Conquer Club

Guiscard wrote:
There's a lot of debate in political circles, in the non-red-top press and in the political media in general, most of which gives economic and political justification for both sides of the debate... Unfortunately I've not seen any of that in your posts yet Norse, so perhaps your last two paragraphs are a mirrored rapier...

Oh, it's only my good mate sissy guissy!

What justification/evidence would you like dear friend? What statements must I elaborate on? please do enlighten me, as I am starting to get a nervous twitch in my eye, just in case my evidential facts are not accepted by your "moth-eaten, dictatorial, marxist history department" that you work within.

Cut the shit, you fucking know as well as I do as to what problems I am referring to.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Simonov wrote:

ignotus wrote:O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

Simonov's feelings, I believe, stem from an innate, normal and healthy desire to protect his culture, against the fanfared arrival of new cultural diversity that in fact is a social plague

limited minds are a social plague.

limited to what

Napoleon Ier wrote:limited to what

limited in the sense of lack of openness.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Simonov wrote:

ignotus wrote:O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

Simonov's feelings, I believe, stem from an innate, normal and healthy desire to protect his culture, against the fanfared arrival of new cultural diversity that in fact is a social plague

diversity isn't a plague - nothingness is, we will loose our own national/cultural identity what i see as a bad thing (maybe you would like that ignotus). i like the differences, i respect other culture but i love my own and don't want to see it perish. i 'm anti-globalist, i would hate to see world where every one thinks, breathes and does the same. cherish our differences, respect others, but defend your own...

got tonkaed wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:limited to what

limited in the sense of lack of openness.

I have no reason for apologising for lack of openess to dissolution of my ancestors' culture and my heritage

Simonov wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Simonov wrote:

ignotus wrote:O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

Simonov's feelings, I believe, stem from an innate, normal and healthy desire to protect his culture, against the fanfared arrival of new cultural diversity that in fact is a social plague

diversity isn't a plague - nothingness is, we will loose our own national/cultural identity what i see as a bad thing (maybe you would like that ignotus). i like the differences, i respect other culture but i love my own and don't want to see it perish. i 'm anti-globalist, i would hate to see world were every one thinks, breathes and does the same. cherish our differences, respect others, but defend your own...

i dont really disagree with this, but i think it can go a little of both ways. As long as each generation really does work to promote the things that have value to them, they will probably hang around for quite some time. Yes they will be diffused a bit, but theres far more factors than just new immigrants which cause that.

ignotus wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Simonov wrote:

ignotus wrote:O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

Simonov's feelings, I believe, stem from an innate, normal and healthy desire to protect his culture, against the fanfared arrival of new cultural diversity that in fact is a social plague

limited minds are a social plague.

naive people also

Different Cultures? Fine, just don't interfere with mine


chacun chez soi et les vaches seront bien gardées

Napoleon Ier wrote:

got tonkaed wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:limited to what

limited in the sense of lack of openness.

I have no reason for apologising for lack of openess to dissolution of my ancestors' culture and my heritage

no one is making you, you just have to realize people arent all going to think like that, and think you to be a bit of a stubborn pig. You have every right to think they are just as dense.

Economic imigration is tricky. It rathet depends on the level of necessity.
But political immigration (ie, those fleeing tyrannous regimes) is easy: Let them all in, no exceptions. Otherwise England stands for nothing.

Napoleon Ier wrote:Different Cultures? Fine, just don't interfere with mine


chacun chez soi et les vaches seront bien gardées

translation: everyone at his own place and cow will be well guarded...

Norse wrote:

Guiscard wrote:
There's a lot of debate in political circles, in the non-red-top press and in the political media in general, most of which gives economic and political justification for both sides of the debate... Unfortunately I've not seen any of that in your posts yet Norse, so perhaps your last two paragraphs are a mirrored rapier...

Oh, it's only my good mate sissy guissy!

What justification/evidence would you like dear friend? What statements must I elaborate on? please do enlighten me, as I am starting to get a nervous twitch in my eye, just in case my evidential facts are not accepted by your "moth-eaten, dictatorial, marxist history department" that you work within.

Cut the shit, you fucking know as well as I do as to what problems I am referring to.

Well, you know... I'm sure we all remember your last attempt at some kind of statistic... When we extrapolated the figures you gave for the last couple of years of immigration we discovered that apparently the Poles have tripled the population of Britain... Where are they all hiding again?

I get Daily Mail headlines, but not Spectator articles...

Simonov wrote:you think they will renounce their culture and heritage to integrate. you are ridiculous ignotus. if i'm a racist for wanting to my way of life and culture perserved then be so.

your children will only eat sweet and sour pork, no one will know about češnjovke anymore. it will be a disaster for human race. :lol:

well simonov, unlike you I made about 60 kilograms of češnovkas (garlic sausages) today. I'm not that sure how češnjovka is helping human race in Croatia. So please explain that part...

You urge to protect the things you know shows that you are a conservative. Did American culture just surrendered when the first 13 colonies embraced other territories and people.

Home is where's your heart at. Your country too.

Guiscard wrote:

Norse wrote:

Guiscard wrote:
There's a lot of debate in political circles, in the non-red-top press and in the political media in general, most of which gives economic and political justification for both sides of the debate... Unfortunately I've not seen any of that in your posts yet Norse, so perhaps your last two paragraphs are a mirrored rapier...

Oh, it's only my good mate sissy guissy!

What justification/evidence would you like dear friend? What statements must I elaborate on? please do enlighten me, as I am starting to get a nervous twitch in my eye, just in case my evidential facts are not accepted by your "moth-eaten, dictatorial, marxist history department" that you work within.

Cut the shit, you fucking know as well as I do as to what problems I am referring to.

Well, you know... I'm sure we all remember your last attempt at some kind of statistic... When we extrapolated the figures you gave for the last couple of years of immigration we discovered that apparently the Poles have tripled the population of Britain... Where are they all hiding again?

I get Daily Mail headlines, but not Spectator articles...

Haha! cop-out numero 2 of the night.

Next!

(BTW, I sorted out your quoting issues.. )

Napoleon Ier wrote:Different Cultures? Fine, just don't interfere with mine


chacun chez soi et les vaches seront bien gardées

well then problem is that even after a little extension, not even to the point of absurdity, its easy to understand that no culture is going to be able to stay in its own island. It is a product of a lot of differnet movements, which have far too many proponents to really be stopped in favor of some kind of isolated protectionst world.

Im not saying in any way theres a global conspiracy going, but a lot of people benefit from the world opening up, so its not going to close back down on its own. Part of that means all cultures are going to be under a bit of attack (using your mindset). Its up to each culture to find ways to keep itself from being lost.

ignotus wrote:

Simonov wrote:you think they will renounce their culture and heritage to integrate. you are ridiculous ignotus. if i'm a racist for wanting to my way of life and culture perserved then be so.

your children will only eat sweet and sour pork, no one will know about češnjovke anymore. it will be a disaster for human race. :lol:

well simonov, unlike you I made about 60 kilograms of češnovkas (garlic sausages) today. I'm not that sure how češnjovka is helping human race in Croatia. So please explain that part...

You urge to protect the things you know shows that you are a conservative. Did American culture just surrendered when the first 13 colonies embraced other territories and people.

Home is where's your heart at. Your country too.

1. this was an irony (but it starts from small thing usually)
2. i'm not a conservative nor liberal - i have my own opinion on every subject and can't be sorted to such narrow definitions - these are used by people who like to simplify and don't like to think for themselves. i am conservative on this subject - u could say so.
3. americans have no culture, no nation, no loyalty on national level - i would hate to live in a place like that. what is american culture? macdonalds? coca-cola?

Norse wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

Norse wrote:

Guiscard wrote:
There's a lot of debate in political circles, in the non-red-top press and in the political media in general, most of which gives economic and political justification for both sides of the debate... Unfortunately I've not seen any of that in your posts yet Norse, so perhaps your last two paragraphs are a mirrored rapier...

Oh, it's only my good mate sissy guissy!

What justification/evidence would you like dear friend? What statements must I elaborate on? please do enlighten me, as I am starting to get a nervous twitch in my eye, just in case my evidential facts are not accepted by your "moth-eaten, dictatorial, marxist history department" that you work within.

Cut the shit, you fucking know as well as I do as to what problems I am referring to.

Well, you know... I'm sure we all remember your last attempt at some kind of statistic... When we extrapolated the figures you gave for the last couple of years of immigration we discovered that apparently the Poles have tripled the population of Britain... Where are they all hiding again?

I get Daily Mail headlines, but not Spectator articles...

Haha! cop-out numero 2 of the night.

Next!

(BTW, I sorted out your quoting issues.. )

So still no actual fact then?

Napoleon Ier wrote:Different Cultures? Fine, just don't interfere with mine


chacun chez soi et les vaches seront bien gardées

And your culture developed from where, again?

Guiscard wrote:
So still no actual fact then?

Sissy guissy, I know you like to "skit" through the post the posts without actually reading them, so I willask you again. What would you like me to justify and prove to you?

got tonkaed wrote:Well then problem is that even after a little extension, not even to the point of absurdity, its easy to understand that no culture is going to be able to stay in its own island. It is a product of a lot of differnet movements, which have far too many proponents to really be stopped in favor of some kind of isolated protectionst world.

Im not saying in any way theres a global conspiracy going, but a lot of people benefit from the world opening up, so its not going to close back down on its own. Part of that means all cultures are going to be under a bit of attack (using your mindset). Its up to each culture to find ways to keep itself from being lost.

People can economically benefited if skilled workers come here, then bugger off. Not if they settle, demand benefits family allocations social security etc, reproduce like rabbits and then burn our cars, veil our women, beat up whites etc, and literally seize control of entire departments of the national territory

Napoleon Ier wrote:People can economically benefited if skilled workers come here, then bugger off. Not if they settle, demand benefits family allocations social security etc, reproduce like rabbits and then burn our cars, veil our women, beat up whites etc, and literally seize control of entire departments of the national territory

Well these are some of the problems of living in a free society to some extent, you leave yourself powerless to a point against some of those things. Now i dont really believe every muslim is out to ruin your culture, like you may (to an extent) but this is necessarily a product of some of those great ideals that make up perhaps some of the best of the culture. If you really want an open society, then there are going to be some necessary negatives.

*OFF TOPIC COMMENT*

First time I have seen a thread have 3 different conversations at once. Carry on.

got tonkaed wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:People can economically benefited if skilled workers come here, then bugger off. Not if they settle, demand benefits family allocations social security etc, reproduce like rabbits and then burn our cars, veil our women, beat up whites etc, and literally seize control of entire departments of the national territory

Well these are some of the problems of living in a free society to some extent, you leave yourself powerless to a point against some of those things. Now i dont really believe every muslim is out to ruin your culture, like you may (to an extent) but this is necessarily a product of some of those great ideals that make up perhaps some of the best of the culture. If you really want an open society, then there are going to be some necessary negatives.

I want muslims the F*ck outta my country. In Britain some contribute economically, but frankly, in France...
Open society??
Im a liberal, dont get me wrong, but its like HE said "A Nation without borders is not a Nation"

Napoleon Ier wrote:

got tonkaed wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:People can economically benefited if skilled workers come here, then bugger off. Not if they settle, demand benefits family allocations social security etc, reproduce like rabbits and then burn our cars, veil our women, beat up whites etc, and literally seize control of entire departments of the national territory

Well these are some of the problems of living in a free society to some extent, you leave yourself powerless to a point against some of those things. Now i dont really believe every muslim is out to ruin your culture, like you may (to an extent) but this is necessarily a product of some of those great ideals that make up perhaps some of the best of the culture. If you really want an open society, then there are going to be some necessary negatives.

I want muslims the F*ck outta my country. In Britain some contribute economically, but frankly, in France...
Open society??
Im a liberal, dont get me wrong, but its like HE said "A Nation without borders is not a Nation"

yes, i see the irony - france once a cradle of christiany now is a muslim country. you aren't allowed to have crosses in classrooms yet muslim make a big fuss when their girls aren't allowed to wear their veils. it's hypocracy by me.