Conquer Club

reverend_kyle wrote:

dwightschrute wrote:

reverend_kyle wrote:Really, I blame the media. They focus on such an atmosphere of fear and violence that if you want to go out and make a bang because you are sick of life. A massacre is the way to remember. The funny thing is the citizens aren't the only ones doing it half the time.

how do u blame the media. what did they do to get blamed? telling the story?

They reward the stories that involve death by lots of coverage.


The crazy people who want to go out with a bang thing that violent fits will get them on the news. and it will.

I agree with you 100% reverend_kyle, look at the shootings that have happened in recent history, they got so much publicity. If you wanted to kill yourself, you would want to be remembered so what do you do? Take a gun to school with you and start shooting, then shoot yourself. Weather or not you'd be dead you would be on the news for months and this guy will be in the record books for awhile with the deadliest school shooting in History... That is untill another school shooting far worse happens, and its not even a matter of if its a matter of when. Some idiot will try to out do this guy some day, mark my words on it.

MR. Nate wrote:

Hitman079 wrote:i'm amazed the gunman killed 32 people with a 9mm handgun. i mean, that's an almost impossible feat even in video games.

In video games, people are shooting back. Actually, I've heard some people saying that violent video games help to create the mindset necessary to begin a mass killing, but this seems the wrong time to enter that debate, just like it is the wrong time to debate the gun control issue. (Joep)

My condolences and prayers to anyone impacted by this tragedy. And I mean that.

yes, video games can influence violence especially when taking LSD

wicked wrote:I am horrified, some people in this world are completely insane. I can't believe what I'm reading about what happened at VT today. I lived in that dorm and took classes in that hall and went to school with those people. *@#%*$(( FUCKING LUNATIC!

Indeed. We're all been affected, in some way or another, by this unfortunate event, wicked.

Though, it's still good to hear about those who helped others escape while the shots were being fired. Like Prof. Kevin ******. Saw him on the news today. Was an uncle to a friend of mine. He will be missed like so many others.

When there's nothing left to say, all you can do is look back to see how these things can be prevented for the [near] future.

its horriyfing that people are capable of such horendous evil and the bastard will no doubt come back as no better then a cockoroach or burn i hell if thats what u believe. no one should have their lives cut so short and i would grieve with anyone over these sad events.

on the note of video games. games dont cause violence anymore then the bible or alcohol, because a few whack jobs say that god told them it doesnt make everyone try and ban the bible and just because some bad apples who drink turn to violence or become alcoholics doesnt meant that all do.

and again anyone effected by this haneous crime has my deepest sympathys and my condolences.

reverend_kyle wrote:

2dimes wrote:

dcowboys055 wrote:Why would getting media coverage make a difference if they'll be dead, and not around to see it?

They don't think that far along.

incorrect, the media coverage makes them better remembered.

Do you remember columbine?

Will you remember VT?

Do you remember Oklahoma City?

you should remember this. it was an awful thing. it will be remembered media or not

The point was that dcowboy wondered why someone kills themselves in such a way as to make an impact on media even though they won't be able to watch the news.

My response is they don't think it out that far along, only imagining what a stir they will make.

I just recently heard one of the victims (who was only wounded, and survived)...also happened to be a Freshman at Columbine when chaos broke out there. I can't imagine being involved in one of these events, let alone both.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:I just recently heard one of the victims (who was only wounded, and survived)...also happened to be a Freshman at Columbine when chaos broke out there. I can't imagine being involved in one of these events, let alone both.


--Andy

wow, i would be carred for life. in colombine, and THEN getting shot a t VT

I don't think she was shot in either. Not that that matters... living through them both is horrific enough.

Hm, yeah, perhaps she wasn't shot...but still, like Wicked said...dealing with one...is unthinkable...dealing with both...is...I don't even know.


--Andy

Welcome to America people. As I said this world is going to get worse, and talking about it isn't going to help. I know it's hard for those who lost loved ones, but the best thing to do is, get, over, it.

Healthy discussion is helpfull to get over things.

Psilocbin wrote:Welcome to America people. As I said this world is going to get worse, and talking about it isn't going to help. I know it's hard for those who lost loved ones, but the best thing to do is, get, over, it.

I vote we put him in the next school that gets shot-up and see if he changes his tune.



-X

Get real, this is just another incident that occured. This is nothing compared to what goes on in Iraq. U.S. has the tendancy to blow things way out of proportion.

Psilocbin wrote:Get real, this is just another incident that occured. This is nothing compared to what goes on in Iraq. U.S. has the tendancy to blow things way out of proportion.

True, but I also believe that you would say different if you were one of the students.

-X

XenHu wrote:

Psilocbin wrote:Get real, this is just another incident that occured. This is nothing compared to what goes on in Iraq. U.S. has the tendancy to blow things way out of proportion.

True, but I also believe that you would say different if you were one of the students.

-X

heh, I just read that bitch's plays. Pretty intense. I've seen worse, I'm surprised it didn't happen in Norcal before VT.

Psilocbin wrote:talking about it isn't going to help.

wrong. talking does help people "get over it". Will I get over it? Sure. Just like I "got over" the death of any of my loved ones who have passed. Will I forget? Hell no.

wicked wrote:

Psilocbin wrote:talking about it isn't going to help.

wrong. talking does help people "get over it". Will I get over it? Sure. Just like I "got over" the death of any of my loved ones who have passed. Will I forget? Hell no.

Yes, but why are we talking about it?

Hey, I found the douchebag who did it.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/200 ... -2-600.jpg

psilo, you can talk about if you want to, no one's forcing you to. I personally feel the need to talk about it b/c of my connections to the school.

I was just talking to a co-worker, and it turns out one of my fave professors was also in Norris at the time teaching, but he was able to get out with his class. That prof is my co-worker's brother-in-law... small world.

I like how Dr. Phil blames video games.

My opinion:

1. Dr. Phil is just human, why the f*ck do I care what he thinks about this? I want to see what is happening.

2. I liked it when no video games were around, no killing back in the day.

3. When I play Guitar Hero I tend to want to kill my whole school.

4. What is his explanation of all the horrid massacres before?

Obituary: Dr. Kevin Granata a Victim of Virginia Tech Massacre
April 17, 2007

If professional achievement and boundless human qualities were keys to a long life, Kevin Granata, Ph.D., would not have died on Monday April 17. He was one of 32 students and faculty slain by a gunman on the campus of the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern United States history. The reaction to his death from colleagues is testament to the untimeliness and tragedy of this particular death.

Dr. Granata, a professor in the Engineering Science and Mechanics Department at Virginia Tech, is widely published and cited. His research interests at the Musculoskeletal Biomechanics Laboratory at the school include age and gender factors influencing neuromuscular control of balance and stability, occupational factors influencing risk of musculoskeletal load and instability, neuromuscular performance in voluntary and involuntary control and computational and robot simulation of balance and legged locomotion. His study in recent years of cerebral palsy draws on much of his expertise in these areas.

Prior to his appointment at Virginia Tech in 2003, Professor Granata served in the military and graduated with a Ph.D. from Ohio State University in 1993. He held a full time appointment in the Orthopaedic Surgery department at the University of Virginia (U VA) from May 1997 to January 2003, when he took up his appointment at Virginia Tech. Since 2003 he has continued his orthopaedic research at U VA as an adjunct faculty member.

In an interview with the Associated Press, Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the Engineering Science and Mechanics Department, described Dr. Granata as one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy.

Professor Granata authored or co-authored scores of papers, many with his Ph.D. supervisor at Ohio State and later research collaborator, William Marras, Ph.D.

Dr. Marras, the Director of the Biodynamics Laboratory at OSU and a professor in the Industrial and Systems Engineering faculty at the school, came to know Dr. Granata well, both professionally and personally. In an interview with Ergonomics Today™ on the day following the massacre, he described the slain professor as a theoretical biomechanist who wondered about issues such as how people get hurt – or the causality of musculoskeletal disorders.

“My area of interest is the spine,” Dr. Marras explained, “and since he studied under me for many years his area became the spine too. We would have discussions about how the spine is injured as a result of the types of work you are doing, and we did very similar types of work for many years, then he branched off into an area called stability, so he brought really the logic of stability to the biomechanics of the spine.”

As an ergonomist and human factors engineer, Valerie J. Berg Rice, Ph.D., CPE, OTR/L, has found occasion to draw on Dr. Granata’s research. The Chief of the Army Research Laboratory-Human Research and Engineering Division of the Army Medical Department, she told Ergonomics Today™ that his research has contributed significantly “to the literature for clinicians and their patients, as well as for researchers seeking to impact the understanding of biomechanics, reflexes and the impact of fatigue.”

Professor Marras’ close association with Professor Granata as his early research supervisor gave him a keen insight into his character. “He was a tremendous person,” Dr. Marras recalled. “Not only was he a very bright intellect, but he was very kind. He was crazy about his family,” – wife Linda and three children. “He always mentioned that family comes first, no matter what he did.”

“In terms of friends and colleagues,” he added, “he was the kind of guy that everybody liked. His strength was (that) he was able to talk about very complex concepts and make them very simple. … And he did that through examples. He would get an example that he knew everyone could understand, and he would relate it to the more complex concepts.”

Dr. Rice Berg echoed the testament to Dr. Granata’s character. “His work and his efforts were always focused on improving the lives of others and bettering the world for mankind, rather than merely answering the call to ‘publish or perish.’” He will be missed professionally and personally by his colleagues and friends throughout the world.”

Speaking for colleagues in the ergonomics and human factors community, she described the prevailing sadness about his death. “There are three of us here at Ft. Sam Houston who attended Virginia Tech in Human Factors and Ergonomics. We hear of our soldiers being killed every day, but we never expect for a university professor to be among those killed by gun fire. Our hearts and prayers are with his family.”

His work meant the world to those of us dealing with Cerebral Palsy

Thanks boogie, hadn't seen that yet.

reverend_kyle wrote:Really, I blame the media. They focus on such an atmosphere of fear and violence that if you want to go out and make a bang because you are sick of life. A massacre is the way to remember. The funny thing is the citizens aren't the only ones doing it half the time.

id kinda like to expand on this. if any of your havent heard, apparently for the 2 hours between the dorm shooting and actually going into the school he taped a video of why he did it and all that stuff. then he sent it to NBC news. you bet your ass they just about shit themselves when they saw that. they hit the jackpot and the knew it.hell they were probably in a good mood because the had exclusive rights to probably the biggest news of the year. they even gave it a catchy name the "mulit-media manifesto"

it's what people wanted to see. they wanted to try to understand what may have motivated this madman. humans are naturally curious... it's why they stare at car crashes.