Conquer Club

Many types of groups can feel it is ok to kill others, even atheists (eg some types of Social Darwinism after cousin of Charles, survival of the fittest in social setting).

Some religious people claimed blacks were inferior due to supposed curse, some atheists claimed monkey->black man->white man. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc, lots of different sorts of leaders credited with killing millions of their own people. (Strangely enough there were even jewish terrorists Lehi who tried to work with Hitler and killed british, now considered heros in isreal)

I have a few neighbours who are muslim, and people who buy sheep from me who are muslim, they aren't into killing, some of them fled afganistan because of the taliban.

Anyway, let's go focus on the dude who tackled the terrorist. He was dutch. This proves that all dutch people are courageous, humble and awesome.

2dimes wrote:I tried to talk to my brother inlaw when we came back from Egypt once. I was explaining how beautifull the call to prayer was five times a day. I know that Egypt is pretty moderate so it's not a completely unbiased example but my point here was he went Woodruff on me. He pretty much began to panic and started telling me something along the lines of, "But the guy was a monster, he raped young girls."

Uh...what? You seem to have seriously mis-interpreted my statements.

2dimes wrote:[

To be honest here I just came back in and got lost in this thread trying to find my post because it doesn't seem to be part of what ever's going on. I can't seem to find the point wading through the first 4+ pages. It's like a bad dream where suddenly I showed up out of no where without being able to be part of what it used to be.

Billy do you want to wipe out the muslems in a region, send them packing, take away their phones and such or what?

You seem a little stuck in a rut but I am curious about your views on regular dudes practicing Islam.

I tried to talk to my brother inlaw when we came back from Egypt once. I was explaining how beautifull the call to prayer was five times a day. I know that Egypt is pretty moderate so it's not a completely unbiased example but my point here was he went Woodruff on me. He pretty much began to panic and started telling me something along the lines of, "But the guy was a monster, he raped young girls."

I know what you're saying about the koran but most muslems leave reading it to the Imam guy and are just family dudes that like to hit the rug to pray. Do they cause concern too because they might turn on you or just the extremists?

2dimes, you came into this by implying that i wasn't right in saying the quran is vague and i should've said it was just plain vindictive, which of course it is. you have since backtracked, and if you think muslims don't heed the quran, well.

i have said what i think the solution is and it neither involves moving muslims from anywhere or killing any muslims. i hope that answers your question.

Snorri1234 wrote:Anyway, let's go focus on the dude who tackled the terrorist. He was dutch. This proves that all dutch people are courageous, humble and awesome.

Dutch people=awesome

Bacon=awesome

Dutch people=bacon

Bacon=meat

Meat=homonym of meet.


So, Dutch people are also a homonym of meet?

Snorri1234 wrote:Anyway, let's go focus on the dude who tackled the terrorist. He was dutch. This proves that all dutch people are courageous, humble and awesome.

nederlanders zijn een opgevocht mens. geen humor en veel te veel flickerjes zoals jij!

billy07 wrote:2dimes, you came into this by implying that i wasn't right in saying the quran is vague and i should've said it was just plain vindictive, which of course it is. you have since backtracked, and if you think muslims don't heed the quran, well.

i have said what i think the solution is and it neither involves moving muslims from anywhere or killing any muslims. i hope that answers your question.

I'm not back tracking. You said it was vague, you admit now that it isn't. I think we agree that even though by volume there's more nice parts, the places it calls for the death of every infidel should not be brushed over like they don't exist.

Fair enough somewhere in here you stated a solution and I supose if I want to know then I should go and find it.

Woodruff wrote:

2dimes wrote:You're concerned that I'm going to sully the reputation of a book by cherry picking a complete sentance. Why don't you do that for us with the bible. I double dog dare you. Go on, find any complete sentance that tells a christian to kill everyone that won't convert, because as you say they are just like each other.

If the Bible is so direct, clear, lacking in vagueness and unimaginably unable to be taken out of context, then how is it that it keeps getting taken out of context and there are so many arguments over it's meaning, I wonder?

Same way the other book is supposed to contain a message of perfect love. I allready accused you of not having read them but yeah, that's pretty mysterious.

Typically it's out of fear, check out this unsourced quote. The guy here was actually with Yeshua when he was being arrested.

And behold, one of those who were with Jesus reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear.
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.
"Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

So here's a guy that's been hanging out with him for months. He's watched things like, feeding thousands of people with a few loaves and fish, making blind people see and serious physical problems dissapear. Dude is about to get arrested like he's been talking about for weeks and his pal whips out a sword. He says, "Put it away man, or don't you think God can handle this?" At that point the guy's got to be thinking, "Huh? You said they're going to kill you. Don't you want to make a break for it? Let's go teach in those temples back in the towns where they liked you."







I must admit I missed a word in this bit.

It's wonderfull that you can tell the youth the truth about the bible instead of teaching them to read it for themselves. Then they can have the same advantage as you. It's bad to show people actual unsourced quotes from a book instead of just telling them third hand fallsities that claim they are the same thing.

The word is "here" it should be right after "youth" and without it the statment looks like I meant you're at school teaching antibible class. Therefore I ruined the context and this was fair.

Woodruff wrote:I can "Tell the youth the truth about the Bible"? You do realize that I teach in a public school, right? You do realize that it would be against the law for me to teach any student about any religion, right? You do realize that by using my statement about the Bible to say that it's frightening that I'm teaching children that you're making yourself look like an unrepentant, illogical, irrational, paranoid, raving, Bible-waving lunatic, right?

I'm actually a "repentant, illogical, irrational, paranoid, raving, Bible-waving lunatic."

My concern is you remind me of the teachers that taught me spelling. I thought you might be teaching people english, history or reading comprehension. Hopefully you teach cooking or something. By the way I realize that littering, speeding and taking explosives on airplanes is "against the law." I'm glad that never happens. Thanks for clearing up how the world works for me.

So how's it going finding the call to kill you? It would be just as easy as showing you that the bible wants christians to love everyone wouldn't it?

This is a really silly pissing contest, the truth is that the hugely overiding reason for following a particular religion is simple circumstance. If you are born in a predominantly Christian area, with practising Christians amongst your friends and family , then the chances are you will stay with that faith rather than choose another, same goes for all the other major religions.

2dimes wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

2dimes wrote:You're concerned that I'm going to sully the reputation of a book by cherry picking a complete sentance. Why don't you do that for us with the bible. I double dog dare you. Go on, find any complete sentance that tells a christian to kill everyone that won't convert, because as you say they are just like each other.

If the Bible is so direct, clear, lacking in vagueness and unimaginably unable to be taken out of context, then how is it that it keeps getting taken out of context and there are so many arguments over it's meaning, I wonder?

Same way the other book is supposed to contain a message of perfect love.

I've never said the Quran contains a message of perfect love any more than the Christian Bible does, so perhaps you could stop with the strawman argument and actually discuss things rationally.

2dimes wrote:I allready accused you of not having read them but yeah, that's pretty mysterious.

It IS mysterious that you would accuse me of such a thing, given that you have absolutely no basis on which to make that declaration. But your supposition is entirely your mistake in that regard. Your ignorance is your problem, not mine.

2dimes wrote:Typically it's out of fear, check out this unsourced quote.

Typically WHAT is out of fear? You've gone from accusing me of not having read either book to stating that something is out of fear. Are you saying I haven't read them out of fear? On the contrary, I find religion to be a fascinating subject and I read as much as I can on it.

2dimes wrote:

Woodruff wrote:I can "Tell the youth the truth about the Bible"? You do realize that I teach in a public school, right? You do realize that it would be against the law for me to teach any student about any religion, right? You do realize that by using my statement about the Bible to say that it's frightening that I'm teaching children that you're making yourself look like an unrepentant, illogical, irrational, paranoid, raving, Bible-waving lunatic, right?

I'm actually a "repentant, illogical, irrational, paranoid, raving, Bible-waving lunatic."

No, you're definitely unrepentant about being illogical, irrational and paranoid.

2dimes wrote:My concern is you remind me of the teachers that taught me spelling.

Your supposition is entirely your mistake in that regard. Your ignorance is your problem, not mine.

2dimes wrote:I thought you might be teaching people english, history or reading comprehension. Hopefully you teach cooking or something. By the way I realize that littering, speeding and taking explosives on airplanes is "against the law." I'm glad that never happens. Thanks for clearing up how the world works for me.

I do not litter nor taken explosives on airplanes either. I have sped in my youth, but haven't intentionally done so since I left my teens. But apparently, all you have are strawman arguments attempting to pin my actions based on what other people in the world do. How utterly dishonest of you.

2dimes wrote:So how's it going finding the call to kill you?

What on earth are you talking about? Do you speak English?

2dimes wrote:It would be just as easy as showing you that the bible wants christians to love everyone wouldn't it?

You never answered my question...If the Bible is so direct, clear, lacking in vagueness and unimaginably unable to be taken out of context, then how is it that it keeps getting taken out of context and there are so many arguments over it's meaning, I wonder? Why is that?

Is there some reason you're cherry picking my sentances?

2dimes wrote:Is there some reason you're cherry picking my sentances?

I'm not cherry-picking anything. However, feel free to point out where you believe I have distorted anything you've said by removing part of the context. Go ahead...you can start now.

Otherwise, I suppose you'll just use THIS particular strawman to run and hide from the discussion - well done, I guess your work here is finished!

Woodruff wrote:

2dimes wrote:Typically it's out of fear

Typically WHAT is out of fear?

2dimes wrote:This.

you wrote:how is it that it keeps getting taken out of context and there are so many arguments over it's meaning, I wonder?

You've gone from accusing me of not having read either book to stating that something is out of fear.

2dimes wrote:I was answering the specific question you removed from the quote.

Are you saying I haven't read them out of fear?

2dimes wrote:I did not suggest a reason. My position was just that you are not farmiliar with what they actually say, rather you believe what someone has told you they say. At the time I thought that must have been because you didn't read them. I'm starting to believe you might have just not comprehended them. Is that your claim? There's several translations, if you got confused reading one that's not worded like you speak, like "The King James" or "The 2dimes blue letter edition." try a different one. There's a ton online here's a link. http://www.biblegateway.com You can even word search to quickly dispell any myths I espouse here or put a source to my new american standard bible quotes.

Woodruff wrote:What on earth are you talking about? Do you speak English?

Not well, my attention span is painfully short.

I was lamenting the fact you continue to ignore my challenge. You're showing poor form too, as you are making statements that look like you're defending yourself from my accusation that your concept of the message of "the christian bible" is wrong, proving you have not read it and think it contains things that it does not. Also it was a "double dog dare."

Woodruff wrote:You never answered my question...If the Bible is so direct, clear, lacking in vagueness and unimaginably unable to be taken out of context, then how is it that it keeps getting taken out of context and there are so many arguments over it's meaning, I wonder? Why is that?

That was the answer. Typically people choose some form of violence over what they are actually told by the bible to do out of fear. I even gave a nice example of one guy that was told first hand making such a choice, even while the guy that came up with the idea was standing beside him. He didn't have to read it a couple of thousand years later in another language niether he or I spoke like I do.

comic boy wrote:This is a really silly pissing contest, the truth is that the hugely overiding reason for following a particular religion is simple circumstance. If you are born in a predominantly Christian area, with practising Christians amongst your friends and family , then the chances are you will stay with that faith rather than choose another, same goes for all the other major religions.

I bet you I can flip coins better than you can

billy07 wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:Anyway, let's go focus on the dude who tackled the terrorist. He was dutch. This proves that all dutch people are courageous, humble and awesome.

nederlanders zijn een opgevocht mens. geen humor en veel te veel flickerjes zoals jij!

Your dutch is amazing.

This one shouldn't have been lost in the crowd.

Army of GOD wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:Anyway, let's go focus on the dude who tackled the terrorist. He was dutch. This proves that all dutch people are courageous, humble and awesome.

Dutch people=awesome

Bacon=awesome

Dutch people=bacon

Bacon=meat

Meat=homonym of meet.


So, Dutch people are also a homonym of meet?

comic boy wrote:This is a really silly pissing contest, the truth is that the hugely overiding reason for following a particular religion is simple circumstance. If you are born in a predominantly Christian area, with practising Christians amongst your friends and family , then the chances are you will stay with that faith rather than choose another, same goes for all the other major religions.

QFT. The religion you "choose" is not really a free choice in most cases, but when people are fed this rubbish from birth what can you expect?

outside of an english court today extremist muslims stood defiantly waving banners of 'ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD FREEDOM CAN GO TO HELL' , after being found guilty of abusing british soldiers during a homecoming parade. the extremists received a paltry £500 fine each.

have we become too liberal. scared to speak up incase we're labelled racist? one example of our liberal stupidity http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html

even some americans are viewing our liberalism as a security threat.

billy07 wrote:outside of an english court today extremist muslims stood defiantly waving banners of 'ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD FREEDOM CAN GO TO HELL' , after being found guilty of abusing british soldiers during a homecoming parade. the extremists received a paltry £500 fine each.

have we become too liberal. scared to speak up incase we're labelled racist? one example of our liberal stupidity http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html

even some americans are viewing our liberalism as a security threat.

and you can't own guns, right?

Phatscotty wrote:

billy07 wrote:outside of an english court today extremist muslims stood defiantly waving banners of 'ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD FREEDOM CAN GO TO HELL' , after being found guilty of abusing british soldiers during a homecoming parade. the extremists received a paltry £500 fine each.

have we become too liberal. scared to speak up incase we're labelled racist? one example of our liberal stupidity http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html

even some americans are viewing our liberalism as a security threat.

and you can't own guns, right?

gun laws are one thing we're not liberal about!

Phatscotty wrote:

billy07 wrote:outside of an english court today extremist muslims stood defiantly waving banners of 'ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD FREEDOM CAN GO TO HELL' , after being found guilty of abusing british soldiers during a homecoming parade. the extremists received a paltry £500 fine each.

have we become too liberal. scared to speak up incase we're labelled racist? one example of our liberal stupidity http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html

even some americans are viewing our liberalism as a security threat.

and you can't own guns, right?

Yes you can.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/n ... 454804.stm

"The failed Detroit airliner bomb attack on Christmas Day awakened the world to the threat from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), a group that until then was hardly a household name..."

"two of AQAP's founders, Said al-Shihri and Mohammed al-Awfi, were both former Guantanamo detainees."

multilis wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8454804.stm

"The failed Detroit airliner bomb attack on Christmas Day awakened the world to the threat from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), a group that until then was hardly a household name..."

"two of AQAP's founders, Said al-Shihri and Mohammed al-Awfi, were both former Guantanamo detainees."

Yeah, Al-Qaeda is totally trademarked and you will be sued if you use the name without Osama Bin Ladin's explicit permission, and being "detained" at Gitmo will totally make you really supportive of the USA.

billy07 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

billy07 wrote:outside of an english court today extremist muslims stood defiantly waving banners of 'ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD FREEDOM CAN GO TO HELL' , after being found guilty of abusing british soldiers during a homecoming parade. the extremists received a paltry £500 fine each.

have we become too liberal. scared to speak up incase we're labelled racist? one example of our liberal stupidity http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html

even some americans are viewing our liberalism as a security threat.

and you can't own guns, right?

gun laws are one thing we're not liberal about!

Thankfully.