Banning the Burqa

[bedub1]

people shouldn't be forced to adhere to restrictions about what they should wear.

If you can't ban people from wearing something, you can't ban them from wearing nothing.

Cute rhetoric. It's not a case of anything goes, or we all go nude, fun as that may be. I think you've misunderstood the grey area in between.

also, I'm not sure if bedub would be happy or find it proper to see nude sluts as he walks with his wife and 7 years old daughter in the streets.

You folks have obviously never heard of, had no real experience with nudist colonies.
After a short bit... its not at all seductive or even attractive. No more than seeing people with clothing.

Too True

[bedub1]

15 arrested in N.Y. Playland melee over head scarves
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/sto ... 50201820/1

Two people were charged with felony assault and two police rangers were injured during a melee that broke out Tuesday at Playland Amusement Park when Muslim visitors became angry that the park was enforcing its ban on headgear by prohibiting the women from wearing their traditional head coverings on some rides.

The park was crowded with Muslims celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr, one of Islam's two major holidays.

Police from at least nine agencies converged on the park after county police sought assistance in responding to the disturbance, which involved 30 to 40 people.

Another 13 people were arrested, most charged with disorderly conduct. All those charged were released by Tuesday night.

"It's unfortunate because everybody just wants to be home with their families today," said Zead Ramadan of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Parks officials "painstakingly" told the organizer about the headgear ban, said Tartaglia. But he said that the rules might not have been communicated by the organizer to some attendees.

Three accidents on Playland rides that killed two children and a park worker between 2004 and 2007 were unrelated to clothing the victims were wearing. But the headgear ban was among safety rules that went into effect after those deaths.

"It's a safety issue on rides. If it's a scarf, you could choke," Tartaglia said.

Accounts of what happened varied, but everyone agreed the dispute began after parkgoers were told the headgear ban applied to women wearing traditional Muslim head coverings, known as hijabs.

Tartaglia said once word of that got out there were "a lot of unhappy people."

Tartaglia said park officials were in the process of arranging refunds when members of the Muslim group got into a scuffle with each other.

Ramadan said he could see both sides.

"The people feel like victims, and the police feel like they were just doing their jobs," Ramadan said. "Personally I think things got a little out of control on both sides."

Lola Ali, 16, of Astoria said she witnessed a group of girls and women wearing hijabs go to park security to confront them about the headgear issue.

She said the women were upset and yelling. She said the security officers started pushing them away and the girls stood their ground, at which point the security officers grabbed them, pushed them to the ground and handcuffed them.

Men within the park saw this and tried to intervene, Ali said, and the situation went downhill from there.

"They were beating down the girls, then they started beating down the guys," she said of the security officers.

Earlier, a park cashier told a Journal News reporter that a woman wearing a hijab either pushed or hit a ride operator who forbade her from going on the ride. She said a police officer tried to restrain the woman and the woman's husband took offense, at which point a multiple-person fight broke out.

Brooklyn resident Amr Khater, who had come to the park about noon with his family, said his family was told about the hijab rule by park employees when they arrived.

"Everybody got mad, everybody got upset," he said. "It's our holiday. Why would you do this to us?"

Eid-ul-Fitr marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan. It is a three-day period during which Muslims give to charity and celebrate their completion of Ramadan's requirements with family and their community.

I read this and thought of this thread. But first, I was like WTF? Muslims only give to charity 3 days a year? What worthless pieces of shit. They should be giving to charity year round and helping out their fellow man year round...not just 3 days a year.

[BigBallinStalin]

15 arrested in N.Y. Playland melee over head scarves
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/sto ... 50201820/1

Two people were charged with felony assault and two police rangers were injured during a melee that broke out Tuesday at Playland Amusement Park when Muslim visitors became angry that the park was enforcing its ban on headgear by prohibiting the women from wearing their traditional head coverings on some rides.

The park was crowded with Muslims celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr, one of Islam's two major holidays.

Police from at least nine agencies converged on the park after county police sought assistance in responding to the disturbance, which involved 30 to 40 people.

Another 13 people were arrested, most charged with disorderly conduct. All those charged were released by Tuesday night.

"It's unfortunate because everybody just wants to be home with their families today," said Zead Ramadan of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Parks officials "painstakingly" told the organizer about the headgear ban, said Tartaglia. But he said that the rules might not have been communicated by the organizer to some attendees.

Three accidents on Playland rides that killed two children and a park worker between 2004 and 2007 were unrelated to clothing the victims were wearing. But the headgear ban was among safety rules that went into effect after those deaths.

"It's a safety issue on rides. If it's a scarf, you could choke," Tartaglia said.

Accounts of what happened varied, but everyone agreed the dispute began after parkgoers were told the headgear ban applied to women wearing traditional Muslim head coverings, known as hijabs.

Tartaglia said once word of that got out there were "a lot of unhappy people."

Tartaglia said park officials were in the process of arranging refunds when members of the Muslim group got into a scuffle with each other.

Ramadan said he could see both sides.

"The people feel like victims, and the police feel like they were just doing their jobs," Ramadan said. "Personally I think things got a little out of control on both sides."

Lola Ali, 16, of Astoria said she witnessed a group of girls and women wearing hijabs go to park security to confront them about the headgear issue.

She said the women were upset and yelling. She said the security officers started pushing them away and the girls stood their ground, at which point the security officers grabbed them, pushed them to the ground and handcuffed them.

Men within the park saw this and tried to intervene, Ali said, and the situation went downhill from there.

"They were beating down the girls, then they started beating down the guys," she said of the security officers.

Earlier, a park cashier told a Journal News reporter that a woman wearing a hijab either pushed or hit a ride operator who forbade her from going on the ride. She said a police officer tried to restrain the woman and the woman's husband took offense, at which point a multiple-person fight broke out.

Brooklyn resident Amr Khater, who had come to the park about noon with his family, said his family was told about the hijab rule by park employees when they arrived.

"Everybody got mad, everybody got upset," he said. "It's our holiday. Why would you do this to us?"

Eid-ul-Fitr marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan. It is a three-day period during which Muslims give to charity and celebrate their completion of Ramadan's requirements with family and their community.

I read this and thought of this thread. But first, I was like WTF? Muslims only give to charity 3 days a year? What worthless pieces of shit. They should be giving to charity year round and helping out their fellow man year round...not just 3 days a year.

Don't know if trolling or stupid.

[PLAYER57832]

I read this and thought of this thread. But first, I was like WTF? Muslims only give to charity 3 days a year? What worthless pieces of shit. They should be giving to charity year round and helping out their fellow man year round...not just 3 days a year.

Muslims do NOT "only give to charity 3 days a year". It is just that these are days set aside specifically dedicated to it. They blessings are greater for charity done in this time period.. or something like that. (I have heard varying explanations, but NONE say this is the only time they give!).

Jews have a set period, also. AND, remember, Christmas and sometimes Easter are times of heightened giving by Christians.

[PLAYER57832]

15 arrested in N.Y. Playland melee over head scarves
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/sto ... 50201820/1

Two people were charged with felony assault and two police rangers were injured during a melee that broke out Tuesday at Playland Amusement Park when Muslim visitors became angry that the park was enforcing its ban on headgear by prohibiting the women from wearing their traditional head coverings on some rides.

The park was crowded with Muslims celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr, one of Islam's two major holidays.

Police from at least nine agencies converged on the park after county police sought assistance in responding to the disturbance, which involved 30 to 40 people.

Another 13 people were arrested, most charged with disorderly conduct. All those charged were released by Tuesday night.

"It's unfortunate because everybody just wants to be home with their families today," said Zead Ramadan of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Parks officials "painstakingly" told the organizer about the headgear ban, said Tartaglia. But he said that the rules might not have been communicated by the organizer to some attendees.

Three accidents on Playland rides that killed two children and a park worker between 2004 and 2007 were unrelated to clothing the victims were wearing. But the headgear ban was among safety rules that went into effect after those deaths.

"It's a safety issue on rides. If it's a scarf, you could choke," Tartaglia said.

Accounts of what happened varied, but everyone agreed the dispute began after parkgoers were told the headgear ban applied to women wearing traditional Muslim head coverings, known as hijabs.

Tartaglia said once word of that got out there were "a lot of unhappy people."

Tartaglia said park officials were in the process of arranging refunds when members of the Muslim group got into a scuffle with each other.

Ramadan said he could see both sides.

"The people feel like victims, and the police feel like they were just doing their jobs," Ramadan said. "Personally I think things got a little out of control on both sides."

Lola Ali, 16, of Astoria said she witnessed a group of girls and women wearing hijabs go to park security to confront them about the headgear issue.

She said the women were upset and yelling. She said the security officers started pushing them away and the girls stood their ground, at which point the security officers grabbed them, pushed them to the ground and handcuffed them.

Men within the park saw this and tried to intervene, Ali said, and the situation went downhill from there.

"They were beating down the girls, then they started beating down the guys," she said of the security officers.

Earlier, a park cashier told a Journal News reporter that a woman wearing a hijab either pushed or hit a ride operator who forbade her from going on the ride. She said a police officer tried to restrain the woman and the woman's husband took offense, at which point a multiple-person fight broke out.

Brooklyn resident Amr Khater, who had come to the park about noon with his family, said his family was told about the hijab rule by park employees when they arrived.

"Everybody got mad, everybody got upset," he said. "It's our holiday. Why would you do this to us?"

Eid-ul-Fitr marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan. It is a three-day period during which Muslims give to charity and celebrate their completion of Ramadan's requirements with family and their community.

Overall, this seems like a VERY poorly handled event. I don't know of the specific safety restrictions. I know many places have prohibitions against loose clothing, but it seems as if were the park REALLY wanting to ameliorate Muslims, they could have simply indicated that headscarves need to be secure with no loose ends, much like rules for other types of clothing.

After all, I have a very hard time seeing why a head scarve would be more dangerous than long hair.

[bedub1]

I read this and thought of this thread. But first, I was like WTF? Muslims only give to charity 3 days a year? What worthless pieces of shit. They should be giving to charity year round and helping out their fellow man year round...not just 3 days a year.

Muslims do NOT "only give to charity 3 days a year". It is just that these are days set aside specifically dedicated to it. They blessings are greater for charity done in this time period.. or something like that. (I have heard varying explanations, but NONE say this is the only time they give!).

Jews have a set period, also. AND, remember, Christmas and sometimes Easter are times of heightened giving by Christians.

Okay good. So it's not the Muslims that are jackass's but the author of the article. What about thanksgiving?

I agree it was poorly handled...by all parties involved. I understand the safety restrictions though. Head Scarve's can fall off. Hair doesn't unless it's a wig/toupee/extensions etc. People have already died at the amusement park, if some Muslim dies cause her head covering gets caught in the ride and kills her....that's even worse than the events of today/yesterday.

[jammyjames]

Quite frankly, i do not feel they should be allowed to wear the burqa in shops, on the street sure why not i have no problem with that.

The problem i fucking have is that i have to remove my motorbike helmet when i walk into a shop, but just because it's their 'religion' they do not.. utter bollocks i tell you!!!

Well done france...

[BigBallinStalin]

Quite frankly, i do not feel they should be allowed to wear the burqa in shops, on the street sure why not i have no problem with that.

The problem i fucking have is that i have to remove my motorbike helmet when i walk into a shop, but just because it's their 'religion' they do not.. utter bollocks i tell you!!!

Well done france...

I don't mind the restriction so long as it's regulated by a private actor because the aggregate knowledge of individuals vastly outweighs the burdens of central planning via prohibitions.

It's the business owners decision to suffer the loss of potential, traditional Muslim customers. Maybe wearing a burqa is a safety hazard, maybe it isn't, but I don't presume to know all the intricate benefits and costs of wearing a burqa on a particular amusement park ride. Therefore, that question is best left to those directly involved in the operation of amusement parks.

[PLAYER57832]

I read this and thought of this thread. But first, I was like WTF? Muslims only give to charity 3 days a year? What worthless pieces of shit. They should be giving to charity year round and helping out their fellow man year round...not just 3 days a year.

Muslims do NOT "only give to charity 3 days a year". It is just that these are days set aside specifically dedicated to it. They blessings are greater for charity done in this time period.. or something like that. (I have heard varying explanations, but NONE say this is the only time they give!).

Jews have a set period, also. AND, remember, Christmas and sometimes Easter are times of heightened giving by Christians.

Okay good. So it's not the Muslims that are jackass's but the author of the article. What about thanksgiving?

I don't believe the author said they only donate to charity for 3 days. That was your extrapolation. But, OK, so Christians have 2-3 days where they tend to heavily donate. In neither case is that the only time (I hope not, anyway.. should not be!)

I agree it was poorly handled...by all parties involved. I understand the safety restrictions though. Head Scarve's can fall off. Hair doesn't unless it's a wig/toupee/extensions etc. People have already died at the amusement park, if some Muslim dies cause her head covering gets caught in the ride and kills her....that's even worse than the events of today/yesterday.

Actually, a properly tied headscarf is not going to come off, and long hair very much CAN and often does get entangled in equipment. Just google it if you don't believe me.

AND.. there is certainly no restriction on wigs, toupees or extensions, so that argument fails anyway. Again, while I do understand the safety concerns, there are ways to deal with this.

And, yes, it was poorly handled by all sides. However, have you ever been standing outside an amusement park, with your kids, for a group event and been excluded because of something that seems pretty discrimanatory? It is enough to make almost anyone's temper fly... and based on many of your reactions here, I suspect you would be among the first complaining if you were the victim.

[Pirlo]

I read this and thought of this thread. But first, I was like WTF? Muslims only give to charity 3 days a year? What worthless pieces of shit. They should be giving to charity year round and helping out their fellow man year round...not just 3 days a year.

Muslims do NOT "only give to charity 3 days a year". It is just that these are days set aside specifically dedicated to it. They blessings are greater for charity done in this time period.. or something like that. (I have heard varying explanations, but NONE say this is the only time they give!).

Jews have a set period, also. AND, remember, Christmas and sometimes Easter are times of heightened giving by Christians.

Actually it's the time when Muslims have to pay the obligatory Zakat.. every Muslim has to pay 2.5% of his wealth of cash to poor Muslims. they can pay more at that time or any other time. Muslims are also allowed to pay Zakat to non-Muslims, but the 2.5% portion has to be paid to poor Muslims only.

[PLAYER57832]

Thanks for the clarification. I am slowly learning.