Scandinavia Map

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:05 pm

I toyed with doing a Scandinavia myself, but my total inability to function graphics programs plus my zero knowledge of XML were sort of obstacles.

My concept was to go for a very large map much like World 2.0, with sub-regions and much larger regions. For instance, Sweden would be as you have it except you would get another bonus for holding all of Sweden. Norway would have more territories and split into 2 regions, all of Norway for a bigger bonus. The Baltic States would be divided into several territories to make them each a small region, and holding all Baltic States would be another big bonus. Finland would be further divided the same way.

I would also include every country in the image you have, including Russia, Germany, Poland, and Belarus.

If you are at all interested in doing it like this, I can go into more detail and link you to the maps that I was looking at for reference.

eeked · Post by **eeked** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:31 pm

World 2.0 is useless, it's simply to large.

I think the scandinavian map shows good promise for 4-player games, either in doubles or singles.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:18 pm

north norway bonus should only be 4 it will be too easy to hold otherwise.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:21 pm

eeked wrote:World 2.0 is useless, it's simply to large.

I think the scandinavian map shows good promise for 4-player games, either in doubles or singles.

LOL, World 2.0 is by far one of the most popular maps. I understand if you don't like it, it IS very big, but a LOT of people do and it's the only one of its kind. Most maps are scaled for 4 or 5 people games. If you like doubles, be happy, you've already got almost all the maps. But that's no reason to discourage any other map from ever being different from your preference.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:42 pm

Change Finland's name to Suomi.

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:14 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Change Finland's name to Suomi.

I don't know about that. Then I should change the names of all the parts of Finland too and they're too long in my opinion..
And the name of the Baltic countries too...

About the Nordic 2.0 version. I'm sure it would be nice, but I'm not a big fan of that map either so I think it's better if someone ells does it...

I want to to do a Swedish map in the future, but this will get finished first.

When you say northern Norway, I guess you mean Norrland - that is northern Sweden. I guess I could change it to 4, no problem. It's kinda big and have 4 borders though..

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:17 pm

mayby make the finlands country names finish, the norwegan names norweganish (^sp) etc.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:21 pm

Maybe some other say these, why you put Baltic country to Nordic Country?

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:43 pm

Wisse wrote:mayby make the finlands country names finish, the norwegan names norweganish (^sp) etc.

I can try and see if I can make it look good and if the names fit...

I included the Baltics cause they were included in the other version. I think it feels natural to have them on the map, since all the other countries that you can see all of on the map are included. I know it's not Scandinavia anymore, so maybe it's a bit off topic, but no one could agree on what areas belongs to Scandinavia so I included all the parts you can see on the map...

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:46 pm

Does anyone know the different baltic names on the baltic countries and the estonian island and what that "continent" should be called in the local language(s)?? There are different languages in every country right?

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:25 pm

I dont mine with these, but you must change title name to something diferent like "The Nordic and Baltic country" becouse Baltic country not Nordic country.

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:09 pm

I totally like the map by Dogonsi, especially tactically.

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:00 am

I made the suggested changes:

I have my own opinions on what's good or not but it's better if you comment first...

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:03 am

I'm not sure if there should be a 'n' at the end of the finish names...
I will ask a finish friend if no one here can help me?
I'm pretty sure that Oulun is supposed to be called Oulu.

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:52 am

And this is how it would look with numbers on it:

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:24 am

army shades are to tiny

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:48 am

you dont have impasabile borders?

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:20 pm

Wisse wrote:army shades are to tiny

They were the correct size when the map was 699px wide. He shrank the map to 600px wide and the shades with it, so he needs to redo those.

qwert wrote:you dont have impasabile borders?

I agree here, there are several regions which look like you simply couldn't defend them. Well, Sweden basically. Gotaland and Svealand need some love with impassable borders.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:11 pm

they are also to tiny on the larger map...

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:12 pm

RexRegis wrote:Current version

The old map (^) is much superior to this one. Maybe Andy shoudl contact the other cartographer and check if hes no more interested in finish it? It would be fair, too.

Edit: Hahaha, I had imagined this guy doing the recent version was from Sweden, and its confirmed

Baltics as one territory each. Norway, Finland and Denmark, all as one continent... then Sweden as 3 continents. What a patriot! :lol:

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:23 pm

the new one has the potential to be better than the old one. A few suggestions.

Table/design for key

Neutral territoies perhaps dark brown or dark grey to give it a lift

Army circles bigger (quite a bit)

Army shadows lighter

Danmark should be 3

Can vastmanland attack Halsingland?? make it clearer

Make svetland the green that is on baltikum and then make baltikum yellow

Make every colour slightly brighter

Make the lake by narke and ostergotland clearer i thought it was paer of narke at a short glance

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:26 pm

Marvaddin wrote:The old map (^) is much superior to this one. Maybe Andy shoudl contact the other cartographer and check if hes no more interested in finish it? It would be fair, too.

Maybe it is better, but would be nice if you could specify what is better.

Marvaddin wrote:Edit: Hahaha, I had imagined this guy doing the recent version was from Sweden, and its confirmed
Baltics as one territory each. Norway, Finland and Denmark, all as one continent... then Sweden as 3 continents. What a patriot!

Sure I'm swedish, and my mother is from Denmark so that's not why. If you look at wikipedia or any other place you could see that these are natural borders with real names. That wasn't the case with the other map. Sweden consist of three parts and I didn't want to make any other fake parts just to make it two parts. Sweden is also by far the biggest country and this looks like a natural way to split the map into continents.

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:41 pm

boberz wrote:the new one has the potential to be better than the old one. A few suggestions.

Table/design for key

Neutral territoies perhaps dark brown or dark grey to give it a lift

Sure. But I can't of like it this way too. It looks kinda clean.

boberz wrote:Army circles bigger (quite a bit)

Army shadows lighter

Will do. I did this version to test the map and the xml code.

boberz wrote:Danmark should be 3

Can vastmanland attack Halsingland?? make it clearer

But Danmark has 4 countries whereof 2 has borders, just like Baltikum.
You can't attack that way, that's how the borders were from the beginning, but I guess I could make it even clearer.

boberz wrote:Make svetland the green that is on baltikum and then make baltikum yellow

Make every colour slightly brighter

Ok, why? This way was the version that I found worked best, you can see the light yellow text clearly on all bakgrounds this way. I tried with darker text first, but this way seemed better.

boberz wrote:Make the lake by narke and ostergotland clearer i thought it was paer of narke at a short glance

Clearer in what way? Maybe I can move the text Närke so you can see the lake better?

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:44 pm

i was helping RexRegis put names on the map

last time i talked to him he was going though a bad time in his life so was not in a position to carry on with this map

i have a copy of the map on my computer if people think i should try to continue this map

Dogonsi · Post by **Dogonsi** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:49 pm

Samus wrote:
qwert wrote:you dont have impasabile borders?

I agree here, there are several regions which look like you simply couldn't defend them. Well, Sweden basically. Gotaland and Svealand need some love with impassable borders.

The big brown line between Sweden and Norway is supposed to be impassable. I Think it's obvious that it is, but maybe not?

I could add some impassable borders if you think it's neccessary? Maybe a river north of Östergötland so it's only Småland that is connected with Östergötland?

Like I said before, I don't want to add borders that don't exist and that includes the impassable ones. I don't like maps where they've added a mountain just to make an impassable border.