Conquer Club

Haggis_McMutton wrote:

aage wrote:
As far as I know I'm town and VioIet's too... We're not lovers but sisters, which is something else, if you kill one of us the other doesn't die. Squirrel might have some weird revenge mechanic I don't know about but that's pure speculation.

Afaik sibling/lovers are used interchangeably. Of course it's quite likely squirrel mixed things up a bit, however if you don't both die when one dies, why would you be called lovers sisters? You'd be just masons.

Were you specifically told Violet was town, or are you assuming?

EBWOP

aage wrote:
As far as I know I'm town and VioIet's too... We're not lovers but sisters, which is something else, if you kill one of us the other doesn't die. Squirrel might have some weird revenge mechanic I don't know about but that's pure speculation.

Reason they could be sisters and not have the normal lovers/siblings mechanics

theherkman wrote:I say we don't even investigate. He admits to being scum and I see no reason not to lynch. Seriously, man. Are you really saying not to lynch someone who admits to scum?

I understand why the everyone gets frustrated with the skimmers now...

IF he turns clean, we will need to look at reasons for voting Aage. For instance, who switched to Aage once it got to be a BW? Also, those who kept their vote elsewhere, despite a BW, may be townies...

aage (10) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, saxlad, strike wolf, iliad, flow, spiesr, /

Herk....You amaze me sometimes

I agree Nax. I am so confused by what Herk just said...

It is a great idea!!
Honestly I wanted to vote for myself once the bandwagon on aage started, but i didn't want to take my vote of herkman.
It was very hard to sit here and watch the bandwagon grow on someone I knew was a townie for the second time in a row. So I've been trying some crazy antics Day 1 and Day 2 to stop the bandwagon, but have been unsuccessful.

Of course I don't really want a no lynch. But in my second ever mafia game- the Quentin Tarrantino- I made a joke about no lynch and wanting to go to night. I thought everyone would laugh. They axed me instead. I learned it was a great way to get yourself killed, and it was a last desperate attempt to save aage. I got a lot of people to go WTH vio, but sadly no votes. I probably should have tried something earlier.

Also, both me and aage voted for the herkman. Why the bandwagon on him and not on me? He is a better player, can contribute more to the town, and it would be a big mistake to vote for him. Me on the other hand- i could somewhat understand.

But yes aage's claim is true. I just didn't know what to say beforehand, because if I said I knew 100% that aage was town, people would ask how? But I didn't want to give too much info to the mafia. But aage was forced to claim, and everyone knows everything now.

So yes, lets test this out.

Unvote
(that's just temporary herk, still have my suspicions on you for that story.

Vote Violet


I also wanted people to vote me instead of Dazey

VioIet wrote:It was very hard to sit here and watch the bandwagon grow on someone I knew was a townie for the second time in a row.

You shouldn't really worry about that, I know when to claim and when not to

IF he turns clean, we will need to look at reasons for voting Aage. For instance, who switched to Aage once it got to be a BW? Also, those who kept their vote elsewhere, despite a BW, may be townies...

I see a very clear argument to BW on you after this

Still, I think calling you scum for hypocracy for the 3rd time this game would be inefficient, since the rest of the players doesn't seem to be bothered, so w/e...

theherkman wrote:IF he turns clean, we will need to look at reasons for voting Aage. For instance, who switched to Aage once it got to be a BW? Also, those who kept their vote elsewhere, despite a BW, may be townies...

aage (10) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, saxlad, strike wolf, iliad, flow, spiesr, /

theherkman wrote:Come on guys, I think I have proved myself through recent events. Please vote aage. Also, tomorrow we will need to look at was part of killing Daze. That irks me to no end.

This is basically the entire foundation of the BW on aage along with his One minded intensity on Hanging Herk

karelpietertje wrote:Even if they're sisters, one of them might be scum.

Haggis_McMutton wrote:However, karel has a good point, it completely slipped my mind, but traditionally siblings/lovers are one town, one scum, aren't they?

Yea the "sibling" roles traditionally are on different factions (and if one dies then so does the other). Of course Mr S might have mixed it up a little but I don't really see why we should expect it to be any different.

TheSaxlad wrote:P.S would I be right in saying bulletproof is unnightkillable?

That is the usual definition yes.



Just in case, UnVote, while I ponder where to go from here.

unvote

Well what a turn up for the books.

Now it seems funny to me that herk had a one-minded thing to kill Aage, so for the momment FOS on herkman, with a view to voting him if noone corroborates his story.

Anyone want to confirm herkman is a townie, otherwise for leading the bandwagon herk is definitely the scummiest to me at the moment.

TheSaxlad wrote:Im gonna wait till Vi comes out and confirms this, but Aage's story seems to be tight.

However saying vi is unlynchable, doesn't that just make us less likely to vote vioIet for a lynch. An interesting way for mafia to protect mafia. Maybe what aage said at first is more true...

Aage wrote:We're scumbuddies.

P.S would I be right in saying bulletproof is unnightkillable?

firsts sisters sounds like a flavor for lovers, usually when you got lovers one is town and the other scum, we cant deny also the posibility that he is trying to get us to lynch vio just for prove that she is unlynchable, therefor gaining for himself another night to kill, who says he didnt got roleblocked somehow last night? someone sugested there might have been more than one in the lineup.

aage wrote:Dude, she already made that seriously weird move that would have gotten her lynched. The only explanation for it would be her trying to get lynched instead of me, but not getting lynched since she is lynchproof. Please tell me what you think she did that for if not for this?

if this is the case, then she might be a better player than i give her credit for, interesting

theherkman wrote:IF he turns clean, we will need to look at reasons for voting Aage. For instance, who switched to Aage once it got to be a BW? Also, those who kept their vote elsewhere, despite a BW, may be townies...

aage (10) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, saxlad, strike wolf, iliad, flow, spiesr, /

wow that was brilliant, i wonder how it never occurred to me before

Haggis_McMutton wrote:

aage wrote:
As far as I know I'm town and VioIet's too... We're not lovers but sisters, which is something else, if you kill one of us the other doesn't die. Squirrel might have some weird revenge mechanic I don't know about but that's pure speculation.

Afaik sibling/lovers are used interchangeably. Of course it's quite likely squirrel mixed things up a bit, however if you don't both die when one dies, why would you be called lovers? You'd be just masons.

Were you specifically told Violet was town, or are you assuming?

aage and violet, can you both please answer to this question?

TheSaxlad wrote:unvote

Well what a turn up for the books.

Now it seems funny to me that herk had a one-minded thing to kill Aage, so for the momment FOS on herkman, with a view to voting him if noone corroborates his story.

Anyone want to confirm herkman is a townie, otherwise for leading the bandwagon herk is definitely the scummiest to me at the moment.

Another fish-for-a-second-target scheme?

theherkman wrote:I say we don't even investigate. He admits to being scum and I see no reason not to lynch. Seriously, man. Are you really saying not to lynch someone who admits to scum?

Skimming and trying to lynch him

theherkman wrote:IF he turns clean, we will need to look at reasons for voting Aage. For instance, who switched to Aage once it got to be a BW? Also, those who kept their vote elsewhere, despite a BW, may be townies...

aage (10) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, saxlad, strike wolf, iliad, flow, spiesr, /

A nice way to leave yourself out of this

aage wrote:Still, I think calling you scum for hypocracy for the 3rd time this game would be inefficient, since the rest of the players doesn't seem to be bothered, so w/e...

How so?.. I've been telling everyone that he's suspicious from day one..

Anyways, the claim is definitely believable for me, but we might as well test it out, since Vio is unlynchable. However, I'd also would like to hear the answer of Haggis question?..

Vote Vioiet.

The very DEFINITION of the sibling role is a town/scum team that can win with either side as long as they both survive, if you two are both town don't be suprised if squirrel put in "town godfather" as a role. now I'm comfortable with this vote unless one of you outs your godfather.

Didn't I already say we were town aligned? I think that answers the question perfectly...

flores wrote:we cant deny also the posibility that he is trying to get us to lynch vio just for prove that she is unlynchable, therefor gaining for himself another night to kill, who says he didnt got roleblocked somehow last night? .

Er, usually when you try to lynch an unlynchable person that person just gains x votes but the day doesn't end, he/she just doesn't get lynched, no matter how many votes...

aage wrote:I've been focussing on THM because I simply don't buy the "we're team rocket" claim

lulz. I think this should be worked into every mafia. So is herk Jessie? Or perhaps he's the Meowth character.

Stefunny wrote:

herk wrote:I say we don't even investigate. He admits to being scum and I see no reason not to lynch. Seriously, man. Are you really saying not to lynch someone who admits to scum?

I understand why the everyone gets frustrated with the skimmers now...

Seconded.

Well a lot has happened in the last two pages. Hm....

I think a lynch on Violet would prove extremely useful. However their alignment is still in question. Also, I've never had an experience with a lynch-proof character. If she were to be voted on, would we learn her role? You know when the day-ending scene comes out and reveals the name and role of the character, would that apply to someone who didn't die? I'm also not sure that it would reveal whether aage is scum or not. In the event that their on opposite alignments, they could easily lie and say they're both town. Hm very interesting, I like how this has turned out. The next day should be pretty good.

Also I must echo ga7 and cast suspicion on Jace. Did he just stop posting or is he lurking?

vote violet

-Tails

/ wrote:The very DEFINITION of the sibling role is a town/scum team that can win with either side as long as they both survive, if you two are both town don't be suprised if squirrel put in "town godfather" as a role. now I'm comfortable with this vote unless one of you outs your godfather.

What are you referring to? I don't have a godfather. AFAIK neither does VioIet. And why should there be a godfather anyway? You're assuming there's roles in there that simply aren't in there... I wonder why.

[quote="I"]In the event that theirthey're on opposite alignments.

Damn I hate it when I do that. I know better...

-TG

aage wrote:

/ wrote:The very DEFINITION of the sibling role is a town/scum team that can win with either side as long as they both survive, if you two are both town don't be suprised if squirrel put in "town godfather" as a role. now I'm comfortable with this vote unless one of you outs your godfather.

What are you referring to? I don't have a godfather. AFAIK neither does VioIet. And why should there be a godfather anyway? You're assuming there's roles in there that simply aren't in there... I wonder why.

I'm saying, why the heck are you "town aligned siblings" it doesn't make sense, it's like saying you're a roleblocker with no night action, or a mason that isn't allowed to talk to anyone.
seriously, just read the definition under "linked roles" http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf
your claim doesn't fit any of it

I never said we were siblings. We are sisters. We know each other's role and we can talk at night. And that's it.
I can win if VioIet's dead allright, but it'll be easier if she's alive. Same goes the other way around.
Also, that link you provided also doesn't mention a godfather. Please elaborate?

Gee, I don't know, I was insinuating you were scum and therefor have a godfather, clear enough?
But fine, I don't understand at all why you aren't just a "mason" if you have no characteristic quality on anything but that, still I'll suppose we'll see.
Unvote, vote violet

Here's my question if they are siblings and both can win regardless of possibly different allignments what motivation would either of them have for outing the other as scum? I'll unvote for now but it seems to me one of them could easily be and by role definition probably is scum but I am willing to leave that up to investigation.

Edit before post: ok aage now I'm confused exactly what is your role?

aage wrote:Er, usually when you try to lynch an unlynchable person that person just gains x votes but the day doesn't end, he/she just doesn't get lynched, no matter how many votes...

Oh, i didn't know about that. I thought the day ended.

Well, in that case, unvote vote Violet

/ wrote:I'm saying, why the heck are you "town aligned siblings" it doesn't make sense, it's like saying you're a roleblocker with no night action, or a mason that isn't allowed to talk to anyone.
seriously, just read the definition under "linked roles" http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf
your claim doesn't fit any of it

So when the claim first came out I must admit I went and looked up the sibling/sisters role to see exactly what the idea behind the role was. Being pretty much a newbie I wasn't familiar. I at first thought it was weird that all the descriptions I found said that the siblings were usually on opposite sides. I figured that maybe on CC it's not always true, maybe it's not uncommon...but now that more people have stated it I see that it would be unusual. I know there are variations on roles but I don't see the point in siblings that are on the same side. That would DEFINITELY have to mean that if one of you died the other one would as well, otherwise there is NO reason for you to be sisters. IMO it would then fall under the mason category, right?

aage wrote:I never said we were siblings. We are sisters. We know each other's role and we can talk at night. And that's it.
I can win if VioIet's dead allright, but it'll be easier if she's alive. Same goes the other way around.
Also, that link you provided also doesn't mention a godfather. Please elaborate?

How would be sisters NOT be siblings? You say it'll be easier to win if Vio is alive, but how would that be? If you're ONLY ability is that you can talk at night I don't see how that would really help you win.
AT FIRST I bought this whole claim and saw how it could be possible for both of you to be town...but the more and more we discuss it I believe it less and less. The whole thing just seems fishy.

I am leaning toward changing my vote but I don't know that voting a lynch on violet would REALLY tell us anything besides that she may or may not be unlynchable.