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Any Christians can feel free to join the Jesus Freaks(JFC), CC's only Christian clan.

Caleb the Cruel wrote:Any Christians can feel free to join the Jesus Freaks(JFC), CC's only Christian clan.

What about hardcore atheist naturalists?

probably shouldnt join the only christian based usergroup if you dont happen to be a follower of jesus.

unriggable wrote:

Caleb the Cruel wrote:Any Christians can feel free to join the Jesus Freaks(JFC), CC's only Christian clan.

What about hardcore atheist naturalists?

They belong in the Stache and the Rogue State.

Caleb the Cruel wrote:

unriggable wrote:

Caleb the Cruel wrote:Any Christians can feel free to join the Jesus Freaks(JFC), CC's only Christian clan.

What about hardcore atheist naturalists?

They belong in the Stache and the Rogue State.

Actually, in the Rogue State we do have some religious people, just not Christians.

jesus christ walks into a bar...
hands the inn keeper 3 nails and asks..
"could you put me up for the night?"



(thank you brandon lee, rip)

Dariune wrote:Were they? i didnt know that.

Jujitsu also has a very profound history which believe it or not was founded during the Shogun wars when the Shaolin travelled to Japan to fight, but then i expect you know more than i do on that.

My fondness for Shaolin is its versatility. I like the fact that it is nigh on impossible to know where a strike is coming from with Shaolin because they are so active and, for want of a better word, bouncy.

Actually, Thai Boxing, as it is otherwise known, was the military art of Thailand. Even the old kings of siam were champions, if I recall right.

I don't recall chinese soldiers fighting in japanese clan wars, but I suppose it could happen.

Oh, I remember watching something on TV were they measured the power of differant strikes and the speed of different fighting styles. Boxers, as in western-style/mohammad ali-type boxing, have the most powerful punches (1000-some PSI), twice that of the kung fu artist (600-some PSI) they had on hand. Tae Kwon Do has the most power kick, a whooping 1500-some PSI. Kung Fu, I think was the fastest art in terms of reaction time. But according to the study, Ninjitsu was all-around the 'best' art.

Well i dont believe in the best Martial art, only in the best Martial artist.
I saw that same program. A friend of mine (who is a Thai Boxer) gave it to me.

As to the chinese soldiers fighting in the Japanese civil war? no they didnt.
Only the Shaolin. The Uno (i think) asked them over to help when the Uno Shogun saw how the Shaolin defended their temple against neighbouring tribes.
The Shaolin did and fought until the end of the war. However when the Shaolin refused to teach Japanese soldiers to fight as they do the Shaolin Monks were massacred on their way home.
I hate to say this, because (as with all Japanese Martial artists) people get offended but it was from watching the Shaolin monks that Ninjitsu (the shadow art) and Jujitsu (the warrior art) was formed.

Im sure your going to disagree with me, but so far every source i have found has confirmed that.

Caleb the Cruel wrote:

unriggable wrote:

Caleb the Cruel wrote:Any Christians can feel free to join the Jesus Freaks(JFC), CC's only Christian clan.

What about hardcore atheist naturalists?

They belong in the Stache and the Rogue State.

shouldn't you be accepting of everyone with how you claim to worship jesus and all..

wasn't that one of his teachings? Just wondering.

reverend_kyle wrote:shouldn't you be accepting of everyone with how you claim to worship jesus and all..

wasn't that one of his teachings? Just wondering.

Using partial or fabricated statements, to support your own veiw of how to teach Jesus' ways, has been a staple of "christianity" since before the word existed.

It's human nature and it's one of the things that drive us to break off or create religions of all sorts.

It even helps us fight with people that are sort of the same religion as we are. Of course we say "they are not part of our group, they don't teach things right."

Here's how this sort or thing is ignored, altered or abandoned.

Matthew 5 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation wrote:43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

48"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Lets see... I can't be perfect like it says in line 48 there so I'll just take that out. Line 44 doesn't make sense and I'm not a fan of praying if I don't need help, not to mention the only enemies I have is some internet athiests and that one guy at work. He's a dick, they're not important and I'm not really in a position to love them anyways, don't need that one. 46 and 47 are kind of out of place now with the front of 43 and parts of 45.

Ok got it.

Jesus wrote:43"'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 45so that you may be in heaven

It's in the bible man!

Everytime someone quotes from the New American Standard Bible it always provides a good chuckle, sometimes because some seemingly minor change in emphasis provides a new interpretation and this just highlights the inherent inaccuracy in translated and re-edited works, but in this case I had a proper belly laugh at the substitution of publicans with tax collectors and then with gentiles! Another piece of Lockman genius...

Which translation do you like?

I usually enjoy that one because it seems to place the emphisis where I like it. Also my wife is a "tax collector" so the verse really speaks to me there.

Dariune wrote:Well i dont believe in the best Martial art, only in the best Martial artist.
I saw that same program. A friend of mine (who is a Thai Boxer) gave it to me.

As to the chinese soldiers fighting in the Japanese civil war? no they didnt.
Only the Shaolin. The Uno (i think) asked them over to help when the Uno Shogun saw how the Shaolin defended their temple against neighbouring tribes.
The Shaolin did and fought until the end of the war. However when the Shaolin refused to teach Japanese soldiers to fight as they do the Shaolin Monks were massacred on their way home.
I hate to say this, because (as with all Japanese Martial artists) people get offended but it was from watching the Shaolin monks that Ninjitsu (the shadow art) and Jujitsu (the warrior art) was formed.

Im sure your going to disagree with me, but so far every source i have found has confirmed that.

I do disagree. Because by your logic, Buddha (or who ever taught the shaolin at first) learned it from war vets who fought Alexander's Greek and Macedonian troops, who trained in what is now known as Pankration.
Seeing as how war is found everywhere, geographically, through-out history, people developed arts that suited their needs largely independent of outside influance apart from the caldron of battle. This principle applies to ALL arts, regardless of the oral traditions and 'historical research' coming out of the Dojo-Dojang-Kwoon or from Sensei-Sifu-Master's mouth.

At least, that would be the prudent estimation based on the observable data.

Dariune wrote:Lots of my cousins are Mormon. It has been mentioned before but that doesnt take away the validity of you saying it.

Make that another one

With Optimus Prime and cloud, plus I know there is at least another one out there and myself makes it four.

A Danish one too who lives in the US...

2dimes wrote:Which translation do you like?

I usually enjoy that one because it seems to place the emphisis where I like it. Also my wife is a "tax collector" so the verse really speaks to me there.

Since I appreciate the bible in a purely literary fashion, i.e. it doesn't really speak to me at all but I readily acknowledge it is easily the most widely distributed and recognised, and hence possibly most important work ever written, not to mention the source of so much of the intricacy and subtelty of phrase in the English language that we take for granted. In that regard it has to be the KJV version; the new interpretations always feel a little sullied to me, not only because some of the literary sopshistication is removed, but also because it seems so often the editors take yet another opportunity to change the wording and emphasis to suit their ends.

Jenos Ridan wrote:

Dariune wrote:Well i dont believe in the best Martial art, only in the best Martial artist.
I saw that same program. A friend of mine (who is a Thai Boxer) gave it to me.

As to the chinese soldiers fighting in the Japanese civil war? no they didnt.
Only the Shaolin. The Uno (i think) asked them over to help when the Uno Shogun saw how the Shaolin defended their temple against neighbouring tribes.
The Shaolin did and fought until the end of the war. However when the Shaolin refused to teach Japanese soldiers to fight as they do the Shaolin Monks were massacred on their way home.
I hate to say this, because (as with all Japanese Martial artists) people get offended but it was from watching the Shaolin monks that Ninjitsu (the shadow art) and Jujitsu (the warrior art) was formed.

Im sure your going to disagree with me, but so far every source i have found has confirmed that.

I do disagree. Because by your logic, Buddha (or who ever taught the shaolin at first) learned it from war vets who fought Alexander's Greek and Macedonian troops, who trained in what is now known as Pankration.
Seeing as how war is found everywhere, geographically, through-out history, people developed arts that suited their needs largely independent of outside influance apart from the caldron of battle. This principle applies to ALL arts, regardless of the oral traditions and 'historical research' coming out of the Dojo-Dojang-Kwoon or from Sensei-Sifu-Master's mouth.

At least, that would be the prudent estimation based on the observable data.

I would have been dissapointed if you hadnt disagreed.
However the history of the Shaolin dates back a little further than that.
The situation was that the indian Yogi's were travelling in order to better their meditation and yoga. The Shaolin were merely a tribe of people who prayed day and night and who happened to have a very nice mountain ripe for the picking. When the Yogi's visited China the Shaolin tribe copied the Yoga and started to do it every day. However when neighbouring tribes tried to take their land the Shaolin converted yoga into a fighting art. Roughly at the same time, the Japanese were using the Yari in combat quite commonly. A group of them cut the Yari down to make a very small Naginata (the Katana) and were unbeatable in combat. This group were the foundation for the Bishido warriors. Better known as the Samurai. The Japanese civil war broke out and it was every Shogun for themselves. Each Shogun ammased their armies which included the mighty Samurai warriors.

The Uno (i think) had seen the Shaolin warriors succesfully defending their home in China and requested their aid in the Japanese fight. The Shaolin accepted. Being unused to the very different form of fighting the Samurai were unprepared for the Shaolin. The Uno Shogun (again i think) called in a group of his Samurai and told them to mimic the Shaolin and learn their ways to which the Samurai refused. However what did occur was the assasins of Japan copied the Shaolin light foot and crane techniques to form Ninjitsu. The best fighters formed a group based on the Shaolin Cannon fist and weapons techniques to form Jujitsu.

Bertros Bertros wrote:

2dimes wrote:Which translation do you like?

I usually enjoy that one because it seems to place the emphisis where I like it. Also my wife is a "tax collector" so the verse really speaks to me there.

Since I appreciate the bible in a purely literary fashion, i.e. it doesn't really speak to me at all but I readily acknowledge it is easily the most widely distributed and recognised, and hence possibly most important work ever written, not to mention the source of so much of the intricacy and subtelty of phrase in the English language that we take for granted. In that regard it has to be the KJV version; the new interpretations always feel a little sullied to me, not only because some of the literary sopshistication is removed, but also because it seems so often the editors take yet another opportunity to change the wording and emphasis to suit their ends.

Sure but that's partially because in some cases it's completely different wording to make the statements correct in modern english. I don't think you are giving enough credence to something you are quite in touch with yourself. When we use even a regional variation of the same language that another person doesn't use it's confusing to most. Sometimes just speaking proper english tends to baffle people.

I have worked with tons of people that just cannot understand a person with an accent.

I do like the King James but it took a while to learn the language and I think too many people use it as if it's written in thier own language. Few people realise "Where for" can be used in context for "why" as an example.

2 Corinthians 11:11 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain wrote:11Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.

Also the whole point is to put the emphisis where you want it so it speaks the way you yourself would. That is exactly what drives us to form new religions out of existing ones.

The emphises doesn't really change the message does it? "You're GREAT!" "No, YOU"RE great!" sure that changes the recipient and defines who made the statement first, yet it is still the same statement in the big picture.

So it's cool to see your view on the translations. I like to compare texts and see how the several different translators word things. It allows you to sense thier perspectives a bit.

Though the one thing I've really learned from the internet is, it's impossible to really understand exactly what others wish to communicate when they write, because you filter it so much when you read it.

2dimes wrote:Though the one thing I've really learned from the internet is, it's impossible to really understand exactly what others wish to communicate when they write, because you filter it so much when you read it.

And that succinctly captures the cause of so many a forum waged war of words. Though I think filter implies a lack of intent to misinterpret which I don't think is always the case

Bertros Bertros wrote:

2dimes wrote:Though the one thing I've really learned from the internet is, it's impossible to really understand exactly what others wish to communicate when they write, because you filter it so much when you read it.

And that succinctly captures the cause of so many a forum waged war of words. Though I think filter implies a lack of intent to misinterpret which I don't think is always the case

Absolutely, there is a wonderfull game of missrepresenting the other guys quote and messing with what the intent was.

I have seen plenty of honest miss-understandings also.

I have even read something and took it in a completely different direction. Later re-read and realised I had made the statement into something that was not really there.

Dariune wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:

Dariune wrote:Well i dont believe in the best Martial art, only in the best Martial artist.
I saw that same program. A friend of mine (who is a Thai Boxer) gave it to me.

As to the chinese soldiers fighting in the Japanese civil war? no they didnt.
Only the Shaolin. The Uno (i think) asked them over to help when the Uno Shogun saw how the Shaolin defended their temple against neighbouring tribes.
The Shaolin did and fought until the end of the war. However when the Shaolin refused to teach Japanese soldiers to fight as they do the Shaolin Monks were massacred on their way home.
I hate to say this, because (as with all Japanese Martial artists) people get offended but it was from watching the Shaolin monks that Ninjitsu (the shadow art) and Jujitsu (the warrior art) was formed.

Im sure your going to disagree with me, but so far every source i have found has confirmed that.

I do disagree. Because by your logic, Buddha (or who ever taught the shaolin at first) learned it from war vets who fought Alexander's Greek and Macedonian troops, who trained in what is now known as Pankration.
Seeing as how war is found everywhere, geographically, through-out history, people developed arts that suited their needs largely independent of outside influance apart from the caldron of battle. This principle applies to ALL arts, regardless of the oral traditions and 'historical research' coming out of the Dojo-Dojang-Kwoon or from Sensei-Sifu-Master's mouth.

At least, that would be the prudent estimation based on the observable data.

I would have been dissapointed if you hadnt disagreed.
However the history of the Shaolin dates back a little further than that.
The situation was that the indian Yogi's were travelling in order to better their meditation and yoga. The Shaolin were merely a tribe of people who prayed day and night and who happened to have a very nice mountain ripe for the picking. When the Yogi's visited China the Shaolin tribe copied the Yoga and started to do it every day. However when neighbouring tribes tried to take their land the Shaolin converted yoga into a fighting art. Roughly at the same time, the Japanese were using the Yari in combat quite commonly. A group of them cut the Yari down to make a very small Naginata (the Katana) and were unbeatable in combat. This group were the foundation for the Bishido warriors. Better known as the Samurai. The Japanese civil war broke out and it was every Shogun for themselves. Each Shogun ammased their armies which included the mighty Samurai warriors.

The Uno (i think) had seen the Shaolin warriors succesfully defending their home in China and requested their aid in the Japanese fight. The Shaolin accepted. Being unused to the very different form of fighting the Samurai were unprepared for the Shaolin. The Uno Shogun (again i think) called in a group of his Samurai and told them to mimic the Shaolin and learn their ways to which the Samurai refused. However what did occur was the assasins of Japan copied the Shaolin light foot and crane techniques to form Ninjitsu. The best fighters formed a group based on the Shaolin Cannon fist and weapons techniques to form Jujitsu.

We could debate this until we end up like Huckleberryhound's avatar, but my point is, were there is war, there are warriors, and where there are warriors, there are masters of combat who proceeded them, who learned the hard way, in the crusable called battle, what works and what doesn't work. Later, the expericenced recorded the techniques, others later expounded ,by way of experimentation and later battle experience, on them and several centuries later, we have Silat, Karate, Sombo, Capoeria, Arnis/Kali, Escrima, Jujitsu, Muay Thai, Pankration and Kung Fu. TThis is how the Martial Arts truelly developed. Again, the logical eestimation of the observed data.

I'm what you would call a born-again Christian. Very happy to say that Christ changed my life, and very fulfilling.

i guess i'm a plain vanilla Christian.
i believe in some of the Catholic principles, like i pray their prayers (Our Father, etc.)
but i don't believe in worshiping the Virgin Mary (although the Catholics really don't do this, it seems so much like it)

I'm a Lutheran.
You know, Martin Luther.
Split from the catholic church.
pretty crazy shit.
but I guess being Lutheran isn't really any different than being catholic nowadays.

I have never even heard of the religions on the first page. Dariune where did yours begin? oh, and by the way I am a baptist.

mpmrunner wrote:I'm a Lutheran.
You know, Martin Luther.
Split from the catholic church.
pretty crazy shit.
but I guess being Lutheran isn't really any different than being catholic nowadays.

Being Lutheran myself, you got one fact wrong...
Luther didn't split from the Catholics, the Pope kicked him out.