Conquer Club

Hey, do we have an anti-town count in storms end? because 3 of the people there are dead and they were all townies. The remaining ones alive are: nebuchadnezer, pancakemix, and me. I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

SiriusCowKing wrote:Hey, do we have an anti-town count in storms end? because 3 of the people there are dead and they were all townies. The remaining ones alive are: nebuchadnezer, pancakemix, and me. I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

You should block Neb. He's scum. And it's more than a hunch.

I am Tywin Lannister. I can use my wealth to learn someone's alignment, but there's a catch: Other Lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment. I investigated Neb N1 to see if there was someone I could trust in Storm's End. Turns out he's anti town. I checked Jak/Robik N2 and was roleblocked. With the roleblocks out now, I'm thouroughly confused. My guess is that Robik can't be checked, like Zivel. N3 I got a town result on Pretender (and I hinted at this during the day). I knew either he or Neb was Joffrey (in case you didn't piece it together the throne was in Storm's End) but I didn't know if Joffrey was a "Lannister" or not. Based on my result N3, I take it he was.

Why am I telling you this now? Frankly, I'm feeling a bit chicken. Plus we were having pretty good luck before yesterday and I was thinking about doing it then but I didn't.

So yeah. Block Neb.

pancakemix wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:Hey, do we have an anti-town count in storms end? because 3 of the people there are dead and they were all townies. The remaining ones alive are: nebuchadnezer, pancakemix, and me. I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

You should block Neb. He's scum. And it's more than a hunch.

I am Tywin Lannister. I can use my wealth to learn someone's alignment, but there's a catch: Other Lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment. I investigated Neb N1 to see if there was someone I could trust in Storm's End. Turns out he's anti town. I checked Jak/Robik N2 and was roleblocked. With the roleblocks out now, I'm thouroughly confused. My guess is that Robik can't be checked, like Zivel. N3 I got a town result on Pretender (and I hinted at this during the day). I knew either he or Neb was Joffrey (in case you didn't piece it together the throne was in Storm's End) but I didn't know if Joffrey was a "Lannister" or not. Based on my result N3, I take it he was.

Why am I telling you this now? Frankly, I'm feeling a bit chicken. Plus we were having pretty good luck before yesterday and I was thinking about doing it then but I didn't.

So yeah. Block Neb.

Now we're getting somewhere! I will put my KP on him! I can 100% be checked. Feel free to do it tonight if you'd like. YES! OMG SO HAPPY

Why didn't you just come out yesterday and we could have lynched him!!!!!!

Another option is that if someone can check what Neb's role is, we can get Zirel to shoot him tomorrow and we can get another lynch.

Let's discuss this.

soooo much info now
so much to disucssssss

If youve had this information since N1, why didnt you mention it until now?

I'm gonna go reread pcm and see if he pushed neb all game.

I started looking from d2 when PCM claims to have an anti-town check on neb. These are the posts I found important:


Votes JAK/Me (uncool):

pancakemix wrote:

mtamburini wrote:Your claim is perfect as mafia, immune to checks? How convenient. You can only kill people you know the username and Character name of? You could be a mafia cop that gets back exact roles. I am not convinced.

That actually makes perfect sense as for Arya. That, and I'd expect a counter by now regardless. I buy it.

The whole thing of "Voting together" was brought up by someone else and somehow I got pinned as the one to suggest it. I have said point blank that the second I find out any of you are anti-town I'll push for your head but until then I'd rather us work a little bit together instead of fighting like all the other cities are doing. 6 heads are better than 1.

Though now I have suspicion on AoG, he has sort of sheeped with Zivel against me. Maybe because if we do effectively work together in the way I suggested we'd be eliminating mafia in every city that we confirm 3-4 of them town. Leaving the last 2-3 up for lynching.[/quote
1. How d you have any idea what the other cities are doing?
2. You're now "suspicious" of someone just because they confirmed what was going on in the topic? Clearly these two don't see eye to eye on the whole of things. Saying they're both after you is just bogus.
3. Voting NL will get us nowhere. I know you have an opinion, you may as well voice it, even if you have been caught with your pants down.

I voted Zivel because
a. WE are running out of time in this day
b. We spent all of the time this day on zivel-oriented business
c. If we find out what he is with his alignmenent, city etc we can use all of the other incidents of the day to see how they align or go against

Translation: You voted Zivel because it's convenient.You don't have a reason except it's the most available lynch.

So many options, only one vote... I'll ##Vote Jak since there seems to be some dishonesty and deflection going on here that I don't like. FOS on Pretender and Slight FOS on mtam.

Votes pretender (uncool):

pancakemix wrote:Mmm, yeah I'm going to ##Vote Pretender. I could point to any number of reasons over the past two reasons as a good one, but they just keep comin'. This new Zivel business is more than enough on its own...

Votes pershy (cool):

pancakemix wrote:Well, it's certainly worth testing. ##Unvote ##Vote Pershy

What do we do if this ends up not being the truth? Or, perhaps a better question, what do we do if it ends up being true?

Defends me on d3 when he got RB'd, and thinks that I'm 3p/scum (weird):

pancakemix wrote:Don't care about Robik. He clearly hasn't read yet, we're just not in the mood for the jokes because we're well past that stage. If it keeps up tomorrow I'll worry about it.

Same thing as above:

pancakemix wrote:

Zivel wrote:So we doing this? I am willing to shoot poor ole pershy for a double lynch, who is next on the chopping block?

It's Robik. I say hold your fire. As much as I'd like to prove your claim, Robik shouldn't just get offed as soon as he comes in.

Votes SCK (most likely uncool):

pancakemix wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

...that doesn't make any sense at all. Charm doesn't have to be a roleblocker. It's just theoretical and doesn't mean anything one way or the other. Also:

SiriusCowKing wrote:4-page 38:

legionnare wrote:@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

Do YOU even read the thread?

So no, no you're not reading, because that says that it's not charm who was tracked/potential RB.

##Vote Sirius for some major skimmings.

@AoG: Have you forgotten that we can't lynch betiko even if we wanted to? My understanding is betiko is just the messenger anyway and this is something the Dread Fort is privvy to. (Am I wrong? Correct me if I am). If you're really that distrusting of Betiko, demand his name as collateral.

Except for the fact that I said that I don't know if JAK targeted anyone n1/n2. Some people are scared to vigi shoot early in games because they don't have enough information. Maybe he did shoot someone and I shot someone else. I don't know.

Knowing Jak, he probably tried (or learned his lesson from CYOC3...)

Finally votes Neb --> this is the first time he's mentioned Neb ALL GAME:

pancakemix wrote:

@pancake – Hi. Nice to see you every once in a while.

You realize I've posted at least once per (24 hr) day today right? And that I've been vocal about my reads and opinions both here and in the QT through those posts?

I'm actually pretty surprised you were in favor of a charm lynch, especially since that's why you're voting Sirius, isn't it? Trying to start an easy wagon on her? Maybe that has little to do with her specifically, but if you thought she was scummy why not go along? While I'm at it, why not bring up the fact that you knew full well that charm was town and know how she plays, but your first reaction as soon as Crasp flipped was to out her as Varys? Charm had an eye on you and I don't think that was unfounded. Call it a hunch.

You wanted me, here I am.

##Unvote

##Vote Neb

boonetown wrote:Zivel, i had asked you about your shot twice and wanted you to talk to me about it before shooting. I hinted that i thought it should be discussed that the shot could be on legion instead... why did you not even bother to talk to me or discuss it...

1. I don't see that Legion posted his character name anywhere.
2. You also said that he should go for Charm. So...

If Neb Is mafia, I think this is bad for bunnies:

pancakemix wrote:

27ninjabunnies wrote:Also, why are there votes on Neb?

He's more likely town than not town.
His posting is actually been really good.

Fp by betiko

I gave my reasons. You probably should stop forgetting about this game.

Hooray for double posts!

Conclusion: I'm not sure that it all adds up. I'm not sure why he would out this in the night instead of 1) yesterday 2) during the day tomorrow or right before the night ends. Having said that, I don't have too much of a reason to doubt him. In a setup of 24 people, I'd assume there are 6-7 scum and 2 are dead. It is unlikely that this claim will win the game for scum considering there was only 1KP last night. I think I'm willing to believe him and lynch neb tomorrow and reevaluate based off of the flip -- we do have his role name so Zivel can take care of him should neb flip town.

IAmRobik wrote:Why didn't you just come out yesterday and we could have lynched him!!!!!!

I did consider it, but I had other considerations. I was interested in SCK's case, for instance. I was just hinting at my results hoping someone would pick up, but I'm now reminded why I hate subtle hints.

strike wolf wrote:If youve had this information since N1, why didnt you mention it until now?

That, to me, seemed unwise. Better to quietly collect information rather than just announce it. Perhaps that will tell you why I've been keeping a lower-than-usual profile.

Epitaph1 wrote:

boonetown wrote:

Epitaph1 wrote:
Re: boone's action. I don't think it's sound to assume that whoever used an action on boone last night is scum. The reason is because we've already knocked off a scum BD and RB, what other disruptive roles could they have and remain balanced? Again, it strikes me as overpowerful to give the mafia 3 roles that could majorly eff will town's results--admittedly, this is speculation on my part. The main reason last night's action on boone is scummy is that boone is one of the KL 3 who is mostly cleared. I don't think it was prudent to use a disruptive ability on one of the people from KL at this point.

but seeing as though everyone was assuming that the three left in kings landing were TOWN, why would anyone try to change my action at night at all? doesnt seem particularly towny.

FP'd by many

You should read the entire paragraph before jumping on a couple of sentences. You just reiterated what I had already said.

boone and bunnies seem to have checked out since they were cleared.

Anyway, no point in keeping my vote on charm. I think SCK has been the scummiest of the remaining players. Vote SCK

fp'd

I repeated it for robik, not you, I should have clarified and I am not checked out, dont worry.

FP'd, on phone

pancakemix wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:Hey, do we have an anti-town count in storms end? because 3 of the people there are dead and they were all townies. The remaining ones alive are: nebuchadnezer, pancakemix, and me. I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

You should block Neb. He's scum. And it's more than a hunch.

I am Tywin Lannister. I can use my wealth to learn someone's alignment, but there's a catch: Other Lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment. I investigated Neb N1 to see if there was someone I could trust in Storm's End. Turns out he's anti town. I checked Jak/Robik N2 and was roleblocked. With the roleblocks out now, I'm thouroughly confused. My guess is that Robik can't be checked, like Zivel. N3 I got a town result on Pretender (and I hinted at this during the day). I knew either he or Neb was Joffrey (in case you didn't piece it together the throne was in Storm's End) but I didn't know if Joffrey was a "Lannister" or not. Based on my result N3, I take it he was.

Why am I telling you this now? Frankly, I'm feeling a bit chicken. Plus we were having pretty good luck before yesterday and I was thinking about doing it then but I didn't.

So yeah. Block Neb.

Okay, I'll skip all the other stuff since my last post and jump right to this. That's a nice claim, pancake, but it doesn't add up at all. Why? I am Jaime Lannister, the kingslayer. Don't believe me? We can pull Cersei Lannister into this, if you like. My lover (both in the books and in this game as a lover mechanic). Cersei and I have been in a QT all game long sharing information and ideas. I will not out Cersie yet, but at this point, if you kill me, you kill Cersei. What is my power? Besides lover with Cersei, I have a .5 KP each night. I must apologize for being the cause of Hotshot's death. I hit him N1 because I thought he was off, and Cersei agreed that it wouldn't matter to bring him down to .5 life left. After the events of day 2, I thought he got off easy and flew under the radar. Cersei and I decided it would be okay if I hit him again. Thus his death N2. N3 I hit Jweidlin...that dude has been so far under the radar this game, and again doing a .5 KP doesn't kill anyone.

So, pancake, please tell me how you claim to have gotten a guilty result on a Lannister? Do you think maybe Pretender's action could have affected it? This might be the case but...

Ever since I told you in our QT to get in here and post, you've done nothing but go for me. Saying I was against Charm all along...what was it?

pancakemix wrote:

@pancake – Hi. Nice to see you every once in a while.

You realize I've posted at least once per (24 hr) day today right? And that I've been vocal about my reads and opinions both here and in the QT through those posts?

I'm actually pretty surprised you were in favor of a charm lynch, especially since that's why you're voting Sirius, isn't it? Trying to start an easy wagon on her? Maybe that has little to do with her specifically, but if you thought she was scummy why not go along? While I'm at it, why not bring up the fact that you knew full well that charm was town and know how she plays, but your first reaction as soon as Crasp flipped was to out her as Varys? Charm had an eye on you and I don't think that was unfounded. Call it a hunch.

You wanted me, here I am.

##Unvote

##Vote Neb

What is that bolded part? How would I know how Charm plays? I think I was in one maybe two games with her, and we both died N1 in one of them. So, if you want to bring up the Charm case, let's do it. Why did I think she was scum?

1. When we had the Throne on D1, she voted for herself to get the bonus. That struck me as selfish like a mafia player would want it.
2. She posted as Varys in our QT and then deleted it. DELETED it. Anyone that deletes a post is going to get my suspicion. It's a scum tell that the person posted something that gives them away.
3. She "promised" us that what we said in our town QT wouldn't make it to the other towns...knowing full well that she was in a QT with Crasp. I knew Varys would have another QT, as I was in one with Cersei. Her posting as Varys and then deleting it was a dead give away...I had almost done the same thing. Which is why I quickly gave my identity to Cersei and started posting as myself in that thread.
4. Couple that with Charm's crazy claims D2 and failure to deliver anything.

Yes. I was suspicious of Charm. But as you saw in our town QT any time I brought something up, she went crazy. What did she say...something like "I will show you what a bitch I can really be"? Then put that all together with Betiko's post about her lying to Crasp and it was quite the scum trail.

Does that suffice for why I didn't like Charm?

Now. Why did I vote Sirius? Sirius's play on D3 was terrible. I kind of see his point of view now, but he was basing everything on one night of info and trying to pin everything on one person. Then he votes Charm and it looks like a wagon doesn't start on her, so he hops off rather quickly. Two ways to interpret this: 1. He is scum and Charm is town. He wanted to start a wagon and then let it coast. There was certainly info out there against Charm. 2. He is scum and Charm is scum. He wanted to vote and accuse her, and then jump off so a bandwagon wouldn't start and she'd get lynched...if she got lynched, he might get some town cred. Either way, after Charm's flip, I was even more suspicious of him and left my vote.

What you fail to mention about Sirius is that I started the vote that saved his ass in our QT! Hell, you and even Sirius seemed to forget that we had that vote. For the rest of town, Storm's End has had the throne all game (given that Pretender was sitting on it). Each day we got to vote on a "bonus" (I'll get to those in a minute). D4 we could vote on who to save from a lynch. We hadn't voted anyone yet. When the day got close to an end, I logged on quick to check things out. Because I work during the day, I only had time to go into our QT and vote to save Sirius when I saw his claim. Why save him? There was no way mafia has 2 roleblockers. Now, I will admit, I thought the vote would just stop his lynch like a governor...I didn't expect it to fall to the next player. Otherwise, I might have voted No Lynch to (not like I had a lot of time though, and let's be honest, Pretender wasn't a bad option at the time).

The Throne: It gives the city it is in a "bonus" each day.
D1: We voted to give +.5 life.(Charm voted herself...everyone else voted Pancake...and I feel a little sick right now)
D2: We voted to watch one city and see how many people visited that city at night. We watched Storm's End and 4 people stopped by. This was fairly useless to us.
D3: We got to vote to protect one player at night. I voted Strike. I think Pancake and Sirius(?) voted Boone. We were all thinking King's Landing.
D4: Vote to stop a lynch. (Saved Sirius)

Phew! That's a lot to get off my chest.

So, Pancake. It all comes back to your crap claim that you got a guilty on me. I am a Lannister. According to your claim, there is no way you got a guilty on me...unless the Bus driver or Pretender messed with your results. Care to rethink your claim?

My only question is...are you the scum in Storm's End? I don't know what to think. Hopefully, I laid out all the information for town so that they can judge.

If Sirius still wants to block me, go ahead. I wasn't planning on going for anyone tonight anyway. I would also allow town to direct my .5KP if they like.

SiriusCowKing wrote:I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

How does proving yourself a roleblocker give us any info on your alignment???

pancakemix wrote:

IAmRobik wrote:Why didn't you just come out yesterday and we could have lynched him!!!!!!

I did consider it, but I had other considerations. I was interested in SCK's case, for instance. I was just hinting at my results hoping someone would pick up, but I'm now reminded why I hate subtle hints.

strike wolf wrote:If youve had this information since N1, why didnt you mention it until now?

That, to me, seemed unwise. Better to quietly collect information rather than just announce it. Perhaps that will tell you why I've been keeping a lower-than-usual profile.

I can understand you wanting to collect more info before revealing but you still haven't answered robik's question about why not wait 'til tomorrow??? Why out yourself tonight when you could have revealed another read tomorrow? Do you think you were are target tonight? You are now but I'm not sure you would have been before.

MudPuppy wrote:

SiriusCowKing wrote:I can prove that I am town by roleblocking the target that you want me to like I just said. Which means that 1 or both of the 2 others are mafia. FOS and I think we should look into that as soon as possible.

How does proving yourself a roleblocker give us any info on your alignment???

We already killed the mafia roleblocker and the bus driver. Do you really think there would be 2 mafia roleblocker and a bus driver? How much OP is that!


I am unsure of who I trust the most between those 2 claims, who do you guys think is the mafia here?

I just read neb's claim. Seems legit too.
The one thing that really made me think was when he said:

So, Pancake. It all comes back to your crap claim that you got a guilty on me. I am a Lannister. According to your claim, there is no way you got a guilty on me...unless the Bus driver or Pretender messed with your results. Care to rethink your claim?

The reason this stuck out to me was that unless there's a town bus driver, this wouldn't make sense because it would appear that Boone's actions were altered by Pretender (no way to verify this now).

I don't know what our best course of action is at this point. Maybe it would be best for Zivel to sort this all out for us since she has two role claims now.

Based off of the show, I'd think Tywin would be red and Jaime would be green (at least based off of the last season), but with Joffrey flipping green, that theory might not be so good.

I'm caught up until Neb's monster post. I have to get a post in and don't have much time today (music fest). Just wanted to say that I don't think that the mafia would have 2 RBs, seems ridiculous so I think SCK is probably OK. Scummy play, but I think he's alright unless he's lying about his role, which I haven't seen any evidence against its veracity.

The only way we're fucked in this scenario is that they're both town. I think we can kill one, and if they come back green we kill the other -- if they come back red, the other is like confirmed town (cause why would PCM claim against neb if they were maf/maf). There would be no reason to bus to gain town cred at this point in the game, because people would start getting ridiculously suspicious about why he were still alive as the game progressed.

Pcm s timing is really strange...
And i kind of had a better town read on neb so far.
Sck s explanations make sense I understand better his assumptions.
with 3 left there I would assume at least 1 should be scum and i m leaning pcm.

And braavos.. Wtf, they are still 6! Lol.

betiko wrote:timestamps:

storr posted the VC and changed it 3 times.

storr posts at (I'm giving the timestamps on my browser) 17:13, modifies 3 times, last modification at 17:54

pretender posts at 17:32
neb posts at 17:37
kgb posts at 17:53 and casts a vote on me when it was proven that votes on me don't work.

I think it is extremely likely to think that one of these 3 has the throne, and we don't know crap about this throne.... I think that any alignment can have it to double vote anonymously.
Is it something that gets passed on easily? no idea. Do people kill for the throne?

fp

I guess i was right (i made a mistake with kgb and removed him the post after) the throne was either pretender either neb... And they must ve taken the decision together.

Storm s end: how was the voting for scums in your qt, how did pcm react to them?

Betiko, who do you think I should drop the KP on? Should I still target legion or should i put it on neb/pcm?
I think I wanna put the .5 on neb as a precaution, but could also be convinced to completely ignore that situation and let it play out

IAmRobik wrote:Betiko, who do you think I should drop the KP on? Should I still target legion or should i put it on neb/pcm?
I think I wanna put the .5 on neb as a precaution, but could also be convinced to completely ignore that situation and let it play out

Actually, if you and neb work together and if you are actually both town, you guys can perform a kill tonight. It could work fine to kill pcm, but i am not fully convinced about the pcm case, although i m really not a fan of everything we just learned...

betiko wrote:

betiko wrote:timestamps:

storr posted the VC and changed it 3 times.

storr posts at (I'm giving the timestamps on my browser) 17:13, modifies 3 times, last modification at 17:54

pretender posts at 17:32
neb posts at 17:37
kgb posts at 17:53 and casts a vote on me when it was proven that votes on me don't work.

I think it is extremely likely to think that one of these 3 has the throne, and we don't know crap about this throne.... I think that any alignment can have it to double vote anonymously.
Is it something that gets passed on easily? no idea. Do people kill for the throne?

fp

I guess i was right (i made a mistake with kgb and removed him the post after) the throne was either pretender either neb... And they must ve taken the decision together.

Storm s end: how was the voting for scums in your qt, how did pcm react to them?

We didn't really vote on scum there. We only voted on our special bonuses. Pretender made the THRONE votes all on his own it would appear. I thought Pancake was on the throne due to our first day vote, but I only inquired if Pancake made the vote, and didn't really push any further, as I thought the throne seemed town aligned. Otherwise, the conversation was who we leaned toward as scum, and most of that was repeated in the main thread here. PCM was fairly quiet in our QT.

On pancake's claim...I'm not sure why he would come out swinging at me if he is scum. Other than we are down to 3 players with Sirius looking pretty town. Maybe he wanted to get first strike on what he knew would come down to me or him? If I understand his role, he is the cop equivalent in this game. But I have no idea how he'd get a guilty result on me, when his role states Lannisters return innocent...that doesn't fit. My only thought is if I was busdriven N1, or there is another role that makes me look guilty...framer perhaps? Although those would all be huge coincidences that both cop and busdriver/framer target me N1.

Bottom line is that if Sirius blocks me, it's no matter to me. Then we head into D5 to figure out who is scum. I'd like to hear from Pancake again...

FPd by betiko - We could kill pancake...but do we agree that there MUST be a scum in Storm's End? If that's the consensus then Pancake has to be the scum...and making a kill is the right thing to do.

On one hand:

1. That sounds terribly convenient. You're exactly what you need to be to bounce my investigation, have a "partner", AND you have a KP? That reeks. Also, aren't lovers typically a town/mafia split?
2. You were witness to Charm's play in Cyborgs, so you should at least recognize her meta. Her slip should have proved how she would act straight off as well. To add to that, she DIDN'T reveal us, did she?
3. In what world would Varys, the most neutral of all characters in the series, be mafia? Most others acknowledged she was probably 3P but you thought she was scum, and that's strange.
4. If I am scum I am made the most godawful play in the history of ever by claiming. I have put my name out on the chopping block and have come out with admittedly not that great results. I'd be signing my own death warrant.
5. You try to take credit for saving Sirius like I had no part in it and was inspired by you, the valiant hero, to spare him. That's a crock. I was in the middle of baking when I realized we had that power and rushed to my computer to cast a vote. I have just as much pull on that vote as you do. Don't act like you're his savior.

On the other:

1. I have to admit there's some margin for error considering the busdriver and redirector. That being said, on the surface I can't just assume that's what happened. Too much uncertainty. That said, I do have to bring this up: you DID come back town. At first. Then I recieved a follow-up that said there was an error and that you were anti-town. Does that indicate redirection? Maybe. But I couldn't tell you what the nature of that error was, so again: too much uncertainty. I have to go with the devil I know.

I stand by my claim. I have reported my results accurately. There's not much else I CAN do.

You really didn't think it was important to out the possible mod error? Man, PCM, I'm not thrilled at all.

Cersei, I think you need to out to confirm what neb is saying to be true.

IAmRobik wrote:You really didn't think it was important to out the possible mod error? Man, PCM, I'm not thrilled at all.

Cersei, I think you need to out to confirm what neb is saying to be true.

Again, I have to go with the devil I know. I don't know the nature of it and neither do you. Even if there were a redirect, you must admit it doesn't clear him. If he's a Lannister as he claims, my investigation means nothing. He could just as easily be scum.