Conquer Club

Victor Sullivan wrote:Wait, so PCM was Ptah?

-Sully

He GGed, so I think so.

Violet, what have you got for us?

Victor Sullivan wrote:Wait, so PCM was Ptah?

-Sully

Yeah that's fixed.

edocsil wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Wait, so PCM was Ptah?

-Sully

Yeah that's fixed.

No worries

-Sully

Lets make sure to keep up activity.

MeDeFe seemed to be okay with putting VioIet dangerously close to being lynched (L-1). He should know that mafia could have easily placed a lynching vote (which one could speculate that perhaps all of the mafia were already on the bandwagon, but this becomes borderline WIFOM).

MeDeFe wrote:Violet appears to be at 5 votes, lynch is at 7, so.

unvote
vote Violet

It was either Naxus, who (I think) didn't post even when the wagon against him got going, or Vio, and all things considered I'd prefer to pressure the person who occasionally posts. How about a claim?

While we eagerly await Vio's results, I am going to vote MeDeFe for reasons stated above.

-Sully

I would put more thought to that case vic but didn't that happen when we were within a few hours from deadline?

I was hoping I could hear what Vio had to say before I said anything. Partly because I'm not sure how strong the only case I have right now is (Jonty, similar reasons as yesterday plus hesitant hypocrisy), partly because anything a cop says is important...At this point though I'm not sure when we will hear from vio. I'd ask Edoc if she had read her investigation result but obviously he wouldn't answer anyways as that would be confirming a role.

Well we seem to be somewhat hoping that Vio got a guilty result. If she did get a guilty result, then it's great, but it being so early in the game, I'm leaning towards her getting an innocent result which still doesn't give us a direction for a lynch.

strike wolf wrote:I would put more thought to that case vic but didn't that happen when we were within a few hours from deadline?

That's exactly what we were.


And even an innocent result on an investigation would be somewhat helpful. If the rest of us get close to lynching that person Vio could always step in and tell us they're a townie.

I'm not saying we should completely forget about Vio's N1 investigation but we've spent 3 of our 14 days until deadline waiting for Vio and if we wait too much longer with an innocent case it could get tricky to organise a lynch.

MeDeFe wrote:

strike wolf wrote:I would put more thought to that case vic but didn't that happen when we were within a few hours from deadline?

That's exactly what we were.


And even an innocent result on an investigation would be somewhat helpful. If the rest of us get close to lynching that person Vio could always step in and tell us they're a townie.

True, but Vio has barely said anything. Can we really count on her to step in with a cleared investigation if we're about to lynch someone down the road?

I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to the cop, but the activity of the cop worries me as she may or may not be around when we need her information.

Edocsil, please prod Violet.

Thank you.

Rodion wrote:Edocsil, please prod Violet.

Thank you.

Copy.

strike wolf wrote:I would put more thought to that case vic but didn't that happen when we were within a few hours from deadline?

I was hoping I could hear what Vio had to say before I said anything. Partly because I'm not sure how strong the only case I have right now is (Jonty, similar reasons as yesterday plus hesitant hypocrisy), partly because anything a cop says is important...At this point though I'm not sure when we will hear from vio. I'd ask Edoc if she had read her investigation result but obviously he wouldn't answer anyways as that would be confirming a role.

I suppose you make a fair point. At any rate, MeDeFe didn't rebut for himself, which isn't great, either, given that activity seems to be an issue.

-Sully

MeDeFe wrote:Vio, who did you investigate, and what was the result?

Sorry all! I didn't check the mafia threads this weekend. Catching up now.

Unfortunately, I was blocked last night.

No new information to go on. I also have a feeling that I'll probably be blocked every night now, if I'm not killed first.

I never should have claimed in the first place, with it being so close to the deadline. I claimed about an hour before the deadline, and no one hammered within that time frame. Bad timing on my part.

VioIet wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:Vio, who did you investigate, and what was the result?

Sorry all! I didn't check the mafia threads this weekend. Catching up now.

Unfortunately, I was blocked last night.

No new information to go on. I also have a feeling that I'll probably be blocked every night now, if I'm not killed first.

I never should have claimed in the first place, with it being so close to the deadline. I claimed about an hour before the deadline, and no one hammered within that time frame. Bad timing on my part.

Well we would have continued where we left off yesterday so would probably force you to claim and anyway a townie could have accidently dropped the hammer without the claim - mafia would anyway as they know who there fellow brethren are.

Yes claiming was the right move vio. You may have been hammered without that claim. So I assume this means that mafia has a role blocker (unless there is a busdriver who mixed things up or a jailkeeper/paranoid cop).

strike wolf wrote:Yes claiming was the right move vio. You may have been hammered without that claim. So I assume this means that mafia has a role blocker (unless there is a busdriver who mixed things up or a jailkeeper/paranoid cop).

What does a paranoid cop have to do with this

Jailkeeper sounds more likely than busdriver in this incidence (alive and roleblocked)

jonty125 wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Yes claiming was the right move vio. You may have been hammered without that claim. So I assume this means that mafia has a role blocker (unless there is a busdriver who mixed things up or a jailkeeper/paranoid cop).

What does a paranoid cop have to do with this

Jailkeeper sounds more likely than busdriver in this incidence (alive and roleblocked)

I meant paranoid doc. A paranoid doc is like a jailkeeper but is unaware that they role blovk the person they protect.

Well that's possible, but given a small game size, from a balance perspective, having a town jailkeeper makes the existence of a town doctor be a lower probability.

Of course, it could be a NV game, which would make this Meta a moot point.

safariguy5 wrote:Well that's possible, but given a small game size, from a balance perspective, having a town jailkeeper makes the existence of a town doctor be a lower probability.

Of course, it could be a NV game, which would make this Meta a moot point.

What's a NV game

Non-vanilla. I think that's fairly self-explanatory as to what it means but basically no vanilla townies.

I went through the last couple of pages and looked at the wagon against Vio went in a bit more detail. SW's case against her was really quite flimsy, essentially she was still joking around when he thought we should be getting serious. PCM joined half a day later, arguing that we were more likely to get something out of her than out of Naxus who was completely inactive. VS jumped on half a day later again with no real stated reason for his vote. Jonty had announced that he would switch in advance and did so half a day later again, then Safari joined relatively quickly, stating that one was as good as the other, and I put Vio L-1 ~13 hours before the day ended (the deadline had been officially set to ~6 hours from then) in an attempt to force a claim.


I can't say whether the fact that SW made his case at all indicates that he's scum or town, I see good reasons both ways, but the fact that it was based on evidence that imo doesn't really deserve that moniker remains. The joke phase always phases gradually into more serious gameplay. I think it's pretty much inevitable. Calling someone out because they still joke around for a while is too weak reasoning for my taste. I believe the correct term here is IGMEOY

VS's vote struck me as the scummiest. He switched from one wagon (Naxus) with three votes, to a wagon (Vio) that had only 2 votes so far. SW had announced that he was prepared to switch to Naxus if votes were needed. VS essentially removed that option from the table. Jonty had announced that he was going to wait for a reply from Vio, but also that he would've liked to see a lynch, so by switching wagons VS pretty much ensured that SW stayed on the one he had started and knew that Jonty would eventually join and possibly even hammer, depending on the timing.

With the Naxus wagon finished, it only makes sense for safari to switch. I made a last-ditch effort to get a claim out of a very nearly completely inactive player and it worked, unfortunately not to our advantage.


Based on this reasoning, I'll vote Victor Sullivan.


Furthermore, can Naxus be prodded or replaced? He still hasn't posted that I've seen. Icedagger, Commander9 and TA1LGUNNER have also not posted yet "today".

Naxus keeps on posting elsewhere and saying his is around to me, I will make sure he posts here.

I think the case on Sully is sound logic MeDeFe, but I also would add that deadline pressure does tend to force bandwagon building either way. The problem I see right now is the large number of less active people who will seriously lower our ability to get to lynches later on in the game. But for now, I'm willing to follow the case.

vote Victor Sullivan

I completely forgot about this :Facepalm:

Should have something of substance posted in a day or so