Fix the dice please

[Vyk]

I'm a very competitive person. I think when it comes to strategy games that the better player should prevail most of the time.

That being said, I find in the nearing 100 games I've played here (as I've only recently become a premium member) that the dice are seriously flawed.

I find it more and more common that the dice are just completely un-realistic in this game...

Pick up two dice in your hand and roll them one-hundred times. Out of those one-hundred times, how often could you possibly roll double six? Five times in a row? You'll see it frequently here.

In a recent game I played, I attacked an army of three with an army of twenty, needing to get past the army of three to break a bonus. I clicked auto attack with a smirk on my face knowing that I had out played my opponant and that the game was over. I couldn't understand. How could it now be my two armies vs three still? You're telling me the "random dice" rolled double six on defence, nine times in a row...

The odds of that happening are very very very slim...

The chance of rolling a “6â€

[The1exile]

Did they really always roll a double six?

It's possible for example that you rolled two 2s and a 1, and the defender rolled a 2 and a 3.

But anyway, shit happens. And if it's to you, then I mostly don't worry about it.

[Vyk]

I wasn't clear, yes on the log, the computer rolled dbl 6, nine times, but this is only one example.

Please don't say "Well that's the game deal with it" or something equally as ignorant. I heard an arguement that the top players seem to get around the dice problem... well... no they don't, they just do nothing but play teams and do the same thing over and over again. Like the player who does nothing but play AoR:M Stan Seq None Fog of War Unlim.

[dosmaster]

I must agree with the poster - I've seen it may times as well, and always in 5 or 6 in a row - just when you think you've won.

Doesn't matter if I use auto attack or not.

[The1exile]

Please don't say "Well that's the game deal with it" or something equally as ignorant

Then please don't say"the dice are not random" or something equally as ignorant without getting the dice analyser to back up your argument with stats.

[Vyk]

What do you think this post is intended for? To call someone out? No. To point out a flaw, and ask for it to be reviewed. I'm not sure what you mean by a "dice analyser" either. I don't think anything in my post was ignorant or came across to piss anyone off, it's pretty self explanitory. If you took something wrong or personally, that is your fault. I can break it down easy for you.

I said I don't want any ignorant "Deal with it" remarks. These remarks acomplish nothing and are just that. My post was straightforward and educated. I'm looking for a straight forward and educated answer to the question, because this seems to be a problem.

[owenshooter]

Then please don't say"the dice are not random" or something equally as ignorant without getting the dice analyser to back up your argument with stats.

thank you, well put. shocker, yet another thread on the non-randomness of the dice. here, go get the dice analyzer: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5655

good luck-0

[jaseleo]

Again why tell someone to get the dice analyser when everyones stats are the same 16% on everything your rolls are decided before you roll them.

[flexmaster33]

Anytime you play a game with dice...luck with be involved to some point...but you can control how often you attack and how you play when the dice don't seem to be in your favor...prolong the game and the luck usually turns.

[Hrvat]

What do you think this post is intended for? To call someone out? No. To point out a flaw, and ask for it to be reviewed. I'm not sure what you mean by a "dice analyser" either. I don't think anything in my post was ignorant or came across to piss anyone off, it's pretty self explanitory. If you took something wrong or personally, that is your fault. I can break it down easy for you.

I said I don't want any ignorant "Deal with it" remarks. These remarks acomplish nothing and are just that. My post was straightforward and educated. I'm looking for a straight forward and educated answer to the question, because this seems to be a problem.

Oh well, here we go again...
We all have good runs with dice, we all have bad runs with dice.
Dice are random. It dose not mean you will win 2 rolls and loose 2 rolls, as sample is far to small.

"The dice analyzer" keeps record of all of your rolls and your opponents rolls, so you can see results...

Once you look at over 5000 dice throws, overall, 6's will come up in 16% of your total rolls, 5's will come up 16% of your total rolls, 4's will come up in 16 of your total rolls... etc.. I has been proven. Get yourself "The dice analyzer" play another 100 games and you will see that all numbers come up about 16%...

OBTW. Risk is a strategy game but is is also a game of luck, not only we need good luck with dice, but we also need a decent drop in the beginning of the game. Sometimes we receive a good drop sometimes a very poor one...

[comic boy]

I wasn't clear, yes on the log, the computer rolled dbl 6, nine times, but this is only one example.

Please don't say "Well that's the game deal with it" or something equally as ignorant. I heard an arguement that the top players seem to get around the dice problem... well... no they don't, they just do nothing but play teams and do the same thing over and over again. Like the player who does nothing but play AoR:M Stan Seq None Fog of War Unlim.

Now you are being ignorant !
Many of the top players including the present Conqueror play singles regularly, in my case 70% of my games are 6 player standard. Why dont you actually check before printing complete nonsense, dice average out over time and only poor players constantly harp on about them.

[Heimdall]

www.random.org

Where the dice come from...

Ya better complain about the atmospheric noise being bias against you.

[Iliad]

Okay
1) Why do people complain about this? If the defender's dice are so good they will be good for you too. Not only do you only remember the bad parts you cannot see your defender's dice.

2) As you have stated you have played 100 games. Nowhere near enough. Get a dice analyser and come back after about 10,000 rolls

3) Yes this is random. The chances of that happening is small but there is a lot of dice being thrown and if you have complaints just go to random.org

[jimboston]

OK... I don't know hogood Lack's Random Number Generator is for the dice... but I'm willing to be that it's better than what a normal person could calculate or randomly generate.

It's a fact that some RNG's are better... i.e. more random... than others.

That said... this is a all a case of human perception... PERIOD.

Your brain remembers the times the dice fall against you more readily then the times the dice fall in yoru favor. Acknowledge this failing of the human brain, and move on.
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Sorry I posted this without reading that others already pointed out the invalidity of this 'bad dice' claim.

[Rocketry]

I agree, the dice are completely unrealistic. Dice only have six sides, and there is onlt one side with a six on, so its impossible to roll a double six, espcially nine times....

Now go here
http://www.random.org/
And relieve yourself of this superstitious cancer. The dice are random, i promise you. I know this becuase i person in canada who chose 'lackatack' as a screen name told me. Remember the dice are out of your control. If they seem different to real dice, remember that they are different for everyone. Hope that helps.

Rocketry

[sully800]

[quote="Vyk"]I'm a very competitive person. I think when it comes to strategy games that the better player should prevail most of the time.

That being said, I find in the nearing 100 games I've played here (as I've only recently become a premium member) that the dice are seriously flawed.

I find it more and more common that the dice are just completely un-realistic in this game...

Pick up two dice in your hand and roll them one-hundred times. Out of those one-hundred times, how often could you possibly roll double six? Five times in a row? You'll see it frequently here.

In a recent game I played, I attacked an army of three with an army of twenty, needing to get past the army of three to break a bonus. I clicked auto attack with a smirk on my face knowing that I had out played my opponant and that the game was over. I couldn't understand. How could it now be my two armies vs three still? You're telling me the "random dice" rolled double six on defence, nine times in a row...

The odds of that happening are very very very slim...

The chance of rolling a “6â€

[0ojakeo0]

hey if you use up the bad dice i get good dice.

[TheKize91]

[quote="Vyk"]I'm a very competitive person. I think when it comes to strategy games that the better player should prevail most of the time.

That being said, I find in the nearing 100 games I've played here (as I've only recently become a premium member) that the dice are seriously flawed.

I find it more and more common that the dice are just completely un-realistic in this game...

Pick up two dice in your hand and roll them one-hundred times. Out of those one-hundred times, how often could you possibly roll double six? Five times in a row? You'll see it frequently here.

In a recent game I played, I attacked an army of three with an army of twenty, needing to get past the army of three to break a bonus. I clicked auto attack with a smirk on my face knowing that I had out played my opponant and that the game was over. I couldn't understand. How could it now be my two armies vs three still? You're telling me the "random dice" rolled double six on defence, nine times in a row...

The odds of that happening are very very very slim...

The chance of rolling a “6â€

[Vyk]

10 million to 1... the lotto is only 7 million to one. If you've gotten better then maybe you should go play.

Ohwell I'll check out the analyser.

[Kaplowitz]

i tried your thing.

out of 100 rolls: i got double six 243 times...i have pretty good luck!

[EmperorOfDaNorth]

Excellent analysis on the dice above!

Also:

I'm a very competitive person. I think when it comes to strategy games that the better player should prevail most of the time.

Do you suppose that happens reliably in real life? Either in war or in sports? History is littered with cases of 'improbable' victories or defeats.

Looking at history, people mostly seem to credit God when a frontier family of 6 holds out against a metric f@ckton of Indians.

More realistically though, the Indians had bad dice.

But to the Indian's credit, they then didn't get on the forum and whined about it. Like, "Weza very competitive tribe, this shit is just not fair. I mean how many times is one supposed to throw a tomahawk and NOT even hit the pioneer baby in the pram, that's just completely unlikely, wait, let me do the math."

[Herakilla]

keep in mind how many more times you roll dice here. i dare you to count all the rolls you do in one day here compared to all the rolls you do on a game with your friends in real life, its a lot more. with it that much higher your chances of hitting an odd thing increases

[Twill]

Hey Vyk,

We all get frustrated with the dice, randomness sometimes seem completely un-random.

We have done our best so randomize the dice - there are 500,000 unique dice rolls pulled from random.org (I think it's being upped to 1 million) and used in our dice system. We cycle through those rolls about every 13-14 hours (there are roughly 850,000 rolls a day - 10 rolls per second roughly).

Psuedo-random generators are inherently flawed. Ours at least is as un-predictably flawed as possible (i.e. not pulled from a seed number which can be predicted and manipulated)

If you can come up with a better way to make our random dice appear more random, please do let us know.

I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread as no more good can come of it and it will end up just being people repeating themselves over and over again with stuff that has already been said.

Have a good one, sorry for the frustration.
Twill