Conquer Club

mpjh wrote:I also think that stroop is too eager to label me a cult leader with little more than a no lynch vote to go on. I suspect stroop, but need more to vote to lynch him.

At this point I don't see a reason to suspect anyone.

But I do see a reason to accuse captianwalrus.

captainwalrus wrote:I'm afraid I don't

Well you just sit there and think about it all night.



Actually if you think about it though, why would William18 calculate the odds already? I suspect that he's innocent. Or guilty... I can go either way on this, I'll just wait and see what the mob decides...

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OK, based on the role I have, I know there are at least 3 people who are kinda key to beating the cults.

So if you hit one of these people, the cult they are specialized against will have little to stop them besides lynching, and you have an equal chance of hitting these people as cult leaders.

Therefore,

UNVOTE SPIESR
VOTE NO LYNCH

mpjh wrote:I do think that stroop's no lynch vote is an effort to avoid a lynch altogether.

Yes, even though there's an obvious downside for everybody if we don't lynch, I think I'll be able to rally you all onto the no lynch bandwagon!

I also think that stroop is too eager to label me a cult leader with little more than a no lynch vote to go on. I suspect stroop, but need more to vote to lynch him.

Tut tut, I said that there's a 1 in 4 chance that you're a cult leader, not that you are one. You may notice that the odds of you being a townie are 3 times as large.

Juan_Bottom wrote:But I do see a reason to accuse captianwalrus.

captainwalrus wrote:I'm afraid I don't

I'm afraid I also don't...

unvote - time for seriousness

vote kagetora, a third no lynch vote?

Stroop wrote:vote kagetora, a third no lynch vote?

You were voting for no lynch yourself earlier even though it may have been a joke you are now now a hypocrite.

kagetora wrote:OK, based on the role I have, I know there are at least 3 people who are kinda key to beating the cults.
So if you hit one of these people, the cult they are specialized against will have little to stop them besides lynching, and you have an equal chance of hitting these people as cult leaders.

2 problems with this.
1. If we hit a cult leader now then we don't need the person who fights that cult t beat the cult as that cult is dead! There is as good of chance of killing a cult now as their ever will be.
2. You have either painted a huge target on your head or are lying...

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mpjh wrote:Juan, I am voting you because you are too cryptic. I think we need to be straightforward in this situation. Too much paranoia other wise. If you vote was because of something not in this town, please say so.

I think he is just being silly, now would be as good of time as any for him to be serious though...

vote:space_ghst_44 for being on the player list.

mpjh wrote:Juan, I am voting you because you are too cryptic. I think we need to be straightforward in this situation. Too much paranoia other wise. If you vote was because of something not in this town, please say so.

I don't even know captianwalrus. I was just doing what everyone else was; Lynching for no obvious reason. Can't help it if I play it cooler!

I don't see why we would even be talking about lynching yet. Of course, I'm new to this, but shouldn't we have some form of evidence before we lynch someone? A group consensus perhaps? Everyone is voting for someone differen't. And I agree that it is too risky to lose a cult killer to a blind lynch.

spiesr wrote:1. If we hit a cult leader now then we don't need the person who fights that cult t beat the cult as that cult is dead! There is as good of chance of killing a cult now as their ever will be.

I agree but I think kage is just saying we should lynch someone because we have some idea of who they are, rather than blind lynching.

spiesr wrote:2. You have either painted a huge target on your head or are lying...

No U!

Unvote

Juan_Bottom wrote:I don't see why we would even be talking about lynching yet. Of course, I'm new to this, but shouldn't we have some form of evidence before we lynch someone? A group consensus perhaps? Everyone is voting for someone different. And I agree that it is too risky to lose a cult killer to a blind lynch.

Unless there is a cop or something (maybe maybe not) we are unlikely to ever know for sure that they person we think we should lynch will be cult. We just have to find someone who looks most like it and go for it. And if we do start to build a lynch on a pro-town power-role they can always try to make a claim to save themselves. If they are a "cult killer" they have an okay chance of getting us to stop form lynching them. If they are forced out in to the open by us may not be the end of the world as (so far) it appears the cults can only kill if they all target the same person. I am not sure what would happen if a "cult killer" is recruited but for all I know that may even be how they kill the cult...

Juan_Bottom wrote:I agree but I think kage is just saying we should lynch someone because we have some idea of who they are, rather than blind lynching.

Really? To me it seemed like he had decided that a lynch was to risky to be attempted and advocated us not doing a lynch.

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vote animorpherv1 for always voting me with silly reasoning.

heh, fair enough, I suppose I'm just a bit uneasy after seeing the results so far for Natewolfman's other game here.
I do find it odd that so many here benefit from no-lynches, there's always a chance of them being leaders, though it's hard to tell knowing so little about potential roles.

spiesr wrote:2 problems with this.
1. If we hit a cult leader now then we don't need the person who fights that cult t beat the cult as that cult is dead! There is as good of chance of killing a cult now as their ever will be.
2. You have either painted a huge target on your head or are lying...

1. You have an equal chance of killing off a cult leader and the cult killer I was talking about.
2. I know. If I were you, I would suspect the second one.
3. Also based on the role I have, I know there is no angel/doc. Or am I trying to make you think I am that? YOU'LL NEVER KNOW! MWAHAHAHA!

From behind the mulberry bush, radiojake makes his triumphant mafia debut!! With his awesome array of arsenal at his disposal, he manages to single-handedly kill everyone to take out the game and be presented with the winners trophy!

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spiesr wrote:And if we do start to build a lynch on a pro-town power-role they can always try to make a claim to save themselves. If they are a "cult killer" they have an okay chance of getting us to stop form lynching them.

spiesr wrote:If they are forced out in to the open by us may not be the end of the world as (so far) it appears the cults can only kill if they all target the same person.

Can't people lie about their roles? I don't understand?

spiesr wrote:I am not sure what would happen if a "cult killer" is recruited but for all I know that may even be how they kill the cult...

That does make sense, and in that instance, it seems like the best thing to do is to keep them from being found out. Then we really should excersize caution with lynchings?

spiesr wrote:Really? To me it seemed like he had decided that a lynch was to risky to be attempted and advocated us not doing a lynch.

Same difference, if he had evidence he would lynch.

kagetora wrote:YOU'LL NEVER KNOW!

We would if we lynched...



We need more people in here so we can form some profiles.

Vote Kag sounds like a very cocky cult leader to me.

I am also suspicious of Kage, I'd like to hear more before i vote, but it seems pretty stupid to me to claim a power role this early. Now he'll be the target of both the town and the cults.

Also Unvote

Me too, but my interest is in keeping him talking

To people suggesting no lynching your forgetting one major point. Lynches give us information, we find out the lynched players role so we can see who supported their lynch, who opposed it and who was just bandwaggoning. After a few lynches patterns emerge and then we have good evidence as to who is scum.

If we no lynch then we will have no more info on day 2 than we did on day 1, and its unlikely too many people will die in the night (as its a cult game) meaning we can't spot scum partnerships etc. We need information and lynches are our best tool in doing so.

And don't get voting and lynching confused it takes 10 votes to lynch so two random votes don't matter much.

pmchugh wrote:To people suggesting no lynching your forgetting one major point. Lynches give us information, we find out the lynched players role so we can see who supported their lynch, who opposed it and who was just bandwaggoning. After a few lynches patterns emerge and then we have good evidence as to who is scum.
If we no lynch then we will have no more info on day 2 than we did on day 1, and its unlikely too many people will die in the night (as its a cult game) meaning we can't spot scum partnerships etc. We need information and lynches are our best tool in doing so.
And don't get voting and lynching confused it takes 10 votes to lynch so two random votes don't matter much.

This is pretty much all correct here. And to the people saying we need evidence before we lynch I have this to say. In this game the primary form of evidence is lynches and votes. Nights actions can be used as lynches too but only if you have the necessary roles to get them. It does not appear that we can count on having these roles in this game. Also note that we are not really trying to lynch any one in particular yet. We will lynch somebody when their actions of this day (call it evidence if you want) lead us to believe they a scum. I understand your hesitance to lynch someone at this moment but voting for a no lynch is not the way to advocate not lynching but to discuss.

kagetora, you have essentially already claimed a powerful role the cult already know "what you are" and will take actions accordingly (or you are lying) so why don't you fill us in on all the details of your role so we know how to proceed.

kagetora wrote:You have an equal chance of killing off a cult leader and the cult killer I was talking about.

And therefore the potential rewards out way the risk. We have a"equal chance of wiping out a cult or forcing an anti cult role out into the open. Unless the anti-cult thing can wipe out the entire cult in one hit and there person using it is really good at it. Then getting a cult down is more valuable then that role.

kagetora wrote:

spiesr wrote:You have either painted a huge target on your head or are lying...

2. I know. If I were you, I would suspect the second one.

Why, do you know something about me that the rest of us don't?

/ wrote:I do find it odd that so many here benefit from no-lynches.

Who benefits form no lynches at this point in the game? I can't actually think of anybody. Unless they would be lynched themselves, which at this point should not be too hard to avoid.

Unvote
Vote stroop

He is very suspicious. First he tried to vote no lyinch to save himself because the situation was very good following mpjh's no lynch vote. Then, once he realised how suspicious it looked, he changed and claimed to think it was odd that there was 3 votes for no lynch. Very suspicious.

MPJH

mpjh wrote:I also think that stroop is too eager to label me a cult leader with little more than a no lynch vote to go on. I suspect stroop, but need more to vote to lynch him.

Wrong!

mpjh wrote:Vote no lynch

AND

mpjh wrote:How much can we tell about our roles?

From what you've said thus far I'd label you cult.
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mpjh wrote:How much can we tell about our roles?

spiesr wrote:are you jester or something like that?

Stroop wrote:mpjh is probably not a normal townie, considering he asked how much he can tell us about his role, so there's a 1 in 4 chance he's a cult leader. Good odds for day one if you ask me.

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Natewolfman wrote:

mpjh wrote:Anyone have any idea why the cults came in after the Mafia was eliminated?

A social atmosphere with little to no violence leads to a twisting and (eventual) snapping of the mind, probable psychosis, and dilusions... however

derfderf34 wrote:I dont see how that is relevant

william18 wrote:Mpjh is delving to deeply in the small things. Not sure if he's curious, or trying to throw us off.

mpjh wrote:Look like we landed in your pond.

Huh?

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mpjh wrote:OK, Juan, i understand.

UNVOTE

mpjh's next post

mpjh wrote:unvote
vote stroop

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Kagetora

kagetora wrote:

spiesr wrote:

mpjh wrote:Vote no lynch
I want to hear more. It seems that townies may be going to go fast in this situation, so we need to make the lynch count.

Yes, townies are likely going to be recruited at a fast rate so I understand you want us to make the lynch count. If we lynch a leader today that would be great for the town as there would only be two cults for the rest of the game then.

But, a no lynch would help the cults as they would all recruit tonight. If the town is to win this game they need these early day lynches. Voting no lynch seems to be a really bad idea at this point. If you just wanted us to slow down and think you should have just not voted. Besides, all games here start off with at least or few random votes.
Vote mpjh

Or are you jester or something like that? Because even a cult leader would want a lynch today as long as it wasn't himself.

This seems like the most suspicious thing said so far.

VOTE SPIESR

We were only 15 posts into the game... plus I'd say Spiesr didn't look suspicious at all saying that.

kagetora wrote:OK, based on the role I have, I know there are at least 3 people who are kinda key to beating the cults.

So if you hit one of these people, the cult they are specialized against will have little to stop them besides lynching, and you have an equal chance of hitting these people as cult leaders.

Therefore,

UNVOTE SPIESR
VOTE NO LYNCH

kagetora wrote:

spiesr wrote:2 problems with this.
1. If we hit a cult leader now then we don't need the person who fights that cult t beat the cult as that cult is dead! There is as good of chance of killing a cult now as their ever will be.
2. You have either painted a huge target on your head or are lying...

1. You have an equal chance of killing off a cult leader and the cult killer I was talking about.
2. I know. If I were you, I would suspect the second one.
3. Also based on the role I have, I know there is no angel/doc. Or am I trying to make you think I am that? YOU'LL NEVER KNOW! MWAHAHAHA!

These two have my scumdar going nuts. Both of them admit to having power roles. Both voted no lynch. FOS Kagetora and mphj for now until I can decide who I will vote for. I found all this great stuff in my first read-through and spent half an hour finding looking for it while I was making this post. I can't think so clearly now. I can barely write clear sentences right now. I have found several mistakes I've made luckily. Chances are there will be an EBWOP for things I missed and half-baked sentences I changed halfway through forgetting to fix the first half.