Dice again

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:44 pm

play long enough and it evens out

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:03 pm

Rocketry wrote:
oggiss wrote:I am really tired of having this shit dice. This is the last time I pay for premium membership that's for sure.

It isn't fun to play when you meet 4 vs 3 and losses 2 both attacks like 10 times in a row. And never win 3 vs 3, that happens like once every 20th game or something.

SCREW THIS GAME!

man - the dice are random - how else could i slaughter 21 men with 6?

Rocketry

You are either drunk or stupoid as hell, how the f*ck can a random dice give 21 vs 6 victory?

STUD24 · Post by **STUD24** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:12 pm

Everyone what if this is like one of those horror mvies where we all laugh at oggiss now thinking he's a complete loser for complaining then it turns out, He's right and a massive little dead green man comes and murders us all with red and white dice and if he got really really mad he uses a black one and people fly everywhere with more dice and then when everyone's dead they all turn to 7's. OMG you have to believe him before the world ends and vegaterian hippies with shovels start eating meat with more meat and meat sauce.

Now don't get me started on the randomness of cards!!!!

Begbie · Post by **Begbie** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:50 pm

oggiss wrote:If this dice isn't bugged then I am fucking gay.

Suggest you get used to taking it up the chocolate highway....

cfactory · Post by **cfactory** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:44 pm

Way too streaky to be random. Maybe the math works out, but too much "VERY hot", then "VERY cold" to be random.

It really takes the fun out of the game. I would rather have "non-random" dice that are closer to a mathematical average than lose or win because I am getting a 6-1 advantage or disadvantage over my opponent.

Sorry, but your claims of "Proven Random" doesn't make the games I lose because of a 6-1 loss ratio any more enjoyable.

Keep burying your head in the sand, but you have a problem.

JimRocky · Post by **JimRocky** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:18 am

OP seems like a whiny little, runny nosed, kid.

It is a bit annoying when you lose even though you had an advantage.
I once lost 16 armies taking out only 3.
But that's just luck. I also once took out 11 armies losing only 1 of mine.
Just random luck again.

Most people don't remember the good luck they have with the dice but focus solely on the bad luck turns they encounter.

djak. · Post by **djak.** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:02 am

See the dice analyzer at http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8801 to see if it's not just a confirmation bias.

I'll always remember when I lost 10 while my opponent lost 0 in an autoattack. I can't remember all the times I've had really great dice tho.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:58 am

The OP is a noob.

And even in a RL game of risk I've taken out 30 losing only 15, and lost over ten to as little as 2.

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:06 am

When is it time to win a 3 vs 3?

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:58 pm

HAHAHA, this is pathetic... the dice gets worse by every game.

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:43 am

this morning started with loosing 6 straight... and then 2 in another game... ridiculous.

billy07 · Post by **billy07** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:29 am

well if your going to rely so much on the dice to win 3 v 3`s your bound to lose. Find a more strategic game where the dice ar`nt so prominent. i never have good dice(and i mean never) and even thought someone had rigged my dice at one stage during a 19 game lose streak, but i`m sure loads of players have went through the same thing.

Hrvat · Post by **Hrvat** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:32 am

oggiss wrote:When is it time to win a 3 vs 3?

Why are you trying to win 3vs3 ??? :roll:

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:04 am

oggiss wrote:
Rocketry wrote:
oggiss wrote:I am really tired of having this shit dice. This is the last time I pay for premium membership that's for sure.

It isn't fun to play when you meet 4 vs 3 and losses 2 both attacks like 10 times in a row. And never win 3 vs 3, that happens like once every 20th game or something.

SCREW THIS GAME!

man - the dice are random - how else could i slaughter 21 men with 6?

Rocketry

You are either drunk or stupoid as hell, how the f*ck can a random dice give 21 vs 6 victory?

BECAUSE IT'S RANDOM! If you flip a coin 10 times and you get heads 9 times, it's not that the coin is weighed or something, it's just fucking pure randomness.
It's simple mathematics, not very complicated.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:09 am

cfactory wrote:Way too streaky to be random. Maybe the math works out, but too much "VERY hot", then "VERY cold" to be random.

It really takes the fun out of the game. I would rather have "non-random" dice that are closer to a mathematical average than lose or win because I am getting a 6-1 advantage or disadvantage over my opponent.

Sorry, but your claims of "Proven Random" doesn't make the games I lose because of a 6-1 loss ratio any more enjoyable.

Keep burying your head in the sand, but you have a problem.

1.) You have absolutely no idea what random means.
2.) I have had quite a few games where the dices weren't really for or against me. Lots of 3vs2 equal losses where you lose 1 and the opponent does.
3.) We don't have a problem, because we accept the randomness as part of the game! I don't go to football matches complaining about how stupid hitting the ball with your foot is and how they're losing good players because not everybody likes to hit the ball with his foot. We like this game with all the randomness! Can't you get that in your thick head?

Itrade · Post by **Itrade** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:01 am

Haha! I have 256 armies after a series of chain kills in an escalating world 2.1 game, and my opponent only has about 60 armies, so what I have is a 190 army overkill, so I don't care how many I lose, and when I attack a 22 army country the result is... 252 armies!

But when I'm in a no cards AoM game and I have to take Pirate's Cove, I've got 15 armies, I attack the port with 2 armies, and I lose 12 armies.

I love this site. :lol:

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:19 am

Snorri1234 wrote:
oggiss wrote:
Rocketry wrote:
oggiss wrote:I am really tired of having this shit dice. This is the last time I pay for premium membership that's for sure.

It isn't fun to play when you meet 4 vs 3 and losses 2 both attacks like 10 times in a row. And never win 3 vs 3, that happens like once every 20th game or something.

SCREW THIS GAME!

man - the dice are random - how else could i slaughter 21 men with 6?

Rocketry

You are either drunk or stupoid as hell, how the f*ck can a random dice give 21 vs 6 victory?

BECAUSE IT'S RANDOM! If you flip a coin 10 times and you get heads 9 times, it's not that the coin is weighed or something, it's just fucking pure randomness.
It's simple mathematics, not very complicated.

SO if this happens 1000 times is it random then?

and btw, WHY THE HELL CAN'T YOU WIN 3 VS 3, IT'S FRIGGIN IMPOSSIBLE. Anyone done it?

Itrade · Post by **Itrade** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:37 am

Results for 3 attacking armies versus 3 defending armies (attacker stops at 1 armies):
Probability of attacker winning: 20.6%

From RiskOdds

xeno · Post by **xeno** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:05 am

the dice are fucking leet!!

wacicha · Post by **wacicha** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:58 am

I love the dice.

Rule 1 never hit 3 v 3

rule 2 never lose more men then you can afford to lose (stay off of autoattack button)

Rule 3 watch your language or this will get moved to flame wars and then you can flame the dice and each other all you want.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:06 pm

oggiss wrote:
SO if this happens 1000 times is it random then?

Yes.
If it happened 1000 times in a row there could be something wrong with the system, but I seriously doubt that is the case.

and btw, WHY THE HELL CAN'T YOU WIN 3 VS 3, IT'S FRIGGIN IMPOSSIBLE. Anyone done it?

Because you shouldn't try it! The odss of winning 3vs3 are very bad.

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:29 pm

Well they are obviously better than winning? ^^

oggiss · Post by **oggiss** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:07 am

This dice tend to get worse by every day... -_-

Vish · Post by **Vish** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:25 am

Dice are random, and if they aren't, then they aren't for everyone. My suggestion, don't attack something you don't have about twice the units of and don't press the attack button when you have less than 4 units.

Moosegun · Post by **Moosegun** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:33 am

I get the feeling I am going to have to keep this simple.

Firstly 3 vrs 3 is not an even battle, you only have 2 attacking dice and the defender gets 2 defensive dice. Due to the fact that in the case of a draw the defender wins the chances of a 3 vrs 3 win is limited, this is why NO player that is vaguely good attacks with such odds.

The fact that you cannot understand this makes your arguement and opinion on the randomness of the dice as being pretty worthless. If you fight even odds (unless you are talking a large number of troops) the odds are always with the defending team.

The problem is not the randomness of the dice, it is that people only remember the bad luck, rarely the good.

Dice again

You think this game sucks?

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There is nothing random about these dice!

Confirmation bias.

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