United States of Apocalypse [Quenched]

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:43 pm

---Damn free thought.

--Andy

spiesr · Post by **spiesr** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:14 pm

I suggest changes Minnesota to Mosquitoes.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:16 pm

Or perhpas "Viks" or some variant of vikings. Really this is a mute point.

--Andy

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:27 pm

I think I've got about the right mix of fake/real names right now: If I tip the balance too much further, we'll start lose some of the advantage of using familiar territory.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:54 pm

Quenching

The Final Forge period has concluded for the United States of Apocalypse Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready for live play (barring any Lack vetoes).

Conquer Club, enjoy!

–Andy

Haydena · Post by **Haydena** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:26 am

I wonder how many three player games we are going to have with one player starting with all the radioactive sites and gaining 9 on the first turn... Hehe, I'd like to watch those games :twisted:

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:33 am

On average, one out of every 243 three-player games will start that way.

But I suspect that about two-thirds of the time, someone will take away at least one of those countries before the lucky player gets to even take one turn.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:32 am

does that mean lack can put this up. I want to play it more than any toher map.

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:20 am

I think he was just a bit busy yesterday, between being out of town and then saving the world^H^H^H^H^Hsite and all. Hopefully he'll put it up today.

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:18 pm

you really need to explain the final version and how it works somewhere please?!

mrdexter · Post by **mrdexter** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:22 pm

It's all their on the map. Basically continent bonuses work as per normal maps. Radiation countries have negative effect or bonuses depending on how many you have as per the map.

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:51 pm

Yeah, I thought the legends were clear enough. What else is there to explain?

ChaunceyMo · Post by **ChaunceyMo** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:18 pm

How about what a radiation nexus bonus is?

2006-06-26 22:19:16 - <player> receives -2 armies for holding irradiated territory
2006-06-26 22:19:16 - <player> receives 1 armies for holding a radiation nexus

No mention of a radiation nexus on the map itself or in the legend. This was first turn, so it seems like he just got a free army for no good reason. Might be good to include an explanation of this somewhere.

/Mo

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:27 pm

A radiation nexus is just two or more irradiated countries. The player received -2 armies and +1 army, for a total of -1 armies.

kibblesmania · Post by **kibblesmania** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:15 pm

Jota wrote:On average, one out of every 243 three-player games will start that way.

But I suspect that about two-thirds of the time, someone will take away at least one of those countries before the lucky player gets to even take one turn.

where did u learn math? i got 1 out of 729
-solution- 3^6 (3 to the power of 6) i think u only did it for 5 counties but there is 6
3^5=243
3^6=729
sorry to all u people close to that 243rd game

niMic · Post by **niMic** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:12 am

Jota wrote:A radiation nexus is just two or more irradiated countries. The player received -2 armies and +1 army, for a total of -1 armies.

I don't get it O.o

In a 3-player game that just started, we all started with two of those irridated territories.

2006-06-29 14:03:52 - niMic receives -2 armies for holding irradiated territory
2006-06-29 14:03:52 - niMic receives 1 armies for holding a radiation nexus
2006-06-29 14:03:52 - niMic receives 5 armies for 15 territories

2006-06-29 14:04:31 - Gilligan receives -3 armies for holding irradiated territory
2006-06-29 14:04:31 - Gilligan receives 3 armies for holding a radiation nexus
2006-06-29 14:04:31 - Gilligan receives 5 armies for 15 territories

I don't get it.

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:35 am

You didn't post a link to the game, but from the log segments you posted, it looks to me like Gilligan started with three of them, not two.

niMic · Post by **niMic** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:37 am

Jota wrote:You didn't post a link to the game, but from the log segments you posted, it looks to me like Gilligan started with three of them, not two.

It's game 39030 http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=39030#gmtop

I see now that you're right, he started with three. I still don't understand how it's calculated though.

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:54 am

Exactly the way Sylas described in this thread.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:34 pm

Man, if this seems clear in the legend at the point we can think "no, no one can ask this, its pretty obvious", why are you thinking fresh people will not go for those icons in the dungeon map? Nothing is obvious to some people, jota.

zorba_ca · Post by **zorba_ca** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:29 am

Jota wrote:Exactly the way Sylas described in this thread.

To Jota: I don't think Sylas has it right. I think my explanation may be better.

To Everyone else: Jota programmed it in a certain way so that it works with the xml language. The important point is that it doesn't matter HOW it's all calculated so long as you end up with the number of armies the little caution sign legend says you will get.

Jota · Post by **Jota** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:11 am

Marvaddin wrote:Nothing is obvious to some people, jota.

That doesn't mean we need to cater to those "some people", though. There eventually comes a point when you just have to admit that it's their problem, not yours.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:18 am

True, but how many people like this we have here? I think the non-crossable borders in Brazil map are pretty obvious. But I put in the legend... and people still ask "what are those thicker borders?" :lol:

But of course, with the info in the legend, no problem... But noobs would go for icons, Im sure. :lol:

Ticma · Post by **Ticma** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:34 am

Are Sanders i Mispi connected? Army deployment circle for Graceland is on Sanders or border is wrong?

Edit: I looked little harder and saw border goes on west again under circle, so not connected.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:01 pm

If you look at the larger version of the map, it is clearly defined. Sanders does not border Mispi. Graceland is in between.

--Andy