Conquer Club

Rugbirn wrote:TFO, you are right. I initially only mentioned my Doc protection ability for town. This is NOT a lie. Of course, I tried to hide (mislead, whatever word you want here) my other night action frankly because I felt it would not help my case at the time - and I think everyone can relate to that. My point is the more someone lies about something, eventually people believe it as truth. I'm just pointing it out. No offense MoB, we need to be best friends !

Depends on how you look at it. I view it the same as "Mom, i'm going over to a friend's house" "but we're going to do drugs"; "I'm a Lawyer with Doc abilities!" "But they only work on town and I make mafia look innocent". Not telling the whole truth is just as bad as lying, to me, especially since we asked for your full role claim.

I still find it hard to believe a Lawyer to have a Doc power, but that's personal opinion.

Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on what a "lie" is, and what "town aligned" means. I've gone through it before, and elaborating on it further will not finish the business at hand. So, let's move on....who are we lynching?

TheForgivenOne wrote:
I still find it hard to believe a Lawyer to have a Doc power, but that's personal opinion.

but then again skyler (an accountant? ) had a doc ability. its not like there is a doc in the series. and 2 in an 18 player game, seems plausible.

virus90 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:
I still find it hard to believe a Lawyer to have a Doc power, but that's personal opinion.

but then again skyler (an accountant? ) had a doc ability. its not like there is a doc in the series. and 2 in an 18 player game, seems plausible.

Skyler was an accountant in the series. Her role name in this game was Skyler-Town Doc

Saul was a lawyer in the series. His role this game Saul-lawyer/surviver. According to Rugbirn.

There is a difference between what they were in the series and what they are in game.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

virus90 wrote:

TheForgivenOne wrote:
I still find it hard to believe a Lawyer to have a Doc power, but that's personal opinion.

but then again skyler (an accountant? ) had a doc ability. its not like there is a doc in the series. and 2 in an 18 player game, seems plausible.

Skyler was an accountant in the series. Her role name in this game was Skyler-Town Doc

Saul was a lawyer in the series. His role this game Saul-lawyer/surviver. According to Rugbirn.

There is a difference between what they were in the series and what they are in game.

QFT. If it weren't Rugbirn right now, (aka not someone completely new), he would have been lynched as soon as we found out that he lied, no questions asked. Also even if what he did was not classified as a "lie" it certainly had the intent to "deceive" which is just as bad or worse IMO.

rishaed wrote:QFT. If it weren't Rugbirn right now, (aka not someone completely new), he would have been lynched as soon as we found out that he lied, no questions asked. Also even if what he did was not classified as a "lie" it certainly had the intent to "deceive" which is just as bad or worse IMO.

Anyone who thought he was claiming town wasn't paying close enough attention. It was immediately obvious when he said "town aligned" that he was not claiming to be a member of town. I don't think he deceived.

MoB Deadly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:Bottom line is, there is nothing for town to gain for me to name claim, unless you have a special win condition. The only person that would benefit from the name claim would be enemies of town, and anyone else with an alternate win condition.

If you're lying about being town, then you would presumably be avoiding a name claim so that you don't risk getting caught in a fake claim.

Then why would I volunteer the information to defog last night's activity? My actions to prove Rugbirn was lying should be enough in my eyes to prove my town alignment for the rest of today at the very least.

If Rugbirn is who he says he is, then mafia likely have at least a strong a reason to get rid of him as town does.

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:Bottom line is, there is nothing for town to gain for me to name claim, unless you have a special win condition. The only person that would benefit from the name claim would be enemies of town, and anyone else with an alternate win condition.

If you're lying about being town, then you would presumably be avoiding a name claim so that you don't risk getting caught in a fake claim.

Then why would I volunteer the information to defog last night's activity? My actions to prove Rugbirn was lying should be enough in my eyes to prove my town alignment for the rest of today at the very least.

If Rugbirn is who he says he is, then mafia likely have at least a strong a reason to get rid of him as town does.

wouldn t it be a bit too overpowered for mafia/cartel to have a busdriver though?

betiko wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:Bottom line is, there is nothing for town to gain for me to name claim, unless you have a special win condition. The only person that would benefit from the name claim would be enemies of town, and anyone else with an alternate win condition.

If you're lying about being town, then you would presumably be avoiding a name claim so that you don't risk getting caught in a fake claim.

Then why would I volunteer the information to defog last night's activity? My actions to prove Rugbirn was lying should be enough in my eyes to prove my town alignment for the rest of today at the very least.

If Rugbirn is who he says he is, then mafia likely have at least a strong a reason to get rid of him as town does.

wouldn t it be a bit too overpowered for mafia/cartel to have a busdriver though?

Yes. I think there is room for a situation in which there is no busdriver.

Official Vote Count

Rishaed (1)-Virus90,
Gregwolf121 (1)-Theforgivenone
Theforgivenone (1)-Rugbirn
mob deadly (1)-Iron Butterfly
betiko
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly (1)-Betiko
Rugbirn (2)-Rodion, Jonty125
Jonty125

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline will be next Friday.

Again I feel like I should address this. The comment in that post about Mob Deadly wasn't to say that Mob was the one who asked it came on the heels of a lot of posts calling him Mob Daily and I was just letting people know that his name was Mob Deadly.

Metsfanmax wrote:

betiko wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:Bottom line is, there is nothing for town to gain for me to name claim, unless you have a special win condition. The only person that would benefit from the name claim would be enemies of town, and anyone else with an alternate win condition.

If you're lying about being town, then you would presumably be avoiding a name claim so that you don't risk getting caught in a fake claim.

Then why would I volunteer the information to defog last night's activity? My actions to prove Rugbirn was lying should be enough in my eyes to prove my town alignment for the rest of today at the very least.

If Rugbirn is who he says he is, then mafia likely have at least a strong a reason to get rid of him as town does.

wouldn t it be a bit too overpowered for mafia/cartel to have a busdriver though?

Yes. I think there is room for a situation in which there is no busdriver.

ahh come on!! the scene clearly depicts a bus driver action. I mean you can stay away from flavour interpretation, but there is clearly a bus driver in hank's murder. in super's murder nothing says it's due to a busdriver, but for hank it's clear as water.

anyway, the deadline is approchaing and I'm feeling a bit confused right now..
a VT with a very minor character sounds scummy even if greg seems quite sincere since his comming out..
a strange role with a major character that is third party, sounds plausible...

ok let's get done with this... I'll just unvote vote gregwolf and I think it will be my last vote change of the day.

lol. The mob daily / deadly thing was probably caused by me mixing up names. called x-stor-x x-vote-x aswell ... atleast im orignal...

well i pointed out before and will do again. i believe rugbirn, and i don't think he really lied to us. town aligned is something different then town. So i think we should get out of this endless discussion about him and focus on other targets. It appears that some people really want this case to keep going, and i think its in mafia's interest to keep it going, since obviously it buys time.
So due to this my main scum leads are rishead (as usual) and i would like a name-claim from MOB deadly, i dont see why you would not. the pursuing of the rugbirn case and stalling the nameclaim are in my opinion both wastes of times and so making you go to the second spot in my scum list, which can easily be cleared by a full claim. Also i disagree with him that we should not have another claim today. I think we should, or atleast a full claim including name

1. Rishead
2. Mob deadly
3. TFO/Greg/Jonty ( did not really went back much on all these)

rishaed not ris-head lol

betiko wrote:rishaed not ris-head lol

lol well thats what i mean, kind of proves my point about me being responsible for name mixups... mobdaily, xvotex rishead...
i just fail with names... in RL and apparently on the internet aswell..
i am sure i wil screw up some more now or in the future. so apologies in advance

virus90 wrote:

betiko wrote:rishaed not ris-head lol

lol well thats what i mean, kind of proves my point about me being responsible for name mixups... mobdaily, xvotex rishead...
i just fail with names... in RL and apparently on the internet aswell..
i am sure i wil screw up some more now or in the future. so apologies in advance

another mafia player's favorites is to call rodion "rodian". So meny people do it and I wonder why...

ebwop "many"*

betiko wrote:ahh come on!! the scene clearly depicts a bus driver action. I mean you can stay away from flavour interpretation, but there is clearly a bus driver in hank's murder. in super's murder nothing says it's due to a busdriver, but for hank it's clear as water.

No, it doesn't clearly do that. In particular, it says "Excusing himself from the festivities earlier, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off." Suppose MoB is in fact a town bus driver -- does it make any sense at all that he decided to drive the guy to a party?

Metsfanmax wrote:

betiko wrote:ahh come on!! the scene clearly depicts a bus driver action. I mean you can stay away from flavour interpretation, but there is clearly a bus driver in hank's murder. in super's murder nothing says it's due to a busdriver, but for hank it's clear as water.

No, it doesn't clearly do that. In particular, it says "Excusing himself from the festivities earlier, he got in the cab with the driver who had brought him there to take off." Suppose MoB is in fact a town bus driver -- does it make any sense at all that he decided to drive the guy to a party?

Well my guess is Town tried to vigi Super, so Town Driving Town? (DEA Vigi would make sense)
Mafia 1 tried to kill CD, but instead killed super
Cartel killed xstor by poisoning?

In fact, if you think about it, what MoB did is pretty ingenious if he's scum. The flavor is indeed suggestive of a bus driver mechanic, but it doesn't make any sense than an upstanding member of the town would willfully kill a DEA agent just because Gus or whoever is in there with him. When he posted to claim he kept saying he regretted the partial claim (and I agree that it was kind of silly in retrospect if he is town, because it didn't end up giving really useful evidence against Rugbirn). And he has absolutely refused to give his name so far, which as IB has pointed out several times is a classic scum tactic. So yeah, MoB, I'm going to demand that you give a full claim.

fp by MoB

Well my guess is Town tried to vigi Super, so Town Driving Town? (DEA Vigi would make sense)
Mafia 1 tried to kill CD, but instead killed super
Cartel killed xstor by poisoning?

Like I said, doesn't make any sense that a member of town would kill DEA. Plus, the guy in the scene is very clearly a member of the mafia (since he was tasting "sorrow") and most likely Gus (since flavor-wise, he's the member of the series who is always pretending to be part of the upstanding community).

Metsfanmax wrote:When he posted to claim he kept saying he regretted the partial claim (and I agree that it was kind of silly in retrospect if he is town, because it didn't end up giving really useful evidence against Rugbirn).

Well my guess is Town tried to vigi Super, so Town Driving Town? (DEA Vigi would make sense)
Mafia 1 tried to kill CD, but instead killed super
Cartel killed xstor by poisoning?

Like I said, doesn't make any sense that a member of town would kill DEA. Plus, the guy in the scene is very clearly a member of the mafia (since he was tasting "sorrow") and most likely Gus (since flavor-wise, he's the member of the series who is always pretending to be part of the upstanding community).

When I claimed, Rugbirn claimed doctor only, not his hybrid role.
I disagree with your scene interpretation but whatever I'll keep my end of the bargain.


Jesse Pinkman - Heisenberg Bus Driver (off color blue)
I am masoned with Walter White
He knows ALL my actions, so if I die everything will still be revealed.

Plot Twist: I cannot win with the DEA, but I win with the rest of the town. I am sure they have a similar win condition. Makes me scared I think the other DEA is a vigi.

MoB Deadly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:When he posted to claim he kept saying he regretted the partial claim (and I agree that it was kind of silly in retrospect if he is town, because it didn't end up giving really useful evidence against Rugbirn).

Well my guess is Town tried to vigi Super, so Town Driving Town? (DEA Vigi would make sense)
Mafia 1 tried to kill CD, but instead killed super
Cartel killed xstor by poisoning?

Like I said, doesn't make any sense that a member of town would kill DEA. Plus, the guy in the scene is very clearly a member of the mafia (since he was tasting "sorrow") and most likely Gus (since flavor-wise, he's the member of the series who is always pretending to be part of the upstanding community).

When I claimed, Rugbirn claimed doctor only, not his hybrid role.
I disagree with your scene interpretation but whatever I'll keep my end of the bargain.

My scene interpretation is that there's no way a member of town was the bus driver here. I'd say the following supports my interpretation --

Jesse Pinkman - Heisenberg Bus Driver (off color blue)
I am masoned with Walter White
He knows ALL my actions, so if I die everything will still be revealed.

Plot Twist: I cannot win with the DEA, but I win with the rest of the town. I am sure they have a similar win condition. Makes me scared I think the other DEA is a vigi.

I'll buy this. You're not a member of the town, you're a crazy meth head who might just be stupid enough to kill a DEA agent -- and who is known to cavort around with Gus. (Although, what does "Heisenberg" Bus Driver mean?). This also means that your earlier statements about not wanting to reveal your role are silly -- no one would be dumb enough to fakeclaim Jesse.

I AM a member of town, my only inter enemies are DEA. With 2 mafia factions believe me I am not even worried about any other DEAs.
I didn't know what "Heisenberg" meant either, especially since I never seen the show before... Strike said I am a sub-faction of town. I win with the town I just cannot win with the DEA.
Well I didn't want to reveal myself to the DEA in case they have any plans to kill me, and I did not want to reveal I was masoned with Walter White.
TBH I hesitated and almost claimed normal town bus driver, but I decided against it.

ok... i guess I should've listened to IB and mets, this changes a lot..

so:
blue = town
teal = jessie/heisenberg
violet = DEA
green? = third party survivor
maroon = cartel
red = mafia

6 factions/18 and counting! lol

mob, can you only bus heisenberg; or is heisenberg the name of your faction?

what do you think of rugbirn saying he is green when flavourwise all would indicate that his party should be "heisenberg"?

fp

No I can bus anyone, last night I bussed CD with Super.

Heisenberg is just the name of my faction. Look at how Cooldeals flipped, I am just like that.

No I don't think Rugbirn is Heisenberg. I think it is just me and WW because we are masoned.
That is why I think it is 2 DEA agents and that is it. (or at least I am hoping)

MoB Deadly wrote:No I can bus anyone, last night I bussed CD with Super.

Heisenberg is just the name of my faction. Look at how Cooldeals flipped, I am just like that.

No I don't think Rugbirn is Heisenberg. I think it is just me and WW because we are masoned.
That is why I think it is 2 DEA agents and that is it. (or at least I am hoping)

I'm just saying that it's a bit strange if Saul isn't "heisenberg" as well as he is their lawyer (and a trustworthy one). but then it doesn't make any sense if badger was town as he's a meth dealer working for walter and jessie. I guess DEA and heisenberg are just there to give a little twist to all the town scene... but saul being a survivor is strange... yeah Iknow, I'm looking too deepinto flavour sorry.

ok;so now let's get back to real business. you know more than what you're saying mob. you had to kill DEA and you bussed hank with.... let's assume super is correct; and since you are masonned with walter, walter viged super, so your faction could get rid of your DEA enemy. seems pretty clear now.

So gus killed walter junior (true poisoning or modus operandi flavour? true poisoning seems difficult to understand how)
Cartel tried to kill DEA but ended up killing its own godfather.