Conquer Club

GoranZ wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, the Turkish government has been (quite openly) steering more towards being the Sultanate of old, rather than the Democracy that had been in place. Plus their inactions and not helping in taking ISIS forces in recent months, I would be suspiscious of anything Erdogan's government puts out there.

How can you be so dumb, so shortsighted?

Turkish government are heavily working on establishing Turkey as key player in Europan faith(for the whole continent, not just EU) and how it looks like they will succeed in their goal.

Except with Turkey's continuing to stay "out of other country's business" by not fighting an extreme and highly militant terrorist organization literally at their doorstep, they are alienating themselves from Europe. Not to mention, main Daesh fighters come through Turkey into Iraq and Syria. Not exactly espousing "European Faith" by allowing a powerful terrorist organization to essentially recruit in their borders. And European nations are taking note how Erdogan has reacted (or lack thereof) against the Daesh.

By the way, ad hominems do nothing to further your arguments.

How will they succeed that? Main pipelines(gas and oil) from the wells in Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq and most likely Russia and Kazakhstan(canceled South Stream will probably be built thew Turkey as Turkish Stream) will pass threw Turkey. That is almost half of whole energy demands(gas and oil) for Europe will come from Turkish territory. Can you even imagine how strong position is that for Turkey? From my point of view they can not imagine stronger position than that.

Except Iraq (and through Iraq to Syria) is still a huge war zone. Kind of hard to get it set up when those areas have battles raging almost constantly. And Turkey won't lift a finger to help. Truth be told, they attacked one of the forces actually fighting the Daesh, rather than the Daesh itself.

That upgrades Turkey from US vassal to equal partner(US are still not aware of this fact). This puts Erdogan's government(and Turkey) is a position to chose what they want on their own not what US wants. So in practice if US wants democracy in Turkey and Erdogan's government wants something else max that US can get is middle finger(or maybe two middle fingers from both hands).

Ah, there it is. I was waiting on you to try and slip something like that in. Has nothing to do with the rest of the post, so we'll leave it at that.

Will Erdogan's government succeed in establishing new Ottoman empire? Yes, Turkey will become economic giant in Europe very soon, and with that they will spread their interests primarily in the Balkans and in the middle east quite effectively...
On a long run I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey tries to mix its fingers deeper in the heart of Europe threw Muslim population in Europe.

Your assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish imperialism and that neighbors would be willing to do it (I recall Greece still doesn't particularly like the Turks). And hard to see how Turkey will become an "economic power" when Erdogan spends a ridiculous amount of money building a palace for himself through taxpayer dollars.

P.S. Do I like Erdogan's government? No, I always prefer secular government(no exceptions). But Erdogan's government is playing their best possible game in European political theater(hats off for their play).

At least your honest that you don't like Erdogan's government. But I see some serious flaws, especially with them wanting to join the EU (which is not going to happen at the rate they're going). Plus whatever steps they took forward in the last 100 years in regards to equal rights and such, Erdogan is basically undoing it. And not only the EU, but all European countries are taking note of this.

Besides, with the freefall price of oil, and putting all their stock into it, like what Russia has (and their economy is reeling with that, and the sanctions are taking their own toll as well), may come to hurt them, rather than help.

Charlie Hebdo's print run this week has gone up to 5 million copies.
Not a single shop in London will say more than "come back on Friday"...

Israel mad the French solidarity march isn't all about them; throws a tantrum.

The Israeli ambassador to the UK has written to the Liberal Democrat leader, Nick Clegg, to express his abhorrence at “offensive and shocking” comments made by David Ward MP on the presence of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, at the solidarity march in Paris on Sunday.

During the march, which followed last week’s terror attacks in the French capital that left 17 people dead, the Lib Dem MP for Bradford East tweeted: “#Netanyahu in Paris march – what!!! Makes me feel sick” and “Je suis #Palestinian.”

Ward has a record of causing controversy with his remarks on Israel. In 2013, he was reprimanded by his party for “use of language” after he compared Israel’s treatment of Palestinians to the Holocaust. Later that year, he was suspended by the Lib Dems and had the whip withdrawn for two months for tweeting: “Am I wrong or am I right? At long last the Zionists are losing the battle – how long can the apartheid State of Israel last?”

In July last year he said that he would probably fire a rocket into Israel if he lived in Gaza.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... david-ward

laughingcavalier wrote:Charlie Hebdo's print run this week has gone up to 5 million copies.
Not a single shop in London will say more than "come back on Friday"...

My father went to buy it at 6am and they were already sold out. Basically, they were selling only 30 000 copies these days and were about to die; they needed to sell 35 000 copies weekly to break even. It's pretty ironic that the terrorists screamed "we killed charlie hebdo"!! when they actually resurected from the dead a weekly magazine that was probably going to stop in the next few month beacause it was going bankrupt.
All these cartoonists were posting stuff in many french publications and could live without it, charlie hebdo was like more of a hobby where they were more politically incorrect. They just sold this morning over 3 years worth of magazines... in one edition.

arno30 wrote:2. what if ISIS knock at their door ? they let it go in and settle in Turkey ? or they fight it ?

Turkey has over 600.000 active solders that is 8-th army in the world by military personal... combined with reserve forces the number of soldiers goes over 1 mil. If ISIS even considers knocking on Turkish door they might end up crushed like a bug, including their supporters. As a westerner you should try to understand that ISIS strength comes from Western's inability to defeat it, but Turkish Army doesn't have that limitation.

mrswdk wrote:Saudi Arabia issues fatwa against snowmen:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... nter-fatwa

Ultimate Dictatorship... Supported by the West.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, the Turkish government has been (quite openly) steering more towards being the Sultanate of old, rather than the Democracy that had been in place. Plus their inactions and not helping in taking ISIS forces in recent months, I would be suspiscious of anything Erdogan's government puts out there.

How can you be so dumb, so shortsighted?

Turkish government are heavily working on establishing Turkey as key player in Europan faith(for the whole continent, not just EU) and how it looks like they will succeed in their goal.

Except with Turkey's continuing to stay "out of other country's business" by not fighting an extreme and highly militant terrorist organization literally at their doorstep, they are alienating themselves from Europe. Not to mention, main Daesh fighters come through Turkey into Iraq and Syria. Not exactly espousing "European Faith" by allowing a powerful terrorist organization to essentially recruit in their borders. And European nations are taking note how Erdogan has reacted (or lack thereof) against the Daesh.

By the way, ad hominems do nothing to further your arguments.

How will they succeed that? Main pipelines(gas and oil) from the wells in Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq and most likely Russia and Kazakhstan(canceled South Stream will probably be built thew Turkey as Turkish Stream) will pass threw Turkey. That is almost half of whole energy demands(gas and oil) for Europe will come from Turkish territory. Can you even imagine how strong position is that for Turkey? From my point of view they can not imagine stronger position than that.

Except Iraq (and through Iraq to Syria) is still a huge war zone. Kind of hard to get it set up when those areas have battles raging almost constantly. And Turkey won't lift a finger to help. Truth be told, they attacked one of the forces actually fighting the Daesh, rather than the Daesh itself.

Why would they want to fight your war... Your war is your problem, US create it, US should deal with it.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:Will Erdogan's government succeed in establishing new Ottoman empire? Yes, Turkey will become economic giant in Europe very soon, and with that they will spread their interests primarily in the Balkans and in the middle east quite effectively...
On a long run I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey tries to mix its fingers deeper in the heart of Europe threw Muslim population in Europe.

Your assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish imperialism and that neighbors would be willing to do it (I recall Greece still doesn't particularly like the Turks). And hard to see how Turkey will become an "economic power" when Erdogan spends a ridiculous amount of money building a palace for himself through taxpayer dollars.

I'm not assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish Imperialism... I know, there is a difference. Between any Western country and Turkey(as dominantly muslim country) wast majority of the Muslims will chose Turkey.
Greece , you are kidding rite?

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:P.S. Do I like Erdogan's government? No, I always prefer secular government(no exceptions). But Erdogan's government is playing their best possible game in European political theater(hats off for their play).

At least your honest that you don't like Erdogan's government. But I see some serious flaws, especially with them wanting to join the EU (which is not going to happen at the rate they're going). Plus whatever steps they took forward in the last 100 years in regards to equal rights and such, Erdogan is basically undoing it. And not only the EU, but all European countries are taking note of this.

Current Turkish government doesn't want to enter EU , they have negotiations for EU membership but nothing is happening in those.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Besides, with the freefall price of oil, and putting all their stock into it, like what Russia has (and their economy is reeling with that, and the sanctions are taking their own toll as well), may come to hurt them, rather than help.

It is not yet known which country produced more oil in 2014, Russia, Saudi Arabia or US but it is known that cheapest for production is Saudi's oil(they will make profit even with 20$ per barrel) but the most expensive for production is American oil(at least 80$ are required for production). Russia's oil production is more expensive then Saudi's one but it is at least twice cheaper then American one. So at current prices US is creating huge loses but surprisingly even for a person like you Russia and Saudi Arabia are still making huge profits. The problem for Russia is that they are not making as much profit as they want
On a long run US oil industry will collapse, US government will be forced to help some US Banks that supported that oil industry which will lead to increasing of US taxes for its citizens. In the end [player]muy_thaiguy[/player] will have to pay higher taxes which will be partially compensated with temporal low oil prices. I guess you like to be f*cked. I hope you dont mind but the Chinese, Indians, Europeans, all other countries that dont produce oil and Me are happy because of falling oil prices

GoranZ wrote:

arno30 wrote:2. what if ISIS knock at their door ? they let it go in and settle in Turkey ? or they fight it ?

Turkey has over 600.000 active solders that is 8-th army in the world by military personal... combined with reserve forces the number of soldiers goes over 1 mil. If ISIS even considers knocking on Turkish door they might end up crushed like a bug, including their supporters. As a westerner you should try to understand that ISIS strength comes from Western's inability to defeat it, but Turkish Army doesn't have that limitation.

I think the Turkish army would face the same issues. It's not just manpower that's the issue. That seems a simplistic and naive look at things.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

arno30 wrote:2. what if ISIS knock at their door ? they let it go in and settle in Turkey ? or they fight it ?

Turkey has over 600.000 active solders that is 8-th army in the world by military personal... combined with reserve forces the number of soldiers goes over 1 mil. If ISIS even considers knocking on Turkish door they might end up crushed like a bug, including their supporters. As a westerner you should try to understand that ISIS strength comes from Western's inability to defeat it, but Turkish Army doesn't have that limitation.

I think the Turkish army would face the same issues. It's not just manpower that's the issue. That seems a simplistic and naive look at things.


--Andy

You are wrong about one thing... Turkish people will support Turkish Army no matter what they do until Turkish Army is protecting Turkey... After all that is the job of the Turkish Army in the first place.
On the other hand if for example we take US Army it will be seen as occupying force by American citizens, and not just American citizens.

How about the turkish people who are kurds? Do they support the turkish army? Does the turkish army support them? Holy blue peacocks, and praying to hussien. What will goranz say about the kurds?

GoranZ wrote:Current Turkish government doesn't want to enter EU , they have negotiations for EU membership but nothing is happening in those.

Well that's good news

thank you foxnews for being so funny. fox news is a comedy channel right?

GoranZ wrote:On the other hand if for example we take US Army it will be seen as occupying force by American citizens, and not just American citizens.

American citizens aren't bright by the lot, but the majority indeed would see occupation as occupation I think.


--Andy

GoranZ wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, the Turkish government has been (quite openly) steering more towards being the Sultanate of old, rather than the Democracy that had been in place. Plus their inactions and not helping in taking ISIS forces in recent months, I would be suspiscious of anything Erdogan's government puts out there.

How can you be so dumb, so shortsighted?

Turkish government are heavily working on establishing Turkey as key player in Europan faith(for the whole continent, not just EU) and how it looks like they will succeed in their goal.

Except with Turkey's continuing to stay "out of other country's business" by not fighting an extreme and highly militant terrorist organization literally at their doorstep, they are alienating themselves from Europe. Not to mention, main Daesh fighters come through Turkey into Iraq and Syria. Not exactly espousing "European Faith" by allowing a powerful terrorist organization to essentially recruit in their borders. And European nations are taking note how Erdogan has reacted (or lack thereof) against the Daesh.

By the way, ad hominems do nothing to further your arguments.

How will they succeed that? Main pipelines(gas and oil) from the wells in Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq and most likely Russia and Kazakhstan(canceled South Stream will probably be built thew Turkey as Turkish Stream) will pass threw Turkey. That is almost half of whole energy demands(gas and oil) for Europe will come from Turkish territory. Can you even imagine how strong position is that for Turkey? From my point of view they can not imagine stronger position than that.

Except Iraq (and through Iraq to Syria) is still a huge war zone. Kind of hard to get it set up when those areas have battles raging almost constantly. And Turkey won't lift a finger to help. Truth be told, they attacked one of the forces actually fighting the Daesh, rather than the Daesh itself.

Why would they want to fight your war... Your war is your problem, US create it, US should deal with it.

Being a part of NATO, you know? And considering the fighting is literally a hop, skip, and a jump away from Turkey's borders, you would think that they would want things to settle down and try and eliminate these radical extremists. Instead, they just sit on their hands and watch the fighting and complain about refugees.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:Will Erdogan's government succeed in establishing new Ottoman empire? Yes, Turkey will become economic giant in Europe very soon, and with that they will spread their interests primarily in the Balkans and in the middle east quite effectively...
On a long run I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey tries to mix its fingers deeper in the heart of Europe threw Muslim population in Europe.

Your assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish imperialism and that neighbors would be willing to do it (I recall Greece still doesn't particularly like the Turks). And hard to see how Turkey will become an "economic power" when Erdogan spends a ridiculous amount of money building a palace for himself through taxpayer dollars.

I'm not assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish Imperialism... I know, there is a difference. Between any Western country and Turkey(as dominantly muslim country) wast majority of the Muslims will chose Turkey.
Greece , you are kidding rite?

Based on what? Simply being Muslim? Many Muslims also just want to live their lives normally in Western countries and speak out publicly against these attacks. Why would they support Turkey, which has been radicalizing itself in recent years, over the countries that took them in/were born in? It's a strawman argument at best.

And I was using Greece as an example.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:P.S. Do I like Erdogan's government? No, I always prefer secular government(no exceptions). But Erdogan's government is playing their best possible game in European political theater(hats off for their play).

At least your honest that you don't like Erdogan's government. But I see some serious flaws, especially with them wanting to join the EU (which is not going to happen at the rate they're going). Plus whatever steps they took forward in the last 100 years in regards to equal rights and such, Erdogan is basically undoing it. And not only the EU, but all European countries are taking note of this.

Current Turkish government doesn't want to enter EU , they have negotiations for EU membership but nothing is happening in those.

Except those negotiations mean they are pursuing membership into the EU. That is pretty clear.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Besides, with the freefall price of oil, and putting all their stock into it, like what Russia has (and their economy is reeling with that, and the sanctions are taking their own toll as well), may come to hurt them, rather than help.

It is not yet known which country produced more oil in 2014, Russia, Saudi Arabia or US but it is known that cheapest for production is Saudi's oil(they will make profit even with 20$ per barrel) but the most expensive for production is American oil(at least 80$ are required for production). Russia's oil production is more expensive then Saudi's one but it is at least twice cheaper then American one. So at current prices US is creating huge loses but surprisingly even for a person like you Russia and Saudi Arabia are still making huge profits. The problem for Russia is that they are not making as much profit as they want

That's the understatement of the year. If the oil prices continue to drop, Russia is looking at going bankrupt very soon, even with their reserves. And with the Ruble's value in economic free fall, and Putin essentially kicking out any Western business in Russia to spite his own nose, Russia's economy will soon his the "Bust" part of their "Boom and Bust" economy (it happens when only certain things are relied on for economic growth).

On a long run US oil industry will collapse, US government will be forced to help some US Banks that supported that oil industry which will lead to increasing of US taxes for its citizens. In the end [player]muy_thaiguy[/player] will have to pay higher taxes which will be partially compensated with temporal low oil prices. I guess you like to be f*cked. I hope you dont mind but the Chinese, Indians, Europeans, all other countries that dont produce oil and Me are happy because of falling oil prices

[/quote]Except a lot of these oil companies have been around for a longtime. They didn't collapse during the Great Depression (in fact they were one of the few holdouts during that time). But this discussion is not about US oil prices, but Turk and by extension, Russian interests in oil for their economy.

BoganGod wrote:How about the turkish people who are kurds? Do they support the turkish army? Does the turkish army support them? Holy blue peacocks, and praying to hussien. What will goranz say about the kurds?

Kurds together with Syrian Army are biggest enemies of ISIS... If Turkish Army is fighting ISIS they will get another ally. Think before you write something

GoranZ wrote:

BoganGod wrote:How about the turkish people who are kurds? Do they support the turkish army? Does the turkish army support them? Holy blue peacocks, and praying to hussien. What will goranz say about the kurds?

Kurds together with Syrian Army are biggest enemies of ISIS... If Turkish Army is fighting ISIS they will get another ally. Think before you write something

Except the Turks are activily fighting Kurds (they attacked the group that is actually fighting Daesh rather than Daesh itself). They tolerate the Peshmerga (Kurds from Iraq), but the ones in Syria and many in Turkey they view as equals of Daesh.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, the Turkish government has been (quite openly) steering more towards being the Sultanate of old, rather than the Democracy that had been in place. Plus their inactions and not helping in taking ISIS forces in recent months, I would be suspiscious of anything Erdogan's government puts out there.

How can you be so dumb, so shortsighted?

Turkish government are heavily working on establishing Turkey as key player in Europan faith(for the whole continent, not just EU) and how it looks like they will succeed in their goal.

Except with Turkey's continuing to stay "out of other country's business" by not fighting an extreme and highly militant terrorist organization literally at their doorstep, they are alienating themselves from Europe. Not to mention, main Daesh fighters come through Turkey into Iraq and Syria. Not exactly espousing "European Faith" by allowing a powerful terrorist organization to essentially recruit in their borders. And European nations are taking note how Erdogan has reacted (or lack thereof) against the Daesh.

By the way, ad hominems do nothing to further your arguments.

How will they succeed that? Main pipelines(gas and oil) from the wells in Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq and most likely Russia and Kazakhstan(canceled South Stream will probably be built thew Turkey as Turkish Stream) will pass threw Turkey. That is almost half of whole energy demands(gas and oil) for Europe will come from Turkish territory. Can you even imagine how strong position is that for Turkey? From my point of view they can not imagine stronger position than that.

Except Iraq (and through Iraq to Syria) is still a huge war zone. Kind of hard to get it set up when those areas have battles raging almost constantly. And Turkey won't lift a finger to help. Truth be told, they attacked one of the forces actually fighting the Daesh, rather than the Daesh itself.

Why would they want to fight your war... Your war is your problem, US create it, US should deal with it.

Being a part of NATO, you know? And considering the fighting is literally a hop, skip, and a jump away from Turkey's borders, you would think that they would want things to settle down and try and eliminate these radical extremists. Instead, they just sit on their hands and watch the fighting and complain about refugees.

Being part of NATO doesnt mean that US can create problems around the world and expect others to solve it... If you create problem solve it, or shut up and dont whine.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:Will Erdogan's government succeed in establishing new Ottoman empire? Yes, Turkey will become economic giant in Europe very soon, and with that they will spread their interests primarily in the Balkans and in the middle east quite effectively...
On a long run I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey tries to mix its fingers deeper in the heart of Europe threw Muslim population in Europe.

Your assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish imperialism and that neighbors would be willing to do it (I recall Greece still doesn't particularly like the Turks). And hard to see how Turkey will become an "economic power" when Erdogan spends a ridiculous amount of money building a palace for himself through taxpayer dollars.

I'm not assuming all Muslims are sympathetic to Turkish Imperialism... I know, there is a difference. Between any Western country and Turkey(as dominantly muslim country) wast majority of the Muslims will chose Turkey.
Greece , you are kidding rite?

Based on what? Simply being Muslim? Many Muslims also just want to live their lives normally in Western countries and speak out publicly against these attacks. Why would they support Turkey, which has been radicalizing itself in recent years, over the countries that took them in/were born in? It's a strawman argument at best.

Yes Muslims tend to support Muslims...

muy_thaiguy wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Besides, with the freefall price of oil, and putting all their stock into it, like what Russia has (and their economy is reeling with that, and the sanctions are taking their own toll as well), may come to hurt them, rather than help.

It is not yet known which country produced more oil in 2014, Russia, Saudi Arabia or US but it is known that cheapest for production is Saudi's oil(they will make profit even with 20$ per barrel) but the most expensive for production is American oil(at least 80$ are required for production). Russia's oil production is more expensive then Saudi's one but it is at least twice cheaper then American one. So at current prices US is creating huge loses but surprisingly even for a person like you Russia and Saudi Arabia are still making huge profits. The problem for Russia is that they are not making as much profit as they want

That's the understatement of the year. If the oil prices continue to drop, Russia is looking at going bankrupt very soon, even with their reserves. And with the Ruble's value in economic free fall, and Putin essentially kicking out any Western business in Russia to spite his own nose, Russia's economy will soon his the "Bust" part of their "Boom and Bust" economy (it happens when only certain things are relied on for economic growth).

That is the reality of the collapse of the US oil industry, record number of wells already announced closure last week... The question is what if Russia doesn't bankrupt as you say, have you ever considered that possibility or you want to play Hitler's and Napoleon's cards vs Russia?

muy_thaiguy wrote:

On a long run US oil industry will collapse, US government will be forced to help some US Banks that supported that oil industry which will lead to increasing of US taxes for its citizens. In the end [player]muy_thaiguy[/player] will have to pay higher taxes which will be partially compensated with temporal low oil prices. I guess you like to be f*cked. I hope you dont mind but the Chinese, Indians, Europeans, all other countries that dont produce oil and Me are happy because of falling oil prices

Except a lot of these oil companies have been around for a longtime. They didn't collapse during the Great Depression (in fact they were one of the few holdouts during that time). But this discussion is not about US oil prices, but Turk and by extension, Russian interests in oil for their economy.

What does Great Depression has to do with oil prices? Are you aware that the Great Depression happen almost century ago

muy_thaiguy wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

BoganGod wrote:How about the turkish people who are kurds? Do they support the turkish army? Does the turkish army support them? Holy blue peacocks, and praying to hussien. What will goranz say about the kurds?

Kurds together with Syrian Army are biggest enemies of ISIS... If Turkish Army is fighting ISIS they will get another ally. Think before you write something

Except the Turks are activily fighting Kurds (they attacked the group that is actually fighting Daesh rather than Daesh itself). They tolerate the Peshmerga (Kurds from Iraq), but the ones in Syria and many in Turkey they view as equals of Daesh.

Hahaha... Currently Kurds are actively fighting ISIS and you claim that if ISIS attacks Turkey the Kurds and the Turks wont cooperate? For your idiotic statements.

Being part of NATO doesnt mean that US can create problems around the world and expect others to solve it... If you create problem solve it, or shut up and dont whine.

Who said we expect Turkey to solve it? Hell, they refuse to do anything to oppose the Daesh. In fact they have openly allowed the Daesh to recruit within their borders for sometime. And all that was asked was if the people actually fighting the Daesh could use runways in Turkey, making for easier flights.

Yes Muslims tend to support Muslims...

Apparently you haven't heard of Sunni vs Shia, or Turks cracking down Kurds, etc. So, ignorant comment is ignorant.

That is the reality of the collapse of the US oil industry, record number of wells already announced closure last week... The question is what if Russia doesn't bankrupt as you say, have you ever considered that possibility or you want to play Hitler's and Napoleon's cards vs Russia?

So, you go from oil wells closing to an invasion of Russia in the same sentence... Yeah. Okay then. Anyways, Russia is going bankrupt, the Ruble's value has lost tons of value, a lot of people have already got the hell out of there, and Putin and his flunkies are not concerning themselves with the troubles of the common man.

What does Great Depression has to do with oil prices? Are you aware that the Great Depression happen almost century ago

It was used as a comparison for a difficult time in a turbulent economy. Ever heard of the phrase "Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it"? Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I thought it was obviously applied, but since I had to explain it...

Hahaha... Currently Kurds are actively fighting ISIS and you claim that if ISIS attacks Turkey the Kurds and the Turks wont cooperate? For your idiotic statements.

The Turks already refuse to cooperate other than when they allowed 150 Peshmerga fighters to travel through Turkey to get to Kobane. Otherwise, they have a large amount of troops doing nothing but sitting on their hands at the border or arresting journalists who didn't care for Erdogan. Hell, the Turks have already attacked the Kurds in Turkey unprovoked once already (that has been reported).