Conquer Club

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:How about Scotland?

What about Scotland. This vote was the whole uk, not parts.

The poll asks "Who's next?" I am suggesting that Scotland should be an option.

Conchobar wrote:

tzor wrote:

betiko wrote:The UK should give back Gibraltar to Spain. I'd stop hearing people around here whine about it.

They should give Gibraltar to the Prudential life insurance company. The Rock has been their logo since the 1890's.

They should make Dwayne Johnson the President of Gibraltar.

King of Gibraltar, he needs a title with some swag.

mrswdk wrote:

Conchobar wrote:The United Kingdom did not vote to leave the EU. England and Wales did.
Scotland should get another independence referendum and be allowed to stay in.

52% of people in the UK voted to leave. Drawing a little line around all the areas in which a majority voted Remain doesn't change the fact that the majority of people in the country voted Leave.

Presumably you are also advocating referendums for London, Manchester and other boundaries within which a majority of people voted Remain?

Of course not, although I do have sympathy for the people of London. But that's a stupid comparison to make.
I'm not the one drawing the lines, the lines are already there. The fact is the UK is a union of four distinct countries.
And the results of this referendum show a clear divide between the wishes of Scottish & Irish people compared to English people.

England: Leave 53.4% - Remain 46.6%

Northern Ireland: Leave 44.2% - Remain 55.8%

Scotland: Leave 38.0% - Remain 62.0%

Metsfanmax wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:How about Scotland?

What about Scotland. This vote was the whole uk, not parts.

The poll asks "Who's next?" I am suggesting that Scotland should be an option.

The poll is asking who's next to leave the EU? That's a stupid question without a 'none of the above' option.

Conchobar wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:How about Scotland?

What about Scotland. This vote was the whole uk, not parts.

The poll asks "Who's next?" I am suggesting that Scotland should be an option.

The poll is asking who's next to leave the EU? That's a stupid question without a 'none of the above' option.

Depends on the time frame. Somebody is sure to leave eventually.

Conchobar wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:How about Scotland?

What about Scotland. This vote was the whole uk, not parts.

The poll asks "Who's next?" I am suggesting that Scotland should be an option.

The poll is asking who's next to leave the EU? That's a stupid question without a 'none of the above' option.

I am interpreting to mean "who's next to declare independence?"

why did Scotland vote overwhelmingly remain?

also, I wonder if they regret staying in the UK...

Army of GOD wrote:why did Scotland vote overwhelmingly remain?

also, I wonder if they regret staying in the UK...

Maybe they won't yet. The Scottish First Minister is now stating that she wants to set a second Scottish independence referendum in motion.

Army of GOD wrote:why did Scotland vote overwhelmingly remain?

also, I wonder if they regret staying in the UK...

Why? That's a very complicated question, there's a whole myriad of reasons. But basically it just makes sound economic sense to be part of the EU.
Anyone who says otherwise is just plain wrong. Also, most of the people who voted to leave gave immigration as their primary concern.
Scotland doesn't have as much of an issue with immigration, except maybe of English people.

Generally though, the Scottish are just more pro-Europe than the English. As Europe is more pro-Scotland than pro-England.
Almost half of Scottish people already regretted the failure of the independence movement. And that was a vote to remain part of the UK AND the EU.
Now, I would imagine a second referendum will result in a majority voting to leave the UK and rejoin the EU...

Conchobar wrote:Scotland doesn't have as much of an issue with immigration, except maybe of English people.

Ironically, very few of the places with lots of immigration voted out. In London, Manchester, Leeds, Leicester etc. the majority of people voted to stay in.

mrswdk wrote:

Conchobar wrote:Scotland doesn't have as much of an issue with immigration, except maybe of English people.

Ironically, very few of the places with lots of immigration voted out. In London, Manchester, Leeds, Leicester etc. the majority of people voted to stay in.

Yeah I know, and that's because it's an argument of the ignorant. People who actually live with immigrants see it for what it is.
Western countries need immigration. It is actually good for the economy.

Yeah, I think this is the day that UKIP charged forward in breaking up the UK into constituent parts.

However, I also think everything will be sorted out probably 40 years from now, according to my Star Trek timeline, when WW3 ends. But we've still got a while until the United Earth of the 2150's.


--Andy

I believe UK economy will suffer from this. Since I'm in Croatia, I used UK's eBay to buy things for two reasons - I know English so it's easy to find item and they ship it fast so it arrives in 7-10 days. Numerous buying from SportsDirect and I know a lot of people doing the same. Those are two examples of how it will hit them. Now we have 40% import charges on clothes from UK. No thanks. Though I read after they start the process of exiting, they must stay in EU for another 2 years before they can fully exit.

AndyDufresne wrote:Yeah, I think this is the day that UKIP charged forward in breaking up the UK into constituent parts.

However, I also think everything will be sorted out probably 40 years from now, according to my Star Trek timeline, when WW3 ends. But we've still got a while until the United Earth of the 2150's.


--Andy

Wise words Number 1.
We're probably due a third go at wiping ourselves out before learning, as a species, to live in harmony.
My only problem with the Star Trek scenario, is that history repeats itself.
So, just like when Europeans 'discovered' the new world; when aliens 'discover' Earth, billions will die from diseases that we have no immunity to.
And unless they're a hell of a lot more benevolent than us, there will be much raping, pillaging and slaughter.
Considering that, I hope they're at least sexy aliens. Like an army of T’Pols, or those green chicks...

mrswdk wrote:

Conchobar wrote:The United Kingdom did not vote to leave the EU. England and Wales did.
Scotland should get another independence referendum and be allowed to stay in.

52% of people in the UK voted to leave. Drawing a little line around all the areas in which a majority voted Remain doesn't change the fact that the majority of people in the country voted Leave.

Presumably you are also advocating referendums for London, Manchester and other boundaries within which a majority of people voted Remain?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Independenc ... _src=twsrc^tfw

If Scotland now get independence, I'm moving there.

mrswdk wrote:

Conchobar wrote:The United Kingdom did not vote to leave the EU. England and Wales did.
Scotland should get another independence referendum and be allowed to stay in.

52% of people in the UK voted to leave. Drawing a little line around all the areas in which a majority voted Remain doesn't change the fact that the majority of people in the country voted Leave.

No, about 27% of people in the UK (17.4 million) voted to leave. That's not a majority.

Metsfanmax wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

Conchobar wrote:The United Kingdom did not vote to leave the EU. England and Wales did.
Scotland should get another independence referendum and be allowed to stay in.

52% of people in the UK voted to leave. Drawing a little line around all the areas in which a majority voted Remain doesn't change the fact that the majority of people in the country voted Leave.

No, about 27% of people in the UK (17.4 million) voted to leave. That's not a majority.

Only because over half the population didn't vote. Idiots.

Metsfanmax wrote:No, about 27% of people in the UK (17.4 million) voted to leave. That's not a majority.

Bah humbug, majorities are overrated. If we had to rely on a majority, we would still be colonies of the United Kingdom.

waauw wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

waauw wrote:I'm missing the "none" option. The EU, especially France, Italy and the Netherlands will now be forced to push for rapid EU reforms and to install harsh conditions on the UK so as to discredit their own far right opposition parties.

Unfortunately for you the UK knows its position far too well. Drive too high a bargain and we wont contribute to the EU in exchange for access to the single market. And without us, Germany cant carry the EU alone.

Basically the EU is screwed either way.

True, both the EU and the UK are now screwed. There are no winners. Harsh decisions have to be made.

Then again, the EU doesn't have to destroy the British economy. That's in nobody's interest. All they will probably push for is a deal that makes the UK worse off than inside the EU. Personally I think we'll probably end up with a deal somewhere in the middle between what the UK used to get and what Switzerland and Norway get now, a compromise.

Above all EU must learn a lesson from BREXIT, or the process will repeat elsewhere, and then it will be the beginning of the end.

betiko wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

waauw wrote:I'm missing the "none" option. The EU, especially France, Italy and the Netherlands will now be forced to push for rapid EU reforms and to install harsh conditions on the UK so as to discredit their own far right opposition parties.

Unfortunately for you the UK knows its position far too well. Drive too high a bargain and we wont contribute to the EU in exchange for access to the single market. And without us, Germany cant carry the EU alone.

Basically the EU is screwed either way.

sorry the EU has never been about the UK... it's about France and Germany since its inception. Have fun as you see your economy collapse!

France is the key , nice joke.
Read carefully: If there is no Germany you guys will not be able to tie your shoes

P.S. If its up to Germany they would like to see France leaving, and UK staying

GoranZ wrote:

waauw wrote:

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:

waauw wrote:I'm missing the "none" option. The EU, especially France, Italy and the Netherlands will now be forced to push for rapid EU reforms and to install harsh conditions on the UK so as to discredit their own far right opposition parties.

Unfortunately for you the UK knows its position far too well. Drive too high a bargain and we wont contribute to the EU in exchange for access to the single market. And without us, Germany cant carry the EU alone.

Basically the EU is screwed either way.

True, both the EU and the UK are now screwed. There are no winners. Harsh decisions have to be made.

Then again, the EU doesn't have to destroy the British economy. That's in nobody's interest. All they will probably push for is a deal that makes the UK worse off than inside the EU. Personally I think we'll probably end up with a deal somewhere in the middle between what the UK used to get and what Switzerland and Norway get now, a compromise.

Above all EU must learn a lesson from BREXIT, or the process will repeat elsewhere, and then it will be the beginning of the end.

I hope so. I hope they the politicians will start by sending the middle finger to Erdogan and taking care of the immigration-issues themselves.

I'm less informed about the state and feelings of Northern Ireland, but I've seen some articles there is discussion about a push fore unified Ireland. Any of you folks over there have more information and thoughts on that aspect of the UK crumbling like Scotland?


--Andy

Spain has started mobilizing to take Gibraltar.

"The Spanish flag on the Rock is much closer than before," Spain's acting Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said on Friday.

In a radio interview, Mr Garcia-Margallo said: "It's a complete change of outlook that opens up new possibilities on Gibraltar not seen for a very long time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36618796

This comes a month after the Royal Navy had to fight off a Spanish ship off the coast - this is when Britain and Spain were friends... how will Spain act now ...

A ROYAL Navy ship fired warning flares at a Spanish vessel harassing a US nuclear submarine trying to dock in Gibraltar, The Sun can reveal.

Insiders blasted the “dangerous” attempt to disrupt the visit last month by Ohio-class ballistic missile sub USS Florida.

A Spanish Guardia Civil patrol boat TWICE tried to sail directly across the front of the sub’s path, and had to be sent packing by naval ships.

In the first incident flares were fired across her bow in a direct attempt to end the perilous antics.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/ ... gibraltar/

Army of GOD wrote:why did Scotland vote overwhelmingly remain?

also, I wonder if they regret staying in the UK...

Shit has truly hit the fan here, Scotland and NI voted stay in and now are calling referendums to break up the United Kingdom. The prime minister has resigned and the opposition party leader has had a vote of no confidence
.

Ignorant people with no understanding of politics have used the election to place a protest vote to leave the EU when it is actually the government that is fucking them and they have no clue to the ramifications and consequences to their actions.

iAmCaffeine wrote:If Scotland now get independence, I'm moving there.

Will probably apply for a Scottish passport through my fringe blood connection on my maternal side.

Tempted to ditch this shitty country that has fucked itself.