Conquer Club

pimpdave wrote:

InkL0sed wrote:

Nobunaga wrote:A great article from Neewsweek about the Limbaugh Problem:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188279/page/1

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Yeah, Frum is one conservative I have a lot of respect for. He's on MSNBC fairly often, as a matter of fact.

Ink brings up a good, interesting tangent here, which kind of coincides with the "Limbaugh problem". I haven't the article yet, but it is important to realize that "liberals" (as is often the term for anyone who disagrees with any part of whatever issue a self-identified conservative is bleating on about) often do have a great deal of respect for some "conservatives".

I do too. David Brooks is someone I both greatly admire and respect. I buy his books whenever they're released.

I'm curious, is there anyone from the "conservative" side that can name anyone from the "liberal" side that they respect? I can start a new thread if this isn't appropriate to how you saw this thread going, Nobunaga. (I will assume a lack of response on your part to this question to mean consent.)


[I put conservative and liberal in quotes for a reason, because I think they are too often too narrowly defined, or at least with a heavy dose of myopia. I would refer to myself as a moderate, although I know there are members of our fine community who would scoff at such a self-assessment. Of course, I'd rather just call myself a "reasonable man", and not have to use labels that are so fickle in their definitions, but I know that could be asking too much.]

Good suggestion Pimp. I will have to think on that one myself as that would be an interesting discussion to read.

It's quite telling that there have been two so-called "liberals" on this site who have each named a "conservative" commentator they both respect, and no one from the opposing camp can come up with anything reciprocal in this long of a time frame.

It didn't take more than a second to think of someone from the conservative camp I read regularly and respect.

Very telling.

... Took a while, I haven't been on in a few days.

... Good question about the "Liberal" I might like... but then, folks are assuming I am a conservative... Not a fitting tag in my opinion, as far as accepted views and popular definitions are concerned.

... OK, I got one, John McCain. This guy is a true American hero and I cannot help but like the guy in spite of his politics.

... As for "Liberal" writers... I know none to mention by name, but there is a writer for Time I catch when I can, obviously "Liberal", engaging and thought provoking.

... As to thread direction, I honestly couldn't care less. It's morphed a few times already.

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pimpdave wrote:It's quite telling that there have been two so-called "liberals" on this site who have each named a "conservative" commentator they both respect, and no one from the opposing camp can come up with anything reciprocal in this long of a time frame.

It didn't take more than a second to think of someone from the conservative camp I read regularly and respect.

Very telling.

got tonkaed.Or if you want the old definition of the word, then Teddy Roosevelt.

Nobunaga wrote:... OK, I got one, John McCain. This guy is a true American hero and I cannot help but like the guy in spite of his politics.

I'm only going to assume you mean Adm. John S. McCain I, the current senators grandfather.

Brief untold history of John S. McCain III:

Finished 894th out of 899 Navy Academy grads.
Crashed 2 Navy planes before ever seeing combat.
After "the crown prince" (what the veitnamese referred to McCain as) was taken prisoner, used his family name to get special treatment.
Direct quote from McCain's book "It was hard not to see how pleased the Vietnamese were to have captured an Admirals son, and I knew that my fathers identity was directly related to my survival".
Signed a confession in captivity calling himself a "black criminal" and "air pirate".
Had a 9 month affair with his current wife Cindy while still married to his wife at the time, Carol, who was paralyzed from a car accident 2 years prior.
Married Cindy for her fathers $100 billion Budweiser fortune.
Crashed a 3rd Navy plane (see McCains messed up face).
Voted against Martin Luther King Day.
Perpetuated the Keating S&L fraud and subsequent bank collapse leaving taxpayers to foot a $3.4 billion dollar bill.

I could go on.

Ya, G.I. John, a Real American Hero.

Yes, but he did one great thing for the American people; he pick Palin and that guaranteed a Democratic victory.

pimpdave wrote:It's quite telling that there have been two so-called "liberals" on this site who have each named a "conservative" commentator they both respect, and no one from the opposing camp can come up with anything reciprocal in this long of a time frame.

It didn't take more than a second to think of someone from the conservative camp I read regularly and respect.

Very telling.

I can name probably around a dozen or so... but no more than that.
Sticking with the general flow of the thread though, I supported Ron Paul over Barack Obama because I though that he was the most honest, and best qualified candidate. Even though most of his personal lifestyle and politics directly clashes with mine. there are quite a few Republican conservatives from the East and west though that I respect.... but I cannot think of any from the heartland....
Oh wait, that senator from WI... he looks like he's 20.... what's his face.... the economics expert... you know the one... shoot...

Feingold?

I agree with the Feingold suggestion. I respect that most of the time he has been a good watch dog on the spending which his Dem buddies like to do. I do however strongly disagree with many other issues but I respect the guy more than not

Juan_Bottom wrote:Oh wait, that senator from WI... he looks like he's 20.... what's his face.... the economics expert... you know the one... shoot...

Paul Ryan?

I am generaly very conservative when it comes to government roles. There are certain aspects of many "liberals" that I respect. The same way that there are certain aspects of many "conservatives" that I respect. Just the same as their are ideals of each that cause me to lose respect for them. It is not as cut and dry as people make it out.

For example, I read a lot of op-ed peices by some very liberal writers, often times I disagree with them, sometime I agree with part of it, sometimes they hit the nail on the head, and call a spade a spade. For example, not long ago, Maureen Dowd, called out the Obama administration for a few things, and I think she was right on with some of her critism. Every now and again, even Krugman, and Eugene Robinson get one right!

At the same time, I can't stand the delivery methods of Limbaugh, or Savage. Sometimes I agree with their idea, but the way they express it, and treat people, turns me off to listening to them at all. The difference isn't a matter of respect, it is that I disagree with a lot of the main points liberals tend to discuss, whereas I mostly just dislike the personality's of the conservative media that get the attention. So while it may not seem like it, I have a lot of respect for the liberal commintators for being able to deliver their message without all the attitude. On the other hand, they are doing in a media form that is more conducive to doing that, since their is no direct, and live, interaction with people of opposing views.

--John

mpjh wrote:Yes, but he did one great thing for the American people; he pick Palin and that guaranteed a Democratic victory.

... No argument. Did he want to lose? I wonder.

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dewey316 wrote:At the same time, I can't stand the delivery methods of Limbaugh, or Savage. Sometimes I agree with their idea, but the way they express it, and treat people, turns me off to listening to them at all.

You mean the holier-than-though, finger pointing from on-high condescension? It's the conservative way! Don't you know that THEY know what's best for you and your family?