Land of the Free

[Burrito]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

[Burrito]

1. Yes, unless you think that situations are the same in both America and Canada. I'm not saying that there is no relation between this study and the situation in America, I'm saying that America and Canada are different, so these results probably aren't completely the same fro America.

My point is that the difference between the US and Canada is exactly what this study is talking about. At least in the broad lines. Sure, the US has problems which are unique to them but overall the findings in this study are translatable to the US.

2. It sounds to me like you are saying that the situation that someone grew up in is responsible for the crimes they commit, not themselves. They must be held accountable for whatever they do, not hide behind some psychological b.s. as an excuse for what they did. Yes, kids growing up in poor neighborhoods are more likely to commit crime, but that is not my problem. It is a failure both by them and their parents, and I am neither responsible nor willing to pay for those poor lifestyle choices that they have made.

This is an absurd stance to take. You admit that situations influence people but at the same time you're saying that they really don't. What Titanic and I are saying is not that the criminals shouldn't be held accountable for what they did, but that something should be done so that others don't follow exactly the same path.

They haven't made the lifestyle choice of being poor (or black for that matter), but your attitude judges them for it regardless so is it any wonder they end up doing what you judge them for?





I mean, unless you believe in the lol-worthy propaganda spread by the US as a whole (i.e. YOU CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT AND EVERYONE CAN DO STUFF AND SO ON AND LOL NOONE WOULD EVER BELIEVE THIS), you can't sit there and judge people and also not even try to help them even though you know that helping them would lower crime and make more people happy.

Sorry, I figured that you could have made some small inferences, and that I didn't have to spell everything out for you. What I meant was that STATISTICALLY they are more likely to commit crimes, but that is not my fault. If they commit a serious crime, they go to jail. It's that simple.

The reason that this is such a popular opinion is because IT IS TRUE. The government doesn't hold anyone back from doing anything within the confines of the law. There are no laws holding them back, only themselves. I judge people for what thye have done, and what they are capable of. If they are unwilling or unable to take care of themselves, I see little reason to help them out. But if they are willing to try to help themselves, I will help them as well.

[HapSmo19]

They haven't made the lifestyle choice of being poor (or black for that matter), but your attitude judges them for it regardless so is it any wonder they end up doing what you judge them for?

You idiot.

[Titanic]

You idiot.

Good response, you admitting defeat?

[notyou2]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

Ummm....you need to reread your history.

Canada is predominately English with a large French population. Large portions of the US were French territory stretching from Michigan to the Gulf of Mexico.

There are very few handguns in Canada, but there are many long guns. The US is about 10x the population of Canada.I don't know the numbers, but I would guess there are at least 20x as many guns and probably more, with a huge percentage of them being handguns. Handguns were only made to kill people. Long guns can be used for hunting and killing people but are much harder to conceal obviously.

[Snorri1234]

sorry, I figured that you could have made some small inferences, and that I didn't have to spell everything out for you. What I meant was that STATISTICALLY they are more likely to commit crimes, but that is not my fault. If they commit a serious crime, they go to jail. It's that simple.

Yeah but really that's unimportant.

This discussion is about how to make it STATISTICALLY less common for people to commit crimes. Noone is suggesting that people who commit crimes shouldn't be put in jail, just that reducing the number of people who commit crimes is a smart idea.

[Snorri1234]

They haven't made the lifestyle choice of being poor (or black for that matter), but your attitude judges them for it regardless so is it any wonder they end up doing what you judge them for?

You idiot.

Awesome counter-point there, happy.

[2dimes]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

Shhhh, don't tell him about the guys that settled most of northamerica then selling a bunch of it off in the Lousiana purchase.

[notyou2]

Too late.............

[HapSmo19]

They haven't made the lifestyle choice of being poor (or black for that matter), but your attitude judges them for it regardless so is it any wonder they end up doing what you judge them for?

You idiot.

Awesome counter-point there, happy.

I thought so. What you offered there is nothing but an excuse.

Tell me again though; when it comes to homosexuality, can you be born that way?

[Burrito]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

Shhhh, don't tell him about the guys that settled most of northamerica then selling a bunch of it off in the Lousiana purchase.

If you knew your history, you would know that the French, although they laid claim to much of the Midwest and Western parts of the current day U.S., they did mostly trapping there, not actually settling any of it, which is why there are few French influences there (i.e. French names for things). They did actually start towns and such on the present day Canadian east coast, and some farther inland.

[2dimes]

If you knew your history, you would know that the French, although they laid claim to much of the Midwest and Western parts of the current day U.S., they did mostly trapping there, not actually settling any of it, which is why there are few French influences there (i.e. French names for things). They did actually start towns and such on the present day Canadian east coast, and some farther inland.

That's pretty much what they did in Canada up to the rockies. So are we ignoring the cajuns? Just curious how deep denile's going to run here.

[Burrito]

If you knew your history, you would know that the French, although they laid claim to much of the Midwest and Western parts of the current day U.S., they did mostly trapping there, not actually settling any of it, which is why there are few French influences there (i.e. French names for things). They did actually start towns and such on the present day Canadian east coast, and some farther inland.

That's pretty much what they did in Canada up to the rockies. So are we ignoring the cajuns? Just curious how deep denile's going to run here.

Yes, however the U.S. and Canada developed as two separate, semi-rival countries, both starting form the east coast. Canada had primarily french influences, and the U.S. had more British influences.

I don't know how deep de Nile runs, assuming that you are improperly spelling "the" and referring to the river in Africa. Oh you meant denial? Well, I couldn't gather that from your post.

[notyou2]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

Shhhh, don't tell him about the guys that settled most of northamerica then selling a bunch of it off in the Lousiana purchase.

If you knew your history, you would know that the French, although they laid claim to much of the Midwest and Western parts of the current day U.S., they did mostly trapping there, not actually settling any of it, which is why there are few French influences there (i.e. French names for things). They did actually start towns and such on the present day Canadian east coast, and some farther inland.

I live on the east coast in the only officially bilingual city in the only officially bilingual province. Quebec is predominately French. ALL the other nine provinces are predominately English. New Brunswick is 60% English and 40% French and is the closest you will find in Canada of a cultural mix near 50%.

Both the English and French predominately trapped west of southern Ontario and Ohio. So, do you think Detroit is an English name? Baton Rouge? I expect Little Rock Arkansas was originally called Petit Roche. I don't understand how you can say that Canada was mostly settled by the French? The French probably had a bigger influence as explorers in the early years of the colonization of North America, but that ended in the mid 1700's in all of North America.

[2dimes]

Same way he couldn't gather something he wrote out in a sentence.

[muy_thaiguy]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

Shhhh, don't tell him about the guys that settled most of northamerica then selling a bunch of it off in the Lousiana purchase.

If you knew your history, you would know that the French, although they laid claim to much of the Midwest and Western parts of the current day U.S., they did mostly trapping there, not actually settling any of it, which is why there are few French influences there (i.e. French names for things). They did actually start towns and such on the present day Canadian east coast, and some farther inland.

I live on the east coast in the only officially bilingual city in the only officially bilingual province. Quebec is predominately French. ALL the other nine provinces are predominately English. New Brunswick is 60% English and 40% French and is the closest you will find in Canada of a cultural mix near 50%.

Both the English and French predominately trapped west of southern Ontario and Ohio. So, do you think Detroit is an English name? Baton Rouge? I expect Little Rock Arkansas was originally called Petit Roche. I don't understand how you can say that Canada was mostly settled by the French? The French probably had a bigger influence as explorers in the early years of the colonization of North America, but that ended in the mid 1700's in all of North America.

Even Wyoming has influence from French names. Like Laramie (home of the UW Cowboys) was named after a Frenchmen. Name of Jaques LaRamie.

[jefjef]

I'm just glad that you read the report Burrito, but I believe Canada and America are more similar than perhaps you realize. Canada is inundated with US culture and there are many cultural similarities. The standard of living is very similar. The 2 countries were settled by the same peoples.

One BIG difference is availability of guns and specifically handguns.

Canada was settled primarily by the French, and the U.S. by the British.

I'm wondering if you mean that there are more or less guns in Canada?

Shhhh, don't tell him about the guys that settled most of northamerica then selling a bunch of it off in the Lousiana purchase.

If you knew your history, you would know that the French, although they laid claim to much of the Midwest and Western parts of the current day U.S., they did mostly trapping there, not actually settling any of it, which is why there are few French influences there (i.e. French names for things). They did actually start towns and such on the present day Canadian east coast, and some farther inland.

I live on the east coast in the only officially bilingual city in the only officially bilingual province. Quebec is predominately French. ALL the other nine provinces are predominately English. New Brunswick is 60% English and 40% French and is the closest you will find in Canada of a cultural mix near 50%.

Both the English and French predominately trapped west of southern Ontario and Ohio. So, do you think Detroit is an English name? Baton Rouge? I expect Little Rock Arkansas was originally called Petit Roche. I don't understand how you can say that Canada was mostly settled by the French? The French probably had a bigger influence as explorers in the early years of the colonization of North America, but that ended in the mid 1700's in all of North America.

Let us not forget the Louisiana purchase. It was purchased from FRANCE. New Orleans and Baton Rouge were french cities.

[joecoolfrog]

You idiot.

Good response, you admitting defeat?

Obviously his parents and teachers did

[72o]

Is there any hope that this thread will once again find its original topic? Who gives a shit about French and British settlements in USA and Canada? What does that have to do with crime and prison populations?

[HapSmo19]

You idiot.

Good response, you admitting defeat?

Obviously his parents and teachers did

Obviously. And as soon as one of you frootloops prove to me how it's genetically possible to be born with one character or personality trait and not another, I'll be admitting defeat.

[MeDeFe]

You idiot.

Good response, you admitting defeat?

Obviously his parents and teachers did

Obviously. And as soon as one of you frootloops prove to me how it's genetically possible to be born with one character or personality trait and not another, I'll be admitting defeat.

Even assuming that people can be born with a genetic predisposition to actions that are by law defined as criminal, lowering the likelihood of crimes being committed by changing the social factors that have been linked as probable causes to said likelihood remains a good idea.

[notyou2]

You idiot.

Good response, you admitting defeat?

Obviously his parents and teachers did

Obviously. And as soon as one of you frootloops prove to me how it's genetically possible to be born with one character or personality trait and not another, I'll be admitting defeat.

Haps read the part abot XYY chromosomes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome

[anonymus]

@burrito
ok, so after scanning through whats been going on in this thread while ive been away working, it is really obvious that our lack of experience colours all of your arguments. You even contradict yourself in your attempt to clear yourself of my slandering you for being a kid (i was obviously right) who has no idea about how the real world or the military world works. there IS things you do not know due to lack of experience and like in your sentence (the one where you shot yourself in the back) you probably WILL have more experience and a better concept of these things in another 40 years, but NOW you ARE 17 and you have no clue.. sorry..
so why dont you listen to those of us who has gone through this and you dont have to learn it by trial and error.. I have been in the army, i have seen what happens to people, I know that young boys from all around the world gives their life for something they call "country" but really is the ruling powers. jonescurl gives a very good argument in saying "would you let Obama decide who you kill". and that you still have to go into any war your CO tells you to go into and do whatever he sees fit to obtain your objectives. And when you go abroad in your desertboots with no supplies and crappy equipment, i hope you will remember this debate, and on your next leave go to Canada or mexico or whatever..
I wish you the best of luck, but speaking from my own experience there is no glory to be found in the military.. Great friendships and some good laughs sure, but it does not nearly make up for the crap you have to do/see.. When you realise this for yourself i hope you do like me and try to convince the next eager kid who wants to be a marine to think long and hard about it..
at best there will be nightmares but you will learn something and be able to cope with your fat whife and job you hate, because anything is better than the desert. at worst you will be another statistic in the injured/killed or the suicide-rates..

my point is, no matter how gung-ho you think you are you will never know how it feels to be trapped with tunnelvision unless you have been there.. its not all its cracked up to be, and ive seen saltier guys than you break from that pressure..

to conclude, write me an email (i sincearly hope you will be able to) to anonymus@hushmail.com after/if you come back from iraq and lets see if your image of how it was going to be or my image of how it is is more correct..

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[HapSmo19]

You idiot.

Good response, you admitting defeat?

Obviously his parents and teachers did

Obviously. And as soon as one of you frootloops prove to me how it's genetically possible to be born with one character or personality trait and not another, I'll be admitting defeat.

Haps read the part abot XYY chromosomes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome

Yeah, I know.
I also know that studies on genetic criminality are a slippery-slope taboo for a reason so when snorri makes a statement like "Criminals aren't genetically disposed towards crime..."(should be predisposed, right?), he should qualify that with "IMO" because the data just isn't in. That is all.

I win.

[Snorri1234]

Yeah, I know.
I also know that studies on genetic criminality are a slippery-slope taboo for a reason so when snorri makes a statement like "Criminals aren't genetically disposed towards crime..."(should be predisposed, right?), he should qualify that with "IMO" because the data just isn't in. That is all.

I win.

You would win if there was any importance to it.

The question of whether criminals are genetically predisposed towards crime is staggeringly unimportant though, since it is clear that the most important factors determining whether a person goes into crime are social status and family. I could ofcourse start prefacing every single statement with IMO to be on the safe side, but there is no point because in most cases it doesn't matter. Perhaps there is a gene that links for criminality, but that gene is unimportant because it doesn't seem to have much influence.