Obama College Records Sealed (NOT IMPORTANT)

[PLAYER57832]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false? I mean, come on... what are you trying to hide? We don't even know what college you attended, or IF you attended college. LIkely it was a terrorist training camp! (and don't try to hide behind the fact that you aren't running for office. That could change at any time. After all, its like dominoes falling... one hits another and before long we live in a fully communist state, simply because we allowed ONE communist to exist!)

[PLAYER57832]

OH, yes and the more you protest its "not true" phattscotty, the more we know you are just lying......

[BigBallinStalin]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false? I mean, come on... what are you trying to hide? We don't even know what college you attended, or IF you attended college. LIkely it was a terrorist training camp! (and don't try to hide behind the fact that you aren't running for office. That could change at any time. After all, its like dominoes falling... one hits another and before long we live in a fully communist state, simply because we allowed ONE communist to exist!)

Get real. Your example is far from similar. Those accusations are harder to answer then simply showing people your grades in college and your thesis.

Try again.

[Woodruff]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

yeah but, do you really believe that if you have no evidence (or none is available).....you can never ever talk about that subject? and if you do, you are "making up lies"?

There's a tremendous difference between "just making shit up to make it sound bad" and discussing the subject in a reasonable way.

I agree with you that the records are sealed because there's something there he'd rather not be public knowledge. I agree with you that they shouldn't be sealed. But I think it's incredibly silly to presume it's as bad of a "something" as you are trying to make it out to be.

[Woodruff]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false? I mean, come on... what are you trying to hide? We don't even know what college you attended, or IF you attended college. LIkely it was a terrorist training camp! (and don't try to hide behind the fact that you aren't running for office. That could change at any time. After all, its like dominoes falling... one hits another and before long we live in a fully communist state, simply because we allowed ONE communist to exist!)

I would dearly love to one day run for public office. But I fear my Conquer Club activity would come back to haunt me!

[Phatscotty]

Okay okay. So, today, Obama said "Look at my example of how staying in school has paid off".

Mr President, I have been trying! All I or anyone else can see, is what elite schools you went to.

Since his school records are sealed, is it fair to assess his statement as "just get into an elite school and you will do good in life"? If not, what did he mean, and how do I look at his example?

[BigBallinStalin]

Maybe what he meant to say was "keep a clear record, don't vote for anything, so you can become this moldable clay when you're lined up for the presidential election. Then you say the right things, and your skin will speak for itself, so you'll definitely get the votes! Now that we the Democrats are in power with a talking largely unknown head (me, *fake laughs*, we can do what we want at your expense. Trust us and the bureacracy to take your money and inefficiently use it." *cheesy smile*

Great plan, guys! And way to keep things rolling!

[Phatscotty]

I am 95% sure that his record is sealed for one reason.

It can be used against him.

[PLAYER57832]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false? I mean, come on... what are you trying to hide? We don't even know what college you attended, or IF you attended college. LIkely it was a terrorist training camp! (and don't try to hide behind the fact that you aren't running for office. That could change at any time. After all, its like dominoes falling... one hits another and before long we live in a fully communist state, simply because we allowed ONE communist to exist!)

Get real. Your example is far from similar. Those accusations are harder to answer then simply showing people your grades in college and your thesis.

Try again.

Yes, we know.. that's exactly what a Communist sympathizer WOULD say.

[PLAYER57832]

I am 95% sure that his record is sealed for one reason.

It can be used against him.

Evidence? Or is this just another of your mindless, baseless accusations that you wish to pretend has some reality?

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes, we know.. that's exactly what a Communist sympathizer WOULD say.

Right. I see what you did there, and it still doesn't address what I'm talking about.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false?

Yeah, by showing one's credentials... Not that difficult.

1) It would end speculation, wouldn't it? (And that's the big question: would it?)

2) So why doesn't he answer it with evidence by showing his college grades and thesis?

[PLAYER57832]

Yes, we know.. that's exactly what a Communist sympathizer WOULD say.

Right. I see what you did there, and it still doesn't address what I'm talking about.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false?

Yeah, by showing one's credentials... Not that difficult.

1) It would end speculation, wouldn't it? (And that's the big question: would it?)

2) So why doesn't he answer it with evidence by showing his college grades and thesis?

Claiming that the only reason someone would fail to release normally private information or ANY personnal information, is because they are "hiding something" is among the primary arguments of EVERY oppressive group in history.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes, we know.. that's exactly what a Communist sympathizer WOULD say.

Right. I see what you did there, and it still doesn't address what I'm talking about.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false?

Yeah, by showing one's credentials... Not that difficult.

1) It would end speculation, wouldn't it? (And that's the big question: would it?)

2) So why doesn't he answer it with evidence by showing his college grades and thesis?

Claiming that the only reason someone would fail to release normally private information or ANY personnal information, is because they are "hiding something" is among the primary arguments of EVERY oppressive group in history.

Look, that still has nothing to do with my questions. And your point isn't exactly true. It's arguable that not every oppressive group in history does that, and it still avoids the point of why it's important to ask someone for certain private information. In this case, it's important and not just "oppressive."

So, would you mind answering my questions?

OR do you want to stop participating in this discussion?

[PLAYER57832]

Yes, we know.. that's exactly what a Communist sympathizer WOULD say.

Right. I see what you did there, and it still doesn't address what I'm talking about.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false?

Yeah, by showing one's credentials... Not that difficult.

1) It would end speculation, wouldn't it? (And that's the big question: would it?)

2) So why doesn't he answer it with evidence by showing his college grades and thesis?

Claiming that the only reason someone would fail to release normally private information or ANY personnal information, is because they are "hiding something" is among the primary arguments of EVERY oppressive group in history.

Look, that still has nothing to do with my questions. And your point isn't exactly true. It's arguable that not every oppressive group in history does that, and it still avoids the point of why it's important to ask someone for certain private information. In this case, it's important and not just "oppressive."

So, would you mind answering my questions?

OR do you want to stop participating in this discussion?

There IS no reason why anyone should see Obama's records. They are utterly irrelevant to the presidency. He could have gotten all F's and it would not matter. He did not, as is obvious because he got into law school, etc.

As to why.. because it is pretty hard to conceive of a way it would benefit anybody. It won't silence anyone, it won't offer anything real, but will give people even more fodder for this exact type of "debate". The quotes are becuase claims that "if you don't tell us [fill in whatever you wish], then you are obviously guilty or hiding something" is not a debate it is a violation of one of the primary principles upon which this nation was founded. It was so important it was even put in the first few amendments.

[PLAYER57832]

Okay okay. So, today, Obama said "Look at my example of how staying in school has paid off".

Mr President, I have been trying! All I or anyone else can see, is what elite schools you went to.

Since his school records are sealed, is it fair to assess his statement as "just get into an elite school and you will do good in life"? If not, what did he mean, and how do I look at his example?

Oh please. The schools he went to are known. I cannot be bothered to dig up the information, but they are known. His grades, the specific classes he took... are not and you have no reason to need to see them.

The ONLY reason you are demanding he has to show them is becuase you, and those like you hope there is some smidgeon of something you can twist into more stupid, irrelevant criticism.

Typical McCarthy tactics. But then, the right wing has long since surpassed even those harmful depths long since.

[Phatscotty]

okay okay. Something BBS said for the purpose of humor makes more sense than anything I can think of about how to look at Obamas record or why it is sealed.

I understand these things should have been discussed before the election. However, there is another election coming up.

Maybe your argument should be it's just to soon to see Obama's credentials and qualifications...

[PLAYER57832]

okay okay. Something BBS said for the purpose of humor makes more sense than anything I can think of about how to look at Obamas record or why it is sealed.

I understand these things should have been discussed before the election. However, there is another election coming up.

Maybe your argument should be it's just to soon to see Obama's credentials and qualifications...

I have lived in the world enough to know that a degree one earned 20-30 years ago seldom gives a true picture of one's current qualifications. When one has worked in the field of study, as Obama did, the work record is what matters, not college grades.

I realize college is still a bit too close for you to gain that perspective, but truly, in the real world, college grades don't matter all that much.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes, we know.. that's exactly what a Communist sympathizer WOULD say.

Right. I see what you did there, and it still doesn't address what I'm talking about.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false?

Yeah, by showing one's credentials... Not that difficult.

1) It would end speculation, wouldn't it? (And that's the big question: would it?)

2) So why doesn't he answer it with evidence by showing his college grades and thesis?

Claiming that the only reason someone would fail to release normally private information or ANY personnal information, is because they are "hiding something" is among the primary arguments of EVERY oppressive group in history.

Look, that still has nothing to do with my questions. And your point isn't exactly true. It's arguable that not every oppressive group in history does that, and it still avoids the point of why it's important to ask someone for certain private information. In this case, it's important and not just "oppressive."

So, would you mind answering my questions?

OR do you want to stop participating in this discussion?

There IS no reason why anyone should see Obama's records. They are utterly irrelevant to the presidency. He could have gotten all F's and it would not matter. He did not, as is obvious because he got into law school, etc.

As to why.. because it is pretty hard to conceive of a way it would benefit anybody. It won't silence anyone, it won't offer anything real, but will give people even more fodder for this exact type of "debate". The quotes are becuase claims that "if you don't tell us [fill in whatever you wish], then you are obviously guilty or hiding something" is not a debate it is a violation of one of the primary principles upon which this nation was founded. It was so important it was even put in the first few amendments.

Sure, it's relevant to the presidency, but that's not the point of this discussion, and his college grades are not something of particular interest to me.

Regarding the underlined: Wow, you've reached the same conclusion that I did a LONG time ago in this thread: his thesis will give people more fodder to be used against him. You see? It wasn't that hard to agree! Therefore, he IS hiding something. What's he hiding? Information that can be used against him. So, [1] do you agree with the fact that he is hiding something?

Which leads me to this question: [2] On what legal grounds can he deny the American public access to his thesis, with the intention of preventing the citizens of this country to be able to talk more in depth about his thesis? Surely, as long as people don't engage in illegal activities by use of his thesis (like slander), then surely there's nothing illegal in regards to talking about it.

Yes, you mentioned something about "the first few amendments," so please explain because that's very vague.

[Woodruff]

Which leads me to this question: [2] On what legal grounds can he deny the American public access to his thesis, with the intention of preventing the citizens of this country to be able to talk more in depth about his thesis?

Perhaps he could just declare them to be classified as state secrets. He seems to like that idea.

[BigBallinStalin]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false? I mean, come on... what are you trying to hide? We don't even know what college you attended, or IF you attended college. LIkely it was a terrorist training camp! (and don't try to hide behind the fact that you aren't running for office. That could change at any time. After all, its like dominoes falling... one hits another and before long we live in a fully communist state, simply because we allowed ONE communist to exist!)

I would dearly love to one day run for public office. But I fear my Conquer Club activity would come back to haunt me!

At least the information from CC is accessible to the public, and from this information people can make a more informed opinion about who you are. And that means a lot. There's much to be said about you (good and bad) judging from your posts.

Now, as president, if you were to tell the Conquerclub business that they had to hide/delete all your posts, so that no one could read what you've written, then that's suspicious, is it not?

By deleting that information, aren't you hiding something?

[Woodruff]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

Yes, well, since you cannot PROVE you don't have communistic thoughts and no doubt have acquaintances who are communist (You previously admitted actually working with illegal immigrants! ... that has to just be the tip of the iceberg.. probably are secretly transporting Illegal aliens across the border).

Well... just mere speculation, you understand, but can you prove it false? I mean, come on... what are you trying to hide? We don't even know what college you attended, or IF you attended college. LIkely it was a terrorist training camp! (and don't try to hide behind the fact that you aren't running for office. That could change at any time. After all, its like dominoes falling... one hits another and before long we live in a fully communist state, simply because we allowed ONE communist to exist!)

I would dearly love to one day run for public office. But I fear my Conquer Club activity would come back to haunt me!

At least the information from CC is accessible to the public, and from this information people can make a more informed opinion about who you are.

Yes, you see now...that's the problem!

Now, as president, if you were to tell the Conquerclub business that they had to hide/delete all your posts, so that no one could read what you've written, then that's suspicious, is it not?

By deleting that information, aren't you hiding something?

I long ago stated in this thread that there was obviously something in his college record that he preferred to keep hidden.

[BigBallinStalin]

Which leads me to this question: [2] On what legal grounds can he deny the American public access to his thesis, with the intention of preventing the citizens of this country to be able to talk more in depth about his thesis?

Perhaps he could just declare them to be classified as state secrets. He seems to like that idea.

Which to me is very messed up. How much of the president's actions can be covered up by declaring them to be "state secrets?"

You could use that to get away with a lot of things, couldn't you? Didn't Nixon attempt to invoke those rights in order to cover up those past allegations?

Even if Nixon hadn't, such an insult to the American people in the form of such privledge does have it's obvious and selfish benefits. Now, I'm not saying Obama is in any way like Nixon. I'm just pointing out that in regards to this situation he has beahved very poorly and seems to use such debase methods in the attempt to deny people with information that can legally be used and talked about by the public.

[BigBallinStalin]

Well, Woodruff, seeing that you agree to the fact that he is hiding something, and that he's using shady methods in order to hide it (well, perhaps shady is too strong a word, but regardless...), in light of this newly found mutual understanding, let me ask you one question:

Because of this, what do you think of Obama?

[Phatscotty]

I think he flunked out, maybe twice...

[Woodruff]

Which leads me to this question: [2] On what legal grounds can he deny the American public access to his thesis, with the intention of preventing the citizens of this country to be able to talk more in depth about his thesis?

Perhaps he could just declare them to be classified as state secrets. He seems to like that idea.

Which to me is very messed up. How much of the president's actions can be covered up by declaring them to be "state secrets?"

You do realize that I was simply taking a shot at him for his reversal regarding transparency in government, right?

Because it almost seems like you thought I was serious.