Conquer Club

DJ Teflon wrote:Glad to see this map back - athough sad to see the Bike Lanes lose their killer neutral feature.

:)

Victor Sullivan wrote:=D> =D> Sully likey! Very nice! The style is fresh, the gameplay is fresh, the mapmaker is fresh - it's like this map was just hand-picked from the cartography orchard! Bravo, mate, bravo.

-Sully

KoolBak wrote:Hey....just saw this - I am a native Oregonian and reside in west linn...have several oregonian friends here and we'd all dig this ;o) Well done!

RedBaron0 wrote:Welcome back kiddo!

Some thoughts on your recent update:

The ""Don't Cross:" section of the legend. I think you can replace that with just "Impassible:" And adding a small icon of what each represents from the map might be better than the words. Without labels we won't know what Ladd's Circle or The Bluffs is exactly.

Are the USS Blueback and the Shoetown icons still necessary?

Question, the bus icons are territories too, yes? I'm guessing the buses allow connections between bonuses over the MAX lines, then? This might just need a bit of explanation in the legend.

iancanton wrote:since the map has changed, we also need a few adjustments to the bonuses and starting neutrals. at the moment, the map doesn't necessarily meet gameplay stamp requirements.

NE isn't that hard to hold. i'd say between classic europe and classic asia, therefore +6 instead of +8: there simply aren't many bonuses which can attack it.

it's also appropriate to reduce the MAX bonuses, to +5 for red, +3 for yellow and +3 (or the existing +4) for blue, now that the transit center negative has gone.

the transit center must start neutral (n2 or n3) and i strongly recommend that one of the SW regions (n2) does too, to prevent someone from starting with these bonuses.

to keep the microbreweries and rose gardens relevant (scattered bonuses are unpopular unless the reward is high enough), u can up their bonuses to +5 if u also make washington park (n2) and st johns (n2) start neutral: someone starting with +4 or +5 throws these games totally off-balance.

assuming that the bike lanes are normal regions, all this means that we keep the original 42 starting regions.

redraw SW so it's clear whether southwest hills connects with PSU. if it doesn't, then change the blue line slightly to make it blatantly obvious.

ian.

iancanton wrote:since the map has changed, we also need a few adjustments to the bonuses and starting neutrals. at the moment, the map doesn't necessarily meet gameplay stamp requirements.

NE isn't that hard to hold. i'd say between classic europe and classic asia, therefore +6 instead of +8: there simply aren't many bonuses which can attack it.

it's also appropriate to reduce the MAX bonuses, to +5 for red, +3 for yellow and +3 (or the existing +4) for blue, now that the transit center negative has gone.

the transit center must start neutral (n2 or n3) and i strongly recommend that one of the SW regions (n2) does too, to prevent someone from starting with these bonuses.

to keep the microbreweries and rose gardens relevant (scattered bonuses are unpopular unless the reward is high enough), u can up their bonuses to +5 if u also make washington park (n2) and st johns (n2) start neutral: someone starting with +4 or +5 throws these games totally off-balance.

assuming that the bike lanes are normal regions, all this means that we keep the original 42 starting regions.

redraw SW so it's clear whether southwest hills connects with PSU. if it doesn't, then change the blue line slightly to make it blatantly obvious.

ian. :)

RedBaron0 wrote:Welcome back kiddo!

Are the USS Blueback and the Shoetown icons still necessary?

lostatlimbo wrote:Since Bike Lanes will be killer neutrals, if I still make the other 4 neutral suggestions (leaving 38 starting territories) - how bad is that? I know 42 is ideal, but is 38 terrible?

You mention starting Washington Park & St Johns as neutral to prevent a Rose/Beer bonus on the drop, but both of those territories are Rose bonus only. Did you mean to make one of them a Beer bonus? (like University?)

iancanton wrote:

lostatlimbo wrote:Since Bike Lanes will be killer neutrals, if I still make the other 4 neutral suggestions (leaving 38 starting territories) - how bad is that? I know 42 is ideal, but is 38 terrible?

You mention starting Washington Park & St Johns as neutral to prevent a Rose/Beer bonus on the drop, but both of those territories are Rose bonus only. Did you mean to make one of them a Beer bonus? (like University?)

i did mean to make university, not st johns, neutral. u spotted the error!

38 is indeed a lot worse than 39 because each player starts with exactly 12 regions in 1v1. if u insert one more blue max station in the bottom left, for example, then the number of starting regions becomes 39. if u don't want to do this, then we can use 3 start positions in SW instead of setting beaverton to neutral. in both cases, each player starts with 13 regions in 1v1 games.

make each bike lane region an n1 rather than an n3, otherwise the bike lanes will hardly ever be used.

ian.

iancanton wrote:make each bike lane region an n1 rather than an n3, otherwise the bike lanes will hardly ever be used.

danfrank wrote:this is going on almost 2 and a half years for this map.. The foundry members of CC should be ashamed of themselves.

iancanton wrote:rather than setting university to neutral and using 3 start positions in SW (which gives the unwanted consequence that SW is the only bonus that starts without neutrals), better might be beaverton neutral and 4 start positions for the 4 beers. this gives 39 starting regions (42 less neutral transit center, beaverton and washington park), with the 4 start positions being university, nob hill, laurelhurst and alberta arts; each player starts with 14 regions in 1v1 games.

ian. :)

isaiah40 wrote:It's been a while since I last saw this. And I must say it has improved greatly!

Just a couple of things I would like to mention:
1) Yes you can drop the Nike shoe
2) I think that with this map we can drop the troop circles - though can we see a version with the numbers on it without the circles?
3) The Portland Sign, it may be me, but it looks like it kinda goes down at a slight angle to the right as you read down it.
4) Also your "Grab a brew..." line is at an angle going up from left to right.
5) At the bottom from the sub down along the right bank of the river it looks as if the color doesn't go all the way over to the right bank, and under that bottom bridge the same thing. Was this done on purpose?

Well that's it for now. Looking forward to your next update!!