9/11 Conspiracies(threads merged)

[Backglass]

Well, I understand where you are coming from, but the fact of the matter is, that the media is controlled by people who have a hidden agenda...Rupert murdoch for instance has always been known to play a lurking, shady role in the politics of britain.

Im not reffering to your bog standard camera operator, or journalist, Im talking about the higher-ups.

Look, as we all know, the media has a great deal of swing in the altering of peoples opinions.

Doyou truely think that the owners of such a populace-controlling device as the media would be absolutely un-biased, and 100% fair?

The media is the new-age religion, it sets consensus for the masses, and the fact that every major network owner is a part of the bilderberger group (do you know who they are, bilderberger?) strikes me in such a way that I believe that the higher-ups within media have a murky, malicious agenda.

I understand that the media has sway with the public..no doubt. But we are talking about the killing of thousands of people, not who sucked the presidents dick.

The problem with your theory is that every mastermind needs lackeys and henchmen to do the actual dirty work. To pull off a nationwide media cover up would require MUCH more than just a few "higher ups". It would require people who are "in" on the secret at all levels. Assuming ALL this is true and has happened...there is just no way it could be kept completely silent for 6 years without SOMEONE blowing the whistle.

Not in the USA, "The land of lawsuits"!

[Norse]

I understand that the media has sway with the public..no doubt. But we are talking about the killing of thousands of people, not who sucked the presidents dick.

o_O

The problem with your theory is that every mastermind needs lackeys and henchmen to do the actual dirty work. To pull off a nationwide media cover up would require MUCH more than just a few "higher ups". It would require people who are "in" on the secret at all levels. Assuming ALL this is true and has happened...there is just no way it could be kept completely silent for 6 years without SOMEONE blowing the whistle.

Not in the USA, "The land of lawsuits"!

Well, if anyone is going to be able to control public opinion in a situation such as this, then it will be the higher-ups in the media firms.

But well, they obviously did not do such a great jopb in covering up, as it is glaringly obvious that they exectuted this, and killed thousands of people.

What do you expect them to do? turn around and say "ok, ok enough is enough, we killed thousands of people, we're sorry"?

erm, I shouldnt think so. They will continue to defend themselves until there dying days, and they will never admit to it......it would be a disaster to theeir sinister little plans.

[heavycola]

OMG IT WAS TEH BILDERBERGERS!!!1!!!!!!!!!!11
AND TEH MASONSZ!!!1!!!

[Norse]

OMG IT WAS TEH BILDERBERGERS!!!1!!!!!!!!!!11
AND TEH MASONSZ!!!1!!!

Nice. Glad to have you on side Heavycola. But you have to brush up your act a little.

[heavycola]

OMG IT WAS TEH BILDERBERGERS!!!1!!!!!!!!!!11
AND TEH MASONSZ!!!1!!!

Nice. Glad to have you on side Heavycola. But you have to brush up your act a little.

just be careful dude. You know they are reading this.

[2dimes]

Heavycola I love you.

:swoons:

[heavycola]

Heavycola I love you.

:swoons:

hell dimes, if i wasn't so paranoid, i'd believe you

[Norse]

Heavycola I love you.

:swoons:

hell dimes, if i wasn't so paranoid, i'd believe you

Heavycola, RTFB.

Then come back and apologise

[Titanic]

Ok, let me get this. The people running all the major media outlets in the USA join together with the US executive and some "Financial backers", hire cronies and people to plant thousands of tonnes of explosives in the twin towers which would take weeks, set up people around NYC to take "amateur" videos of the WTC, make sure there are absolutely no tourists or plane-spotters in the New York state area who could potentially take a video of a plane flying (before it hit the tower), and then killed 3,000 of their own civilians to declare war on a person who had already blown up a US navy ship, two of their embassies and previously attempted to blow up the WTC just for a cassus beli to become an imperialistic force in the Middle East?

I gotta give it to you, thats not an unimaginative conspiracy theory...

[heavycola]

Ok, let me get this. The people running all the major media outlets in the USA join together with the US executive and some "Financial backers", hire cronies and people to plant thousands of tonnes of explosives in the twin towers which would take weeks, set up people around NYC to take "amateur" videos of the WTC, make sure there are absolutely no tourists or plane-spotters in the New York state area who could potentially take a video of a plane flying (before it hit the tower), and then killed 3,000 of their own civilians to declare war on a person who had already blown up a US navy ship, two of their embassies and previously attempted to blow up the WTC just for a cassus beli to become an imperialistic force in the Middle East?

SHHHHHH

Dude you just signed your own death warrant

[Norse]

Well, if you cared to learn the facts kiddo. you would know that the twin towers had a "power down" in the weekend before the demolition. All of the corporations that used the WTC as an office were told last minute about this, and the surveilance cameras had to power down too, eliminating the evidence of the "planting" that occured over the course of the weekend.


There are eye-witness accounts of this on part 3 of the vidoe supplied by greecepwns.

[Norse]

SHHHHHH

Dude you just signed your own death warrant

C'mon, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you have the ability to at least be facetious (the next lowest form).

[heavycola]

SHHHHHH

Dude you just signed your own death warrant

C'mon, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you have the ability to at least be facetious (the next lowest form).

It is impossible to take this drivel seriously. Sarcasm is the only recourse I have. It's like arguing with evangelicals about creationism. All you can do is laugh.

[xtratabasco]

If there were any truth to the conspiracy theories, the mass media would have picked up on it by now... unless they're all in on it, too. And you'd have to be pretty paranoid to believe that.

And that's the entire media, from the CEOs all the way down to the interns. That's almost 10,000 people.

And they managed to keep all of them quiet? Even the idealistic college students who are willing to go to jail for the truth? Yeah right.

this guy form CNN didnt hide anything

http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/index.html


lol i thought you were gonna ignore us......lol boot-licker

[xtratabasco]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

weve given you the evidence. go back and re-read.

jet fuel (kerosene) dont melt, bend, break, or compromise steel. Hell ive run a kerosene heater for days and days and days and it didnt do nothing but keep the room warm.

so how is it that is can bend over 80 40-48 inch steel beams and bring the buildings down in less than 2 hours, while the sprinklers were going off.


lol your a boot-licking fool.

Ok, let's see. How hot does that Kerosene heater get? 120? maybe 150 degrees? What temperature does paper burn at? What about wood? Steel gets pliable at about 800 degrees, which is how blacksmiths can make swords and armor from steel.l

let see are these swords 4 feet wide? and almost a hundred of them?


lol

[Titanic]

Well, if you cared to learn the facts kiddo. you would know that the twin towers had a "power down" in the weekend before the demolition. All of the corporations that used the WTC as an office were told last minute about this, and the surveilance cameras had to power down too, eliminating the evidence of the "planting" that occured over the course of the weekend.


There are eye-witness accounts of this on part 3 of the vidoe supplied by greecepwns.

Firstly, I am not watching whatever video he posted. I have seen Loose Change and the other one Tabasco posted, and thats 2 hours of my life I am never going to get back.

Secondly, there was a complete shutdown? How come this has never been mentioned before, only on page 11 or whatever. I am not to sure that that is the whole truth. Probably an area or something, but people were allowed to work int heir office or something, if that really did happen.

Thirdly, 1 weekend? You cant wire and the explosives for a 100 storey building in one weekend, unless you hire a force of hundreds, but there was a total shutdown, wouldnt that look a bit suspicious? Hundreds of people and loads of vans or lorries or whatever the stuff was transported in all around the WTC for a whole weekend when there was a total shutdown?

Fourthly, I very much doubt the corporation were told at the last minute. This was one of the main areas of USA's and the world financial and banking market, they cannot shut it down at the last minute. Theres certain procedures that have to be followed when something of that importance needs to be done, and one of them is informing everyone without a comfortable period of notice.

[heavycola]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

weve given you the evidence. go back and re-read.

jet fuel (kerosene) dont melt, bend, break, or compromise steel. Hell ive run a kerosene heater for days and days and days and it didnt do nothing but keep the room warm.

so how is it that is can bend over 80 40-48 inch steel beams and bring the buildings down in less than 2 hours, while the sprinklers were going off.


lol your a boot-licking fool.

Ok, let's see. How hot does that Kerosene heater get? 120? maybe 150 degrees? What temperature does paper burn at? What about wood? Steel gets pliable at about 800 degrees, which is how blacksmiths can make swords and armor from steel.l

let see are these swords 4 feet wide? and almost a hundred of them?


lol

Well the kerosene stove that heats your trailer seems to be a good enough comparison

[xtratabasco]

Well, if you cared to learn the facts kiddo. you would know that the twin towers had a "power down" in the weekend before the demolition. All of the corporations that used the WTC as an office were told last minute about this, and the surveilance cameras had to power down too, eliminating the evidence of the "planting" that occured over the course of the weekend.


There are eye-witness accounts of this on part 3 of the vidoe supplied by greecepwns.

Secondly, there was a complete shutdown? How come this has never been mentioned before, only on page 11 or whatever. I am not to sure that that is the whole truth. Probably an area or something, but people were allowed to work int heir office or something, if that really did happen.

Thirdly, 1 weekend? You cant wire and the explosives for a 100 storey building in one weekend

President Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, is a part owner of the company that not only provided security for both United and American Airlines, but also for the World Trade Center complex itself.

[xtratabasco]

Well, if you cared to learn the facts kiddo. you would know that the twin towers had a "power down" in the weekend before the demolition. All of the corporations that used the WTC as an office were told last minute about this, and the surveilance cameras had to power down too, eliminating the evidence of the "planting" that occured over the course of the weekend.


There are eye-witness accounts of this on part 3 of the vidoe supplied by greecepwns.

Firstly, I am not watching whatever video he posted. I have seen Loose Change and the other one Tabasco posted, and thats 2 hours of my life I am never going to get back.

wow





lol

[Carebian Knight]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

weve given you the evidence. go back and re-read.

jet fuel (kerosene) dont melt, bend, break, or compromise steel. Hell ive run a kerosene heater for days and days and days and it didnt do nothing but keep the room warm.

so how is it that is can bend over 80 40-48 inch steel beams and bring the buildings down in less than 2 hours, while the sprinklers were going off.


lol your a boot-licking fool.

Ok, let's see. How hot does that Kerosene heater get? 120? maybe 150 degrees? What temperature does paper burn at? What about wood? Steel gets pliable at about 800 degrees, which is how blacksmiths can make swords and armor from steel.l

let see are these swords 4 feet wide? and almost a hundred of them?


lol

It wasn't every beam in the building, how many times do we have to say that. It was the beams for a few floors at the most.

Quantity doesn't matter, as long as the fire is big enough to hold the swords then they will all receive heat, it's not like one just sucked all the heat up.

Thickness doesn't matter either, it just takes longer to heat up. But with all the weight the weakened beams were holding I'm not surprised that they buckled.

[xtratabasco]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

weve given you the evidence. go back and re-read.

jet fuel (kerosene) dont melt, bend, break, or compromise steel. Hell ive run a kerosene heater for days and days and days and it didnt do nothing but keep the room warm.

so how is it that is can bend over 80 40-48 inch steel beams and bring the buildings down in less than 2 hours, while the sprinklers were going off.


lol your a boot-licking fool.

Ok, let's see. How hot does that Kerosene heater get? 120? maybe 150 degrees? What temperature does paper burn at? What about wood? Steel gets pliable at about 800 degrees, which is how blacksmiths can make swords and armor from steel.l

let see are these swords 4 feet wide? and almost a hundred of them?


lol

It wasn't every beam in the building, how many times do we have to say that. It was the beams for a few floors at the most.

Quantity doesn't matter, as long as the fire is big enough to hold the swords then they will all receive heat, it's not like one just sucked all the heat up.

Thickness doesn't matter either, it just takes longer to heat up. But with all the weight the weakened beams were holding I'm not surprised that they buckled.

but kerosene....i mean jet fuel doesnt warp, bend, break or compromise steel esp. steel 4 feet thick.

how many times we gotta tell you.



lol

[Carebian Knight]

Steel conducts heat, which means that if you put 100 degree fire on it, that heat would spread throughout the entire beam, thickness has nothing to do with it.

[xtratabasco]

Steel conducts heat, which means that if you put 100 degree fire on it, that heat would spread throughout the entire beam, thickness has nothing to do with it.

with your logic--------were all doomed!!!!!

run to the hills, all our steel buildings are gonna start raining down!



LOL

[GreecePwns]

Steel conducts heat, which means that if you put 100 degree fire on it, that heat would spread throughout the entire beam, thickness has nothing to do with it.

Really, well how come buildings last days with fire and do not fall? How come only on 9/11 did a steel building fall from fire, let alone 3?

[Carebian Knight]

It was different situations, the other buildings may have caught on fire, but the building itself wasn't damaged much. The towers were hit by planes first, which already weakened at least a few beams and at least one side of the building, after that it only took a few more tens of beams to crumble I'm sure.

When I say no damage, I mean the ouside of the building, not the framing. If you build a tower of blocks in about 3 layers out from the center, you could lose the center and the building would most likely still stand. But if you took out one side of that tower about 2/3's of the way up and then took the center out, you have a much better chance of that tower crumpling at that point which will fall on the rest of the tower.