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Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:35 am
by Baron Von PWN
Phatscotty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uWTecKNyg8
Knife Robbery Ends In A Bloodbath Gun Save Lives
Ok
Not a gunman. Man who shot him was actually stabbed several times, had the guy with a knife actually been a gunman the shop keep would be dead.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:37 am
by natty dread
Neoteny wrote:It's not a proper THORNHEART story without pimpdave telling it. The spirit of the meme is there, which is really all that counts.
Let's start a debate about this.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:42 pm
by Woodruff
natty_dread wrote:It's not a proper THORNHEART story without pinpoint accuracy
Indeed.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:01 pm
by Phatscotty
Baron Von PWN wrote:Phatscotty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uWTecKNyg8
Knife Robbery Ends In A Bloodbath Gun Save Lives
Ok
Not a gunman. Man who shot him was actually stabbed several times, had the guy with a knife actually been a gunman the shop keep would be dead.
We can expand it to "how do you stop crazed people who mean to harm you with any kind of weapon including a gun"
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:28 pm
by Metsfanmax
Phatscotty wrote:We can expand it to "how do you stop crazed people who mean to harm you with any kind of weapon including a gun"
That's where it was logically going. Naturally the only correct answer to the question, "how do you stop a crazed man trying to harm you with a ballpoint pen," is "shoot him in the face."
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:46 pm
by Phatscotty
nah. Risk it. I'm sure the guy with the pen will miss. You wouldn't want the attacker harmed would you?
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:19 pm
by Metsfanmax
Phatscotty wrote:nah. Risk it. I'm sure the guy with the pen will miss. You wouldn't want the attacker harmed would you?
I want him dead, really. Everyone who intends harm to another person deserves to die, right then and there. Forget trial by jury and due process.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:57 pm
by Phatscotty
The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent defense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better defense
gun = best defense
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:02 pm
by Lootifer
Or...
Phatscotty wrote:karate lessons = decent offense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better offense
gun = best offense
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:05 pm
by rockfist
In the most expeditious way possible that has a reasonable probability of sucess. And for the purposes of defining reasonable - if you are in an enclosed area and can't get away, yes you rush him...hopefully as a group from muliple sides.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:34 pm
by Phatscotty
Lootifer wrote:Or...
Phatscotty wrote:
The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent offense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better offense
gun = best offense
So the victim is the attacker?
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:22 pm
by Lootifer
Did I say that?
Did I even mention victims?
Back on track: The person attacking another person deserves the right to arm themselves?
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:04 pm
by Phatscotty
Lootifer wrote:Did I say that?
Did I even mention victims?
Back on track: The person attacking another person deserves the right to arm themselves?
no. I was talking about a victim, and you changed the victims defense to offense, defacto turning the victim into the attacker.
Yes, you did that.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:32 pm
by Lootifer
Oooooh we're being petty, sorry mate, my mistake.
In that case you mis-quoted me. I left out your first sentance on purpose (removing any indication that I was talking about the victim).
I didn't change the victims anything, I changed the function of the items.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:19 pm
by Phatscotty
Lootifer wrote:Oooooh we're being petty, sorry mate, my mistake.
In that case you mis-quoted me. I left out your first sentance on purpose (removing any indication that I was talking about the victim).
I didn't change the victims anything, I changed the function of the items.
Well, I'm gonna have to get even more petty on ya!
You can't take out my first sentence which lays out the subject, and then only quote the related statistics and make a different point off that.
I mean, you can, but then you would be just as low as some of the other posters around here.
just curious though, since you are here. How is a crazed gunman stopped?
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:28 pm
by Ray Rider
A couple pages back someone was asking about when an armed civilian had ended a massacre. Another example of that was in 2002 at the Appalachia Law School shooting, where two students heard shots, ran to their vehicles, grabbed firearms, approached the gunman from two directions, forced him to drop his weapon, and then tackled him. However it was very revealing to note
"that out of 280 separate news stories (from a computerized Nexis-Lexis search) in the week after the event,
just four stories mentioned that the students who stopped the attack had guns." Bias, much?
Oh, and here's a few random stories of DGUs (defensive gun uses) from earlier this year:
Store clerk shoots robberHomeowner shoots intruder armed with knifePizza deliveryman defends against three in ambushOn another side note, our Canadian Conservative government is scrapping our gun registry (a billion-dollar
boondoggle) later this fall. It's great!
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:32 pm
by Lootifer
Phatscotty wrote:Well, I'm gonna have to get even more petty on ya!
You can't take out my first sentence which lays out the subject, and then only quote the related statistics and make a different point off that.
I mean, you can, but then you would be just as low as some of the other posters around here.
just curious though, since you are here. How is a crazed gunman stopped?
Ideally?
I've already posted my thoughts on the matter.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:37 pm
by Phatscotty
Lootifer wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Well, I'm gonna have to get even more petty on ya!
You can't take out my first sentence which lays out the subject, and then only quote the related statistics and make a different point off that.
I mean, you can, but then you would be just as low as some of the other posters around here.
just curious though, since you are here. How is a crazed gunman stopped?
Ideally?
I've already posted my thoughts on the matter.
I remember you calling me a troll and an idiot, but I must have missed your thoughts on the matter. I will look again.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:38 pm
by Lootifer
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:01 am
by PLAYER57832
Phatscotty wrote:The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent defense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better defense
gun = best defense
oooh.. but bombs are just so much more
efficient!
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:11 am
by Woodruff
Phatscotty wrote:Lootifer wrote:Or...
Phatscotty wrote:
The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent offense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better offense
gun = best offense
So the victim is the attacker?
He didn't say that at all. He was simply pointing out the opposite side of the coin.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:38 pm
by Phatscotty
PLAYER57832 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent defense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better defense
gun = best defense
oooh.. but bombs are just so much more
efficient!
If someone tries to bomb me, I will just nuke them first cuz I am a State Fair Quickdraw champion.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:44 pm
by Woodruff
Phatscotty wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent defense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better defense
gun = best defense
oooh.. but bombs are just so much more
efficient!
If someone tries to bomb me, I will just nuke them first cuz I am a State Fair Quickdraw champion.
"State Fair Quickdraw Champion" has precisely zero to do with any real-world scenario regarding firearms. But I'm sure you're impressed with yourself.
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:03 pm
by Lootifer
Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:The person being attacked deserves a right to defend themselves.
karate lessons = decent defense
nunchackas n ninja stars = better defense
gun = best defense
oooh.. but bombs are just so much more
efficient!
If someone tries to bomb me, I will just nuke them first cuz I am a State Fair Quickdraw champion.
"State Fair Quickdraw Champion" has precisely zero to do with any real-world scenario regarding firearms. But I'm sure you're impressed with yourself.
Really?!
Re: How Do You Stop a Crazed Gunman?
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:44 pm
by Phatscotty
Gotta loves Mom's! convo I just had
Mom: "8p.m.? Isn't that kind of a bad neighborhood at night?"
Me: "Yeah, but don't worry, there are 4 times as many people going this time than in 2008, and there will be a lot of people carrying guns."
Mom: "Oh, okay. Drive safe and wear your seat belt too!"