Conquer Club

strike wolf wrote:

strike wolf wrote:And do you really think in an 11 player game we are only dealing with 6 basic emotions? Because I can look at the first post where Squirrel mentions sloth and greed and tell you we're not.

Maybe because I am a role that will be intrinsically disbelieved and w
don't wish to claim because I'd rather not be lynched day 1. Maybe I'm a strong role who just doesn't want to become a bigger mafia target than I already am. maybe I just really dislike this idea in general. or maybe I feel like you've been role fishing since the day began and distrust your motives.

BTW: it is the last two.

Ebwop selected the wrong quote but I think it is obvious who I am replying to.

strike wolf wrote:

strike wolf wrote:And do you really think in an 11 player game we are only dealing with 6 basic emotions? Because I can look at the first post where Squirrel mentions sloth and greed and tell you we're not.

Maybe because I am a role that will be intrinsically disbelieved and w
don't wish to claim because I'd rather not be lynched day 1. Maybe I'm a strong role who just doesn't want to become a bigger mafia target than I already am. maybe I just really dislike this idea in general. or maybe I feel like you've been role fishing since the day began and distrust your motives.

BTW: it is the last two.

the last two what? days before deadline? then someone had better start claiming what emotion they are!

Last two reasons lol. To repeate myself from another game, you are intentionally misconciving the intent of his response.

VWell 5 days left of daylight. I'm gonna put my money where my mouth's been. votr Vodean for rolefishing

vodean wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

strike wolf wrote:And do you really think in an 11 player game we are only dealing with 6 basic emotions? Because I can look at the first post where Squirrel mentions sloth and greed and tell you we're not.

Maybe because I am a role that will be intrinsically disbelieved and w
don't wish to claim because I'd rather not be lynched day 1. Maybe I'm a strong role who just doesn't want to become a bigger mafia target than I already am. maybe I just really dislike this idea in general. or maybe I feel like you've been role fishing since the day began and distrust your motives.

BTW: it is the last two.

the last two what? days before deadline? then someone had better start claiming what emotion they are!

Uh oh, you sound like you're rolefishing still

Vote vodean

strike wolf wrote:VWell 5 days left of daylight. I'm gonna put my money where my mouth's been. votr Vodean for rolefishing

unvote vote vodean since I forgot the unvote.

I think that officially puts vodean at L-2. (he had been at three before my initial vote but campin was already voting for him according to the count).

Campin_Killer wrote:

vodean wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

strike wolf wrote:And do you really think in an 11 player game we are only dealing with 6 basic emotions? Because I can look at the first post where Squirrel mentions sloth and greed and tell you we're not.

Maybe because I am a role that will be intrinsically disbelieved and w
don't wish to claim because I'd rather not be lynched day 1. Maybe I'm a strong role who just doesn't want to become a bigger mafia target than I already am. maybe I just really dislike this idea in general. or maybe I feel like you've been role fishing since the day began and distrust your motives.

BTW: it is the last two.

the last two what? days before deadline? then someone had better start claiming what emotion they are!

Uh oh, you sound like you're rolefishing still

Vote vodean

really dude? really?
ok. Strike's vote i understand. but you, you just jump on it as soon as a vote is cast! vote Campin.

strike, so you are ok with people wanting a mass-claim (including me... it will pressure the scum, and we might get a slip, but will not reveal what roles we have), but you aren't ok with me trying to get people to claim their emotion? NOTE: not roles, but merely emotion. we cant go claiming roles. just our emotion! i just want someone to start claiming! if no one has claimed by the time i next log in, i will put my money where my mouth is too and claim first.

vodean wrote:

Campin_Killer wrote:

vodean wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

strike wolf wrote:And do you really think in an 11 player game we are only dealing with 6 basic emotions? Because I can look at the first post where Squirrel mentions sloth and greed and tell you we're not.

Maybe because I am a role that will be intrinsically disbelieved and w
don't wish to claim because I'd rather not be lynched day 1. Maybe I'm a strong role who just doesn't want to become a bigger mafia target than I already am. maybe I just really dislike this idea in general. or maybe I feel like you've been role fishing since the day began and distrust your motives.

BTW: it is the last two.

the last two what? days before deadline? then someone had better start claiming what emotion they are!

Uh oh, you sound like you're rolefishing still

Vote vodean

really dude? really?
ok. Strike's vote i understand. but you, you just jump on it as soon as a vote is cast! vote Campin.

strike, so you are ok with people wanting a mass-claim (including me... it will pressure the scum, and we might get a slip, but will not reveal what roles we have), but you aren't ok with me trying to get people to claim their emotion? NOTE: not roles, but merely emotion. we cant go claiming roles. just our emotion! i just want someone to start claiming! if no one has claimed by the time i next log in, i will put my money where my mouth is too and claim first.

Are you referring to my joke from before the game started? because I thought that was clearly a joke. If you haven't seen my behavior in general I am against a mass claim, name or otherwise.

Emotions can lead to roles though...for the wise. Im not entirely certain on a mass claim, I am also not comfortable being first (I feel like no one wants to go first though)...I also think its kinda against the spirit of mafia.
Id vote those pushing this (vodean) but you are at L-2 already it appears.

lord voldemort wrote:Emotions can lead to roles though...for the wise. Im not entirely certain on a mass claim, I am also not comfortable being first (I feel like no one wants to go first though)...I also think its kinda against the spirit of mafia.
Id vote those pushing this (vodean) but you are at L-2 already it appears.

arent there only 2 serious votes on me?
strike, im not sure what you mean.

but ill go ahead and name-claim. cuz there is pressure on me.

I am curiosity.

vodean wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:Emotions can lead to roles though...for the wise. Im not entirely certain on a mass claim, I am also not comfortable being first (I feel like no one wants to go first though)...I also think its kinda against the spirit of mafia.
Id vote those pushing this (vodean) but you are at L-2 already it appears.

arent there only 2 serious votes on me?
strike, im not sure what you mean.

but ill go ahead and name-claim. cuz there is pressure on me.

I am curiosity.

And who do you think should claim next?

I still want to hear vodean's full claim. And I'm still against everyone name claiming.

strike wolf wrote:I still want to hear vodean's full claim. And I'm still against everyone name claiming.

seconded on both accounts.

strike wolf wrote:I still want to hear vodean's full claim. And I'm still against everyone name claiming.

than what other solution do you suggest, this is turning into a yes/no debate without moving any further.

if you don't agree with vodeans solution, give an alternative. otherwise, work with him.

zimmah wrote:

strike wolf wrote:I still want to hear vodean's full claim. And I'm still against everyone name claiming.

than what other solution do you suggest, this is turning into a yes/no debate without moving any further.

if you don't agree with vodeans solution, give an alternative. otherwise, work with him.

Do we have to go over this? Mass claims don't work. Two things.

A. The mod has no fakes and a MC is begun. The mod scrambles, and then the fakes are provided

B. There are fakes. Now the scum know every SINGLE FUCKING TOWN POWER ROLE. And the town has nothing to gain from it.

You say, "But wait! we are only claiming names?!"

Then I say Compassion. Compassion is the doc, 10 to 1. Interest/Curiosity is the cop. Love if it's out there could be a killer to have revealed.

i.e. The idea is dumb, scummy as all get out, and an all around bad idea. FoS Zimmah.

i never said they do work, i also never said i agree with vodean, however, don't just complain. give an alternative.

because this way, all we do is kill time, and give mafia a free night. and what will we do tomorrow?

Vote Count

vodean (4) - campin, DiM, jak111, strike wolf
strike wolf (1) - safariguy
edocsil (2) - PCM, zimmah
zimmah (1) - Lovo
campin (1) - /, vodean

With 11 alive, 6 to lynch. Saturday night

/ wrote:But why not ask the mod himself?
MR. S Did any players receive fake claims written by you?

I cannot respond to speculation on the game's setup.

Vodean's mass name claim is the alternative. The normal route is scum hunting. secondly if someone presents a horrible idea you don't follow it just because there's no alternative.

zimmah wrote:otherwise, work with him.

You obviously agreed, and are now trying to distance yourself from the situation.

edocsil wrote:

zimmah wrote:otherwise, work with him.

You obviously agreed, and are now trying to distance yourself from the situation.

no, i don't agree, and never did. you're blatantly misinterpreting what i said.

i just say that endless yes and no discussion is fruitless and gives scum an easy opportunity to hide behind small talk or even completely hide in the shadows and get a free ticket to the next night.

just like the whole walky-talky situation in too many items.

if you want to hunt scum, than hunt scum, and make sure everyone keeps actively posting useful information and/or opinions, otherwise, the only resort is to put pressure on the entire group to make something happen, however bad it may be.

I quickly checked for activity, and it seems like everyone is at least participating more or less, but PCM has been silent since the jokevote stage. so i'd like to hear his opinion.

Blatantly misinterpreting is my line! Besides it doesn't apply in this situation.

Here are your last posts.

zimmah wrote:But if they claim last, we can just lynch the last x number of players until we win.

zimmah wrote:There were 11 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

9: Lord Voldymort
4: edocsil
3: /
8: DiM
5: safariguy
11: PCM
1: Strike Wolf
10: Vodean
7: campin_killer
6: zimmah
2: jak111
Timestamp: 2012-07-30 13:23:05 UTC

So voldymort starts, than picks who he wants to claim second, etc?

zimmah wrote:And who do you think should claim next?

zimmah wrote:than what other solution do you suggest, this is turning into a yes/no debate without moving any further.

if you don't agree with vodeans solution, give an alternative. otherwise, work with him.

Can you really argue that you were not pressing for a mass claim? I suppose you have said. "It's time for a Mass Claim!" But you have sure been advocating and setting up the framework for a mass claim.

We are what? 5 pages in of content? 6? If I was a vig, I would already know who I would peg tonight Sadly I am not. Plenty of cases, plenty of discussion, and lots of fun. And no cause for a mass claim of any sort.

edocsil wrote:Blatantly misinterpreting is my line! Besides it doesn't apply in this situation.

Here are your last posts.

zimmah wrote:But if they claim last, we can just lynch the last x number of players until we win.

zimmah wrote:There were 11 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

9: Lord Voldymort
4: edocsil
3: /
8: DiM
5: safariguy
11: PCM
1: Strike Wolf
10: Vodean
7: campin_killer
6: zimmah
2: jak111
Timestamp: 2012-07-30 13:23:05 UTC

So voldymort starts, than picks who he wants to claim second, etc?

zimmah wrote:And who do you think should claim next?

zimmah wrote:than what other solution do you suggest, this is turning into a yes/no debate without moving any further.

if you don't agree with vodeans solution, give an alternative. otherwise, work with him.

Can you really argue that you were not pressing for a mass claim? I suppose you have said. "It's time for a Mass Claim!" But you have sure been advocating and setting up the framework for a mass claim.

We are what? 5 pages in of content? 6? If I was a vig, I would already know who I would peg tonight Sadly I am not. Plenty of cases, plenty of discussion, and lots of fun. And no cause for a mass claim of any sort.

hold on, vodean is the one who called for a massclaim, not me. i was just giving my support, not because i agree it's a good idea, but because i feared this would become yet another endless yes and no discussion between 3 or 4 players while the rest of the playerbase just waits until night while town deceives themselves. and now you blaim me for it?

the hell is wrong with you?

don't try to put words and actions into my mouth, as my intentions are not what you try to make believe.

zimmah wrote:Hold on, vodean is the one who called for a massclaim, not me. i was just giving my support, not because i agree it's a good idea, but because i feared this would become yet another endless yes and no discussion between 3 or 4 players while the rest of the playerbase just waits until night while town deceives themselves. and now you blaim me for it?

the hell is wrong with you?

don't try to put words and actions into my mouth, as my intentions are not what you try to make believe.

Heh. Look where my FOS is and who I am asking to claim. I blame vodean for the idea, and you for following along. Your intention is to advocate and support a mass claim on page 9 of Day 1. Yes I blame you for it. You are not its architect, but you are a driving force behind the idea.

So you claim to sit here and advocate an idea that you think is a bad idea? There is absolutely nothing wrong with me, I am pointing out inconsistencies in your arguments, inconsistencies that a a key tell of scum.

Unvote Vote Zimmah

My old vote was a joke, and while I still support a full claim and an analysis there of from Vodean, I personally suspect that we will not have the inclination to hang him and will move on to Zimmah.

zimmah wrote:I quickly checked for activity, and it seems like everyone is at least participating more or less, but PCM has been silent since the jokevote stage. so i'd like to hear his opinion.

Sorry, still trying to regain my mafia bearings after a hectic week.

I think that vodean could be rolefishing. It certainly warrants an investigation if he lasts through today (which he might not). The fact that you are behind him in this endeavor does you no favors.

More objectively, I doubt vodean's idea would even work. Someone already mentioned the potential for fakes. And considering the myriad of emotions that exist anyway, there'd be no shortage of doubt in claims.