next door...step forward introduce yourself and simply demonstrate that you are the almighty and problem over...
He did. Some 2000 years ago.
I lol'd.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:29 pm
by 2dimes
I like Moses too. You didn't even mention he got to go rafting as a baby.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:36 pm
by mightyal
The Krishnas's do a way better line in free food IMO. Better uniforms too.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:43 pm
by Backglass
And every so often, the general manager of this fine restaraunt gets busted for spending the earnings on gay prostitutes and methamphetamine.
You just can't find good help these days.
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:49 pm
by 2dimes
mightyal wrote:The Krishnas's do a way better line in free food IMO. Better uniforms too.
You don't like meat?
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:59 pm
by mightyal
2dimes wrote:mightyal wrote:The Krishnas's do a way better line in free food IMO. Better uniforms too.
You don't like meat?
<insert gay innuendo here>
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:35 am
by 2dimes
mightyal wrote:2dimes wrote:mightyal wrote:The Krishnas's do a way better line in free food IMO. Better uniforms too.
You don't like meat?
<insert gay innuendo here>
I'm still waiting for my Vegan Pizza.
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:11 pm
by jay_a2j
GOD IS
* and your pizza is on its way.
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:16 pm
by 2dimes
GOD IS
That's kind of ambiguous.
So are you thinking of trying to find the guys that were involved in the limb regeneration and hanging out with them?
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:54 pm
by jay_a2j
2dimes wrote:GOD IS
That's kind of ambiguous.
So are you thinking of trying to find the guys that were involved in the limb regeneration and hanging out with them?
I'd rather hang out with Jesus. Those two men are mere men who can do nothing apart from God.
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:58 pm
by 2dimes
So you don't think they hang out with Jesus then?