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Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:46 pm
by jonesthecurl
Actually, the curlson as well as the curlette seems to be playing with the idea. Thank the gods for the tempting smell of bacon!

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:51 pm
by Neoteny
jonesthecurl wrote:Actually, the curlson as well as the curlette seems to be playing with the idea. Thank the gods for the tempting smell of bacon!


Too true. I can't deny the respect I have for someone who can resist the charms of such for more nobler causes, but I also can't help but feel that they are missing out (much like we are on proper animal care of the animals we eat).

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:13 pm
by Thor Son of Olaf
laci_mae wrote:I recently remembered that when dog fighting became a huge issue (thanks Mike Vick!) several reporters compared it to hunting. Animal rights issues in general interest me, so I was wondering what you think.

So as not to taint the thread, I'll chime in later with my own thoughts.

Best,
L



Meat is murder......wait for it........................











:D Tasty, succulent murder!

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:52 am
by khazalid
hmm, i wonder how old she is?

tell her that when she grows up she will have to work to make a living. and so do the milk cows!

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:18 am
by jonesthecurl
khazalid wrote:hmm, i wonder how old she is?

tell her that when she grows up she will have to work to make a living. and so do the milk cows!


She's 10, and very much a foodie. Until this surprise twist she was quite interested in cooking too, but is of course now much restricted in her options there.
The veggie thing seems to be a bit of a fad amongst her classmates too.
I don't know what she'll do come Xmas, when the rest of us have Roast Turkey and bacon and sausagemeat stuffing...

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:20 am
by jonesthecurl
Mind you her classmates will have to contend with the very similar Thanksgiving meal first. (We haven't bothered with that so far, since (a) we're Brits and (b) we have no family in the US to invite/visit).

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:08 pm
by Jenos Ridan
Tell her nothing, let her taste buds do the talking. Have you even tried tofu? If not, don't.

Given me a hardy bowl of beef stew anyday. Don't think I've ever had mutton or lamb, otherside of the odd gyro, I think that would be because I might be the only one in my family who might like it.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:50 pm
by Neoteny
Jenos Ridan wrote:Tell her nothing, let her taste buds do the talking. Have you even tried tofu? If not, don't.

Given me a hardy bowl of beef stew anyday. Don't think I've ever had mutton or lamb, otherside of the odd gyro, I think that would be because I might be the only one in my family who might like it.


Despite being an avid meat eater, I'm actually a proponent of tofu. It's rather versatile.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:16 pm
by jonesthecurl
Yes, nothing wrong with tofu prepared well.

I am almost tempted to make her veggie food boring and repetetive, to bring her round. But I find I can't deliberately make bad food, it just runs counter to my instincts.

Maybe I should just say "I'll cook the meat dishes, your Mum can do the veggie ones!"

[if you're reading this Mrs curl, I was just kidding. If you're not, I'm sure that would work!]

Good news is, tonight I made a turkey version of shepherd's pie and a veggie version - the curlson went for the turkey.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:40 am
by Neoteny
jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, nothing wrong with tofu prepared well.

I am almost tempted to make her veggie food boring and repetetive, to bring her round. But I find I can't deliberately make bad food, it just runs counter to my instincts.

Maybe I should just say "I'll cook the meat dishes, your Mum can do the veggie ones!"

[if you're reading this Mrs curl, I was just kidding. If you're not, I'm sure that would work!]

Good news is, tonight I made a turkey version of shepherd's pie and a veggie version - the curlson went for the turkey.


Attaboy.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:27 am
by Jenos Ridan
jonesthecurl wrote:Yes, nothing wrong with tofu prepared well.

I am almost tempted to make her veggie food boring and repetetive, to bring her round. But I find I can't deliberately make bad food, it just runs counter to my instincts.

Maybe I should just say "I'll cook the meat dishes, your Mum can do the veggie ones!"

[if you're reading this Mrs curl, I was just kidding. If you're not, I'm sure that would work!]

Good news is, tonight I made a turkey version of shepherd's pie and a veggie version - the curlson went for the turkey.


Like I said, the taste buds did the talking.

Well, that and his sniffer.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:32 am
by Hologram
Neoteny wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:Tell her nothing, let her taste buds do the talking. Have you even tried tofu? If not, don't.

Given me a hardy bowl of beef stew anyday. Don't think I've ever had mutton or lamb, otherside of the odd gyro, I think that would be because I might be the only one in my family who might like it.


Despite being an avid meat eater, I'm actually a proponent of tofu. It's rather versatile.

Tofu as a substitute is terrible. Tofu as its own independent ingredient (such as in egg flower soup) is great.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:30 am
by jonesthecurl
anyhow back to the debate:
Is it alright to eat snails?
Is it alright to step on/drive over a snail?
should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:06 am
by Neoteny
jonesthecurl wrote:anyhow back to the debate:
Is it alright to eat snails?
Is it alright to step on/drive over a snail?
should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Snails are vile, tasteless creatures. Eat them if you must, but you cannot force them on me.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:07 am
by muy_thaiguy
Neoteny wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:anyhow back to the debate:
Is it alright to eat snails?
Is it alright to step on/drive over a snail?
should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Snails are vile, tasteless creatures. Eat them if you must, but you cannot force them on me.

So much for being a delicacy.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:10 am
by Neoteny
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:anyhow back to the debate:
Is it alright to eat snails?
Is it alright to step on/drive over a snail?
should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Snails are vile, tasteless creatures. Eat them if you must, but you cannot force them on me.

So much for being a delicacy.


Texture-wise they are ok, if you can handle very chewy things (similar to octopus, but chewier, I think). But, and this could just be bad preparation, they are probably the blandest things I've ever eaten.

Squirrel on the other hand...

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:12 am
by jonesthecurl
Yes, I used to think I liked snails until I learned to cook, and discovered that it's the garlic butter sauce that I like. Snails are pretty well tasteless themselves.


But I was thinking more of the moral point of view.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:13 am
by pimpdave
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:33 pm
by laci_mae
pimpdave wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.


Agreed.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:55 pm
by Hologram
pimpdave wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.

I personally have no experience with red squirrels, but I do know that I wish for every gray squirrel in these here parts to suffer a slow painful death and be sent to hell for the vile, evil creatures they are.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:57 pm
by Frigidus
Hologram wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.

I personally have no experience with red squirrels, but I do know that I wish for every gray squirrel in these here parts to suffer a slow painful death and be sent to hell for the vile, evil creatures they are.


I feel that way about all animals, especially kittens.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:58 pm
by Hologram
Frigidus wrote:
Hologram wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.

I personally have no experience with red squirrels, but I do know that I wish for every gray squirrel in these here parts to suffer a slow painful death and be sent to hell for the vile, evil creatures they are.


I feel that way about all animals, especially kittens.

Nah, just the squirrels and crows.

However, I am of the belief that any meat is good meat, and the more pain that my next meal feels at the slaughterhouse, the more taste I enjoy.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:06 pm
by Neoteny
Frigidus wrote:
Hologram wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.

I personally have no experience with red squirrels, but I do know that I wish for every gray squirrel in these here parts to suffer a slow painful death and be sent to hell for the vile, evil creatures they are.


I feel that way about all animals, especially kittens.


I flipped off a box of kittens once.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:22 pm
by Frigidus
Neoteny wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Hologram wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:should I feel grief for every roadkill squirrel?


Only if it's a red squirrel. There's too many gray squirrels, and they bully the reds.

I personally have no experience with red squirrels, but I do know that I wish for every gray squirrel in these here parts to suffer a slow painful death and be sent to hell for the vile, evil creatures they are.


I feel that way about all animals, especially kittens.


I flipped off a box of kittens once.


A classic.

Re: Animal Rights

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:29 pm
by Neoteny
Frigidus wrote:A classic.


Too true. The baby punching would have worked well earlier.