terrorist attack in france

[RD5]

That's unfathomable.
Rent-a-Car in Paris is 29 euros a day? Plus mileage, I assume?
Seems expensive.

[saxitoxin]

French interventionist policy destroyed the buffer that existed between it and the Salafist phenomenon. As a result, instead of this battle being fought in the desert, it will be fought in the streets of Paris. Saif warned Sarkozy what he had done in 2011: "you people have no idea what you have just unleashed." France's chickens are coming home to roost.

and so it goes -

French law enforcement officers have been told to erase their social media presence and to carry their weapons at all times because sleeper cells have been activated over the last 24 hours in the country ...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/10/europe/ch ... index.html

[DoomYoshi]

We have an obviously intelligent French lad saying basically, we don't need to get to the bottom of this. I would think in implementing an appropriate response and prevention, getting to the bottom of it may help.

But due to a rushed onslaught of perception, an unwarranted response will be developed or I should say, further implemented.

The population needs to get better at preparing a response in times of crisis, because governments are brilliant at it and taking excessive advantage of the fact.

An interesting article on the passage of the patriot act:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/terror-and ... 11/5400910

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Although a bit long, it's one of the best sentences in the history of the world.

[Phatscotty]

Sure they have. And now the ancestors of those killed are all like 'Hey, France is weak a fug. They will pay us to overpopulate! Let's bang their brains out!' Collectively/Governmentally, I'm not so sure France has the Gaul to stand up for itself. But then again, perhaps it's time for a Great Re-Awakening of Christianity in France. Don't count out the newest generation.

France isn t a christian country. It s a country of laicity. We don t accept proselitsm of any kind and we are dead firm about this. What happened isn t ever going to stop us from saying "yo mama" to them. The vast majority of french muslims understand this.
We will still draw mahomet if we feel like it, we will still negate the veil in public places including public schools, we will still consider islam with the same respect/parody as we do for any other religion. Just find anyone thinking that what was done was justified... This is a disgrace for the "normal" muslim community worldwide.

Thanks I've never heard that explained so clearly. NM about Christianity. I guess I meant yall will need 'something' like that, unless pure nationalism will suffice for a proper civilian defense/raging horde response if the shootings keep happening?

[GoranZ]

Something smells in the attack of Charliе Hebdo.

1. The attackers forgot their ID card in the car they used for the attack. The logical question to be asked is "Why would they need ID card when they are planning to commit a massacre?" maybe they got struck by instant desire to be good citizens.
2. Terrorist didn't had any means of how to enter the building unless someone opened the door(which indeed happen). The logical question to be asked is "What would they have been doing, masked and armed to the teeth, if no one didn't opened the door?"
3. The French president visited the scene of the crime rite after the attack. The logical question to be asked is "Terrorists are on the run, a massacre has been committed, the city is an emergency, no one knows where the terrorist are and french secret service is taking the President to the scene of the crime? Why such big mistake has been done and the life of the President is directly endangered?" Maybe French secret service wanted assassination attempt to the french president. But if that attempt was successful the attackers would have been glorified as saints.

German newspaper Hamburger Morgenpost was attacked last night, probably because it reposted the caricatures made by Charliе Hebdo. No casualties in this attack, only material damage.

Does someone from the west want to divert the public opinion away from the real problems in EU?

[dario2099]

Something smells in the attack of Charliе Hebdo.

1. The attackers forgot their ID card in the car they used for the attack. The logical question to be asked is "Why would they need ID card when they are planning to commit a massacre?" maybe they got struck by instant desire to be good citizens.
2. Terrorist didn't had any means of how to enter the building unless someone opened the door(which indeed happen). The logical question to be asked is "What would they have been doing, masked and armed to the teeth, if no one didn't opened the door?"
3. The French president visited the scene of the crime rite after the attack. The logical question to be asked is "Terrorists are on the run, a massacre has been committed, the city is an emergency, no one knows where the terrorist are and french secret service is taking the President to the scene of the crime? Why such big mistake has been done and the life of the President is directly endangered?" Maybe French secret service wanted assassination attempt to the french president. But if that attempt was successful the attackers would have been glorified as saints.

German newspaper Hamburger Morgenpost was attacked last night, probably because it reposted the caricatures made by Charliе Hebdo. No casualties in this attack, only material damage.

Does someone from the west want to divert the public opinion away from the real problems in EU?

1.Maybe they had planned to get out of the country imediatly thereafter and needed their IDs in order to do that?

2. and 3... yeah, sounds fishy.

[Dukasaur]

3. The French president visited the scene of the crime rite after the attack. The logical question to be asked is "Terrorists are on the run, a massacre has been committed, the city is an emergency, no one knows where the terrorist are and french secret service is taking the President to the scene of the crime? Why such big mistake has been done and the life of the President is directly endangered?" Maybe French secret service wanted assassination attempt to the french president. But if that attempt was successful the attackers would have been glorified as saints.

It's pretty important to show the enemy that one is not cowed by their attacks. This is good politics.

[GoranZ]

3. The French president visited the scene of the crime rite after the attack. The logical question to be asked is "Terrorists are on the run, a massacre has been committed, the city is an emergency, no one knows where the terrorist are and french secret service is taking the President to the scene of the crime? Why such big mistake has been done and the life of the President is directly endangered?" Maybe French secret service wanted assassination attempt to the french president. But if that attempt was successful the attackers would have been glorified as saints.

It's pretty important to show the enemy that one is not cowed by their attacks. This is good politics.

Hehehehe... This happen in September 1941, by that time it was obvious that the Germans have already given up from the Battle of Britain and they turned towards their other objectives in Soviet Union.
On top of everything it is still unknown if the British knew(threw braking of the German Enigma code) where the Germans would attack that day.

Back to the terrorist attacks in France
4. The third suspect Hamyd Mourad (18) was at school. How did the French police figure out that he was part of the attack is still a mystery.
5. According to the Turkish officials Hayat Boyumeddienne(Amedy Coulibali's girlfriend) arrived in Turkey on 2-nd of January and most-likely was already in Syria when the attacks occurred but the French officials are still looking her in France.

P.S. The policeman from the video is confirmed that has been killed, and he was Muslim.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f33_1420749460

[mrswdk]

During WWII the Queen also went to the East End of London and hung around ruins from the previous night's bombing raids. In that case it was to try and display solidarity.

[_sabotage_]

My Iraqi self (I'm 34 today)

Earliest life, Iraq at war with Iran, being encouraged and made deadlier by the US.
Earliest understanding, US supplied chemical weapons being used on my neighbours (and me, or my family?).
Pre-teen, US bombing the local utilities, oil wells on fire.
Teens, US embargo starving millions.
Early adult, US invading my country, with friends. Guns pointed at everyone I know from the air, in our living rooms, bombs from drones, our police dismantled while all the world's assholes converge on my community. Our countries resources sectioned off.
Recently, US weapons being used by ISIS to lead US aid through my town and disperse it as they see fit along with fat stacks of cash for the local ISIS boys.
Now, more arial bombing by US and talks of ground troops to follow.

How many sorrows felt in how many ways by how many people. And how many more to come?

[DoomYoshi]

And how many more to come?

5 more sorrows, 2 plungers and a really bad clogged toilet.

[_sabotage_]

If you took a dog to the dog whisperer and said:

I beat the crap out of it all the time and it still acts up.

He may say, try not beating the crap out of it.

But as a population, if our government keeps beating the crap out of it, we must assume they want it to act up.

Here's an article on US aid being sent to ISIS held areas:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... laims.html

I had a friend from Pishawar. As a kid, he looked up to the bus ticket kid because he had a uniformed post. What does it look like to a kid when ISIS rolls in with the only supplies the town gets?

It has long been a problem with supplying aid, the fact that the local militants it's being supplied because of then end up controlling its dispersement. So why the need for the bribes on top of the free food, medicine and weapons?

From a local Iraqi perspective, it may be hard to distinguish between the parties involved, and I guess from a certain perspective it may be hard to comprehend that what is happening: supplying a enemy to make him credible, is hat is meant to happen.

It is meant to attract members to their ranks and provide the resources to make them threats.

[Phatscotty]

Betiko, anyone else who might know, do either of the routes chosen for the million person march go through the Islamic parts or any of the 'no-go' zones in Paris?

[mrswdk]

What's all this nonsense about 'Islamic no go zones' in Western European cities? Some expat here said that to me recently as well.

[Phatscotty]

What's all this nonsense about 'Islamic no go zones' in Western European cities? Some expat here said that to me recently as well.

IDK, was just asking about France, with total willingness to be corrected if need be. And I didn't say Islamic neighborhoods were nogo zones, I asked about them separately. Are you saying there is no such thing as a ghetto area with high crime rates in Paris? I doubt it's a stretch, even in my country and my state and my city, diverse as it is, we have 'frog town' where it's mostly Asians and that's where their gangs turf lies mostly, hmong got it on lock and Korean's don't go there. I think we might have the largest Somali American community in America as well, Cedar-Riverside. While CRside is black majority, you won't find Prine or Kirby Puckett kickin it there, nor will you find many basketball courts but a ton of soccer fields. The Native Americans have their own couple of square blocks as well...



I'm not sure but I would bet a white person should consider that a nogo zone late at night/early in morning. And I know that attractive females should not go anywhere near dinkytown by the campus, as the sexual predators among society seem to be constantly drawn there to make victims like a moth to the light. The jet-set suit types are gonna catch shit in the artsy warehouse district. I also know from experience in certain neighborhoods way outside of the suburbs I'd be training in a black person, and one time a person called the cops, probably assuming he was a burglar or something. When I managed in NY, in the up-state area, people were giving me the dirtiest looks, I assumed because I was the one who dared to bring a black person into their Subway, which I am pretty sure I paid for with a super burnt so bad that the meat was crunchy steak n cheese sandwich. Not sure he would have gotten beat up or robbed, but those were some real ugly looks. Recently, just driving through what I know to be a nogo zone for me, North Minneapolis, I was approaching a stop light, some random black guy walked right up to my car and tried to open the door, acted like I was not even there. I'm sure that would have changed if he knew I had my brand new tazer I paid 180$ for primed to knock the fucker out. I was pretty fortunate that night that my awareness was such to know to have my doors locked, and also that I sparked my rod at him as he was walking back to the bus-stop bench, and that was the last time it worked (Yes I got it exchanged for a new one no hassle, damn Capitalism!). But that one spark I got out of it was worth it, as no doubt the other 15 guys mobbin the bench saw what could have been and hopefully told the dumbass would-be car-jacker about it, to remind them all that Minnesotan's have guns and tazers etc, and that in this state, a thief better make damn sure they are not messing with a person who has a 'don't tread on me' bumper sticker, and I'm sure they have realized by now the pickens are far easier violating people with 'coexist' bumper stickers

Those are not necc all no-go zones, but there are DEFINITELY certain neighborhoods, ESPECIALLY at certain times of the day, where I as a white person would not go, based solely on the reason that I have white skin, based on the experience of friends being jumped and having their coats, hats, and shoes stolen, or just for no reason other than racism. As well, just some examples of how races seem to divide themselves, and how the become a community unto themselves and live differently and even have police called to them at rates that are not exactly the same as every other completely different cultures and values community. Based on what I have heard and read, it sounds like humanity act similar in France. However it's a lot more likely in America for immigrants to see themselves as Americans and usually their first born American children are fully assimilated at least culturally with still a sense of being an American citizen. But that doesn't go for all, as we have immigrants from every country in the world. Seems like a significant amount of Hispanic immigrants and even Americans of Hispanic descent 2 and 3 generations deep have an affinity to take pride in their ancestors home country and even hate America, similar to what I understand to be the situation with many African Immigrants in Europe. But I'm not sure or not if they fly the Algerian flag in France the way Mexican flags are hung in America, or that France has the specific perspective of a situation where immigrants believe France is 'their people's'

[GoranZ]

This is turning into soap serie... The main Charlie Hebdo investigator turns up dead, he suicide.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/10/n ... d-suicided

I presume the next news will be that the killed suspects didn't committed the crime

P.S. Can we have foreigner leading the investigation now? British, German, something...

[betiko]

Paris is quite different. The city of Paris is really small, you aren t allowed to have over 5-6 storey buildings (there are just a few exceptions) and its perimeter is just 35km long more or less. There are just above 2 million inhabitants here.
There is no "no go" zone in paris, even if some districts are hotter than others. You have 2 "crowns" of suburbs after paris, basically with city/towns that all touch each other. It just really depends, some cities are more or less ok, some are full of high buildings and companies, some are residential from super posh to super poor.
The march in Paris was just in paris itself. The only quite dangerous places here are the project towns. You won t be in trouble because of the colour of your skin, but if you look like a cop or you look like you ve got some money on you come from a rival project. Basically those projects are their identity.. There s some white, black, arab there.


Regarding the cop: stop this bs conversation. I didn t know you guys were expert in ballistics (the type of bullet used is much more important than the weapon used). The guy is dead, you can see on the video he s dead. Just saw his funeral today with his family and neighbours crying his death, he was a muslim.

Regarding goran s question:

1) a friend cop of mine told me immediately after the id thing was revealed that this was most likely a cop bullshit to protect snitches. But maybe he did forget it.. After all, they had an accident and had to leave rocket launchers and all kind of material in the car including a sports bag to quickly go steal another car while escaping from the cops.
2) actually, i even heard that they went towards a wrong door first. Well as they hadn t done anything wrong yet, you know that waiting in the car for some other employee to enter the building is an option?
3) i think you got enough answers regarding this.

Anyway, i will not answer any other conspiracy theory bs.

Ps: sabotage, didn t know you were Iraki. While I understand much better your point of view, what do you think of saddam invading koweit? I ve heard some pretty nasty things done by the iraki army to koweiti. Couldn t we agree that your dictator started it?

[_sabotage_]

I've never condoned anything done by Saddam, for most of his career he was operating for the US. In fact, when Saddam was planning to attack Kuwait he told the US about it and took no feedback to be the go ahead. Little did he know, other plans were afoot.

I haven't tried to blame the police or cartoonists for being victims, but you immediately go that route with my Iraqi self. Somehow he is responsible for Saddam attacking Kuwait so it's all good in your books. Betiko's mind bubble: Sure that Iraqi self suffered, but when he was eleven his dictator attacked a neighbor, so, ya know, well he kind of deserved it.

So Victor Hugo was lying?

[betiko]

I've never condoned anything done by Saddam, for most of his career he was operating for the US. In fact, when Saddam was planning to attack Kuwait he told the US about it and took no feedback to be the go ahead. Little did he know, other plans were afoot.

I haven't tried to blame the police or cartoonists for being victims, but you immediately go that route with my Iraqi self. Somehow he is responsible for Saddam attacking Kuwait so it's all good in your books. Betiko's mind bubble: Sure that Iraqi self suffered, but when he was eleven his dictator attacked a neighbor, so, ya know, well he kind of deserved it.

So Victor Hugo was lying?

Given that we re the same age, i guess you can understand that as a french 11yo kid in an american school in india at the time, I probably had another version of the story. Stories about the mean Oudaï Hussein, I also remember watching the news where some koweiti kid was telling how some iraki soldiers came to their house and started removing his parent's eyes from their orbit with a spoon in front of him.
Given that you are always full of conspiracy theories, i will just say that you are probably right in from your spectrum in a few cases but that most of your explanations just sound like heavy extrapolations turned into facts. Irak starting to have this imperialistic view over its neighbours was just a big mistake, and if you got the UN and a coalition on 34 countries on your back, you did diserve a spanking.
i don t know what kind of relationship your family had with the regime, saddam probably managed to keep the country together as we see the chaos it s been ever since. While i have to admit saddam wasn t probably all that bad, would you agree to say he was some kind of piece of shit too?

[saxitoxin]

Given that we re the same age, i guess you can understand that as a french 11yo kid in an american school in india at the time, I probably had another version of the story. Stories about the mean Oudaï Hussein, I also remember watching the news where some koweiti kid was telling how some iraki soldiers came to their house and started removing his parent's eyes from their orbit with a spoon in front of him.

Most of the Saddam horror stories (babies pulled out of incubators, prisoners put into meat grinders, etc.) have been debunked and traced to APCO Worldwide and Hill & Knowlton, which were on retainers from the Supreme Ruler of Kuwait.

http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/15/opini ... -hill.html

They were easy stories to sell because people have been blasted, for the last 60 years (by you-know-who), with the idea that Arabs are marauding apes who value human life less.

[_sabotage_]

Betiko, I'm not Iraqi, I'm saying were I born there at the same time as I was born, that would have been my life.

Again, you seem to be blaming the average Iraqi for what happens to the average Kuwaiti. I don't seeing starving innocent children as a form of legitimate spanking.

You seem to be clueless as to the US's long standing relationship with Saddam and are blaming the shit they incurred on the average citizen. Sounds familiar: oh that's what terrorists do.

[GoranZ]

Betiko, I'm not Iraqi

You didn't had to sabotage him now

[Phatscotty]

so are the claims total bs, exaggerated, or just a little bit true. One more Q is it true that many French born of Muslims identify with the country their parents or grandparents emigrated from? And thanks for kickin your knowledge about the route

[mrswdk]

so are the claims total bs, exaggerated, or just a little bit true. One more Q is it true that many French born of Muslims identify with the country their parents or grandparents emigrated from?

Probably, but then aren't there plenty of white Americans who identify themselves as German-Irish or whatever?

[betiko]

so are the claims total bs, exaggerated, or just a little bit true. One more Q is it true that many French born of Muslims identify with the country their parents or grandparents emigrated from? And thanks for kickin your knowledge about the route

Great russian propaganda trying to get the FN in power here, russian banks are financing it. Funny thing is that they put a black anchor girl on that russian news channel now.
The only zone in paris they ve shown is Barbès, which is a poor area with lots of immigrants, but you would have no problem walking around there unless you look like a tourist who could lose some money weight. The rest are bad suburbs around Paris. Oh and we ve had these kind of markets for centuries, so they can keep those ignorant racist comments for themselves.