Conquer Club

So, somebody succeeded last night. But since it was either a doc or sheep (who is dead) I don't think we can learn much from that. Is there anyway to tell if it was the mafia or werewolfs who killed last night?

spiesr wrote:So, somebody succeeded last night. But since it was either a doc or sheep (who is dead) I don't think we can learn much from that. Is there anyway to tell if it was the mafia or werewolfs who killed last night?

Hard to tell from the scene but Id guess mafia.

Rereading yesterday I remembered how good SL is but I disagree with one or two things you said, hey no-ones perfect

Please dont suspect me on yesterdays actions, as someone kindly pointed out ace looks like scum no matter what side he is on.

My main suspect currently:

Natewolfman- Gut feeling, he was mainly quite but something struck me as off about him, hes been almost too quite just trying to blend in. Also the way he merely unvoted with an approaching deadline was suspicious a no lynch benifits scum.

And LSU why didn't you unvote drake after his near claim?

thats a reach, I never talk much on day 1 of anything (look at the other games im in) I mostly just vote and unvote, dont look to deep into it but now that we have had a death, things are actually discussable anyways if you wana know i unvoted because i had voted for drake (I think?) and it was a random vote, he had like 2 others after me so i took it off since i didnt want to accidently aid in that lynch, simple as that, however I didnt have sufficient evidence to condem ani either, so take that as you may

Natewolfman wrote::roll: thats a reach, I never talk much on day 1 of anything (look at the other games im in) I mostly just vote and unvote, dont look to deep into it but now that we have had a death, things are actually discussable anyways if you wana know i unvoted because i had voted for drake (I think?) and it was a random vote, he had like 2 others after me so i took it off since i didnt want to accidently aid in that lynch, simple as that, however I didnt have sufficient evidence to condem ani either, so take that as you may

As other people were pointing out its better to get a lynch before the deadline even if you don't have sufficient evidence as this allows you more information to go on day 2.

Hmm, only four posters so far and only three with anything resembling content. we need to get some people in here.

pmchugh wrote:

spiesr wrote:So, somebody succeeded last night. But since it was either a doc or sheep (who is dead) I don't think we can learn much from that. Is there anyway to tell if it was the mafia or werewolfs who killed last night?

Hard to tell from the scene but Id guess mafia.

Really? It sounds like a werewolf kill to me-blood on the walls, floor and ceiling! A little too messy to be a mafia kill if you ask me.

Whoever it was sucks. Picking on poor little ol' sheep.

Also, it has to have been a werewolf. I mean come on, I the perfect werewolf candidate being a sheep and all.

EBYOP: target*, rather. Perfect werewolf target.

dunc_2007 wrote:

pmchugh wrote:

spiesr wrote:So, somebody succeeded last night. But since it was either a doc or sheep (who is dead) I don't think we can learn much from that. Is there anyway to tell if it was the mafia or werewolfs who killed last night?

Hard to tell from the scene but Id guess mafia.

Really? It sounds like a werewolf kill to me-blood on the walls, floor and ceiling! A little too messy to be a mafia kill if you ask me.

Thought I'd just say: there's no information hidden in the scenes.

Carry on.

spiesr wrote:So, somebody succeeded last night. But since it was either a doc or sheep (who is dead) I don't think we can learn much from that. Is there anyway to tell if it was the mafia or werewolfs who killed last night?

After reading Stroop's last post, I'm pretty sure there's no way to tell if it was the mafia or the werewolfs. I don't think it matters that much really which of them made the kill, what's important is that either they both targeted sheep (I don't think sheep was a very obvious target, so I doubt this) or one of them failed their kill.

pmchugh wrote:Rereading yesterday I remembered how good SL is but I disagree with one or two things you said, hey no-ones perfect

Please quote the things you disagree with and explain why you disagree with me on those things. I think it would make for a useful discussion.

pmchugh wrote:Please dont suspect me on yesterdays actions, as someone kindly pointed out ace looks like scum no matter what side he is on.

You're replacing ace, who was on top of my scum-list yesterday (and still is, meaning you still are). I really can't accept "but ace always looks like scum" as a reasonable argument. My suspicions of you have been raised even more with the revelation that sheep was a roleblocker and the fact that there was only one kill last night. It might have been a doc, or even a double-kill, but there's a decent chance that sheep prevented a kill. Now think about who he would target: he voted ace yesterday. I admit this is mostly speculation, but it sure as hell is not making you look more pro-town. I'm not condemning you on forehand though. You state some valid suspicions which are worth looking into also:

pmchugh wrote:My main suspect currently:

Natewolfman- Gut feeling, he was mainly quite but something struck me as off about him, hes been almost too quite just trying to blend in. Also the way he merely unvoted with an approaching deadline was suspicious a no lynch benifits scum.

And LSU why didn't you unvote drake after his near claim?

I don't blame LSU for not unvoting. If I recall correctly, I didn't unvote him myself and I stand by that decision. Your suspicion on Natewolfman is more interesting. I read back to see what he posted yesterday; that cost about 5 seconds. His unvote, apparently without any intention of reaching a lynch or even stating his current suspicions (which is something most people would want to get out before night, in case they die), is scummy indeed.

Natewolfman wrote::roll: thats a reach, I never talk much on day 1 of anything (look at the other games im in) I mostly just vote and unvote, dont look to deep into it but now that we have had a death, things are actually discussable

People who always act scummy (even on purpose) deserve to be lynched for it. This is the same argument pmchugh tried to use just now to explain ace's day 1 behaviour, and it's not an acceptable excuse.

Natewolfman wrote:anyways if you wana know i unvoted because i had voted for drake (I think?) and it was a random vote, he had like 2 others after me so i took it off since i didnt want to accidently aid in that lynch, simple as that, however I didnt have sufficient evidence to condem ani either, so take that as you may

You will never have evidence on anyone on Day 1 of any game. What you need is suspicions, nothing more. How does ani come into this? I find it hard to believe you suspected him, because you never mentioned him before this post. You said yourself that the game is "actually discussable" now, so please go ahead and start discussing. Who do you think is most likely scum? And second-likely? And why?

Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

I must say that I am still suspicious of switchblade. Unfortunately, since switch is now spiesr, there's no way to get any info out of him regarding his comments yesterday.

Here is the info: switch is an idiot.

SL wrote:Please quote the things you disagree with and explain why you disagree with me on those things. I think it would make for a useful discussion.

Ok heres one:

Sierra_Leon wrote:Drake & everyone else: please never ever try to direct a doc, vig, cop, or any other power role. It's safe to assume the people playing those roles have a mind of their own and can come to these conclusions themselves. Trying to manipulate their actions is something scum would tend to do and I consider it a scumtell.

I disagree with this. If you are a townie power role who has claimed what is wrong with asking the doc to protect you. Even if the doc doesn't protect you the mafia are unlikely to target you in case he has, yes scum could use this against you but their is nothing wrong with town doing it either IMO.

SL wrote:You're replacing ace, who was on top of my scum-list yesterday (and still is, meaning you still are). I really can't accept "but ace always looks like scum" as a reasonable argument. My suspicions of you have been raised even more with the revelation that sheep was a roleblocker and the fact that there was only one kill last night. It might have been a doc, or even a double-kill, but there's a decent chance that sheep prevented a kill. Now think about who he would target: he voted ace yesterday. I admit this is mostly speculation, but it sure as hell is not making you look more pro-town. I'm not condemning you on forehand though. You state some valid suspicions which are worth looking into also:

Fair enough but I can't exactly defend annything from yesterday as I wasn't playing, ace isnt the best player in the world and didn't exactly help my (or your) cause. As for the one kill thing there isn't much I can say, excpet I wasn't blocked.

spiesr wrote:Here is the info: switch is an idiot.

Is there anything you can give to us from what he said to being fake?

Well I looked back and gathered up his posts. There is not much here and it doesn't make much sense to me.

switchblade wrote:vote Sierra_Leon for coming up with a good reason to lynch someone.

Day 1 random vote.

switchblade wrote:unvote vote drake_259
sorry for missing awhile. got a new computer today.

Gets on the drake bandwagon after drake claimed. I'm not really sure why he didn't believe the claim.

switchblade wrote:Maybe i voted for Drake because i am a werewolf...

Says something worthless. Pathetic attempt at a joke?

switchblade wrote:

dunc_2007 wrote:Really? Are you claiming to be a werewolf?

no, im not, but there was a hint hidden deep within my words.

He says he was hiding clues. I don't know what he considers a clue but I don't see one.
My overall conclusion is that is actions stem from his inexperience causing him to conclude from his own role that there is no wolfsbane. I would not agree with his assessment however.

Im not sure I believe drakes claim, it may not be far from the truth but it could be what stopped the second kill last night, if you know what I mean. Of course it could just have been a doc or sheep, I reckon there is at least one doc probably two. Perhaps one could stop wolf kills and the other could stop mafia kills. But this is all just guess work.

speisr wrote:

switchblade wrote:

dunc_2007 wrote:Really? Are you claiming to be a werewolf?

no, im not, but there was a hint hidden deep within my words.

He says he was hiding clues. I don't know what he considers a clue but I don't see one.
My overall conclusion is that is actions stem from his inexperience causing him to conclude from his own role that there is no wolfsbane. I would not agree with his assessment however.

Hmm Im not sure about this it doesnt really add up.

pmchugh would you care to do something similar and try to explain your past self's actions?

1. we were trying to get a lynch on day 1 and switch was way up on my suspicion chart from his actions and comments.
2. i wasn't around on CC that much as you may or may not have noticed from several of my other games
3. there was a hint that someone else was claiming wolfsbane and the only way to figure out if one of them was a possible scum trying to do it is to lynch one. Personally I believed drake so with Switch trying to hint at countering the claim I went for him. Unless we have an idiot as a wolf(note Ace and switch were both replaced so that limits the possibility the wolfsbane is actually useless other then the person being an actual townie.

I was the one that said Ace always looks scummy no matter what side he is on.

I'm curious as to why animo didn't have a vote on anyone at the end of day 1. You should know better then that animo.

Don't know who to suspect now, since ace and switch have both been replaced by more level headed people

spiesr wrote:pmchugh would you care to do something similar and try to explain your past self's actions?

OK but this feels like im defending someone else not myself.

ace1217 wrote:Vote ani because he can morph! We bagged a werewolf, easy!

Day 1 Random Vote.

ace1217 wrote:Going to have to vote drake

Bandwaggoning, Drake looked suspicious this was before his claim or half claim. Seems reasonable at this point all though asI said it seems a bit bandwaggony to me.

ace1217 wrote:Unvote because I think I know what your hinting at.

He unvotes after the half claim because he is probably suspecting bomb or something along those lines. This seems sensible to me.

ace1217 wrote:Vote drake

This seems strange after drake refuses to reveal his role he goes back on what he said previously, or perhaps now he said he wasnt a bomb he didn't believe him anymore. Chances are he got swayed by the more experienced players.

Will finish later gtg.

Apparently thats all he said, not much. He bandwaggoned a little and didn't explain his votes which never helps but nothing that is particularly scummy more like typical ace play.

p.s Nate you got anything to say to SL's comments:

Sierra_Leon wrote:

pmchugh wrote:My main suspect currently:

Natewolfman- Gut feeling, he was mainly quite but something struck me as off about him, hes been almost too quite just trying to blend in. Also the way he merely unvoted with an approaching deadline was suspicious a no lynch benifits scum.

Your suspicion on Natewolfman is more interesting. I read back to see what he posted yesterday; that cost about 5 seconds. His unvote, apparently without any intention of reaching a lynch or even stating his current suspicions (which is something most people would want to get out before night, in case they die), is scummy indeed.

Natewolfman wrote::roll: thats a reach, I never talk much on day 1 of anything (look at the other games im in) I mostly just vote and unvote, dont look to deep into it but now that we have had a death, things are actually discussable

People who always act scummy (even on purpose) deserve to be lynched for it. This is the same argument pmchugh tried to use just now to explain ace's day 1 behaviour, and it's not an acceptable excuse.

Natewolfman wrote:anyways if you wana know i unvoted because i had voted for drake (I think?) and it was a random vote, he had like 2 others after me so i took it off since i didnt want to accidently aid in that lynch, simple as that, however I didnt have sufficient evidence to condem ani either, so take that as you may

You will never have evidence on anyone on Day 1 of any game. What you need is suspicions, nothing more. How does ani come into this? I find it hard to believe you suspected him, because you never mentioned him before this post. You said yourself that the game is "actually discussable" now, so please go ahead and start discussing. Who do you think is most likely scum? And second-likely? And why?

Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

Merry christmas Icepeak!

Sierra_Leon wrote:Finally, FOS sam_levi_11 for reacting to a town death. That's a scumtell.

Care to respond to this sam_levi_11?