Conquer Club's annual revenues...

khazalid · Post by **khazalid** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:06 pm

Coleman wrote:It's rude. If you can't realize this there is no way I could explain it to you.

its rude based on a warped set of normative ethics. incan's bewilderment is simply a product of a slightly different ideological footing.

Gold Knight · Post by **Gold Knight** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:09 pm

Did anyone just ask Lack? Just seems to make more sense, im not sure that anyone would have a problem telling how much money theu make from running a site.

Just a little more concise than speculation. :wink:

khazalid · Post by **khazalid** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:10 pm

Gold Knight wrote:Did anyone just ask Lack? Just seems to make more sense, im not sure that anyone would have a problem telling how much money theu make from running a site.

Just a little more concise than speculation. :wink:

whilst i dont think hes the type to lock the thread, i doubt also that you'll be seeing the spreadsheets anytime soon ; )

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:10 pm

Coleman wrote:I'm surprised this is still open.

You know there is a more clever way to figure out the exact amount, but I'm not going to share it because trying to figure out how much money the site generates is both immoral and unethical.

lol, you sound like a liberal arts major.

its all business coleman, lack is a part of the global economy with 20,000 customers. No one is entitled to his private financial data, but vague estimates of the sites value and profitability don't need to be kept in the basement of the vatican.

Most likely I am not the first to compute the earning potential of this site, and you can be sure I wont be the last, at least for Lack's sake, unless he still wants to be a Risk baron when he is 50.

Genghis Khan CA · Post by **Genghis Khan CA** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:38 pm

You still haven't explained how you determined the number of premium members... If your methodology is wrong then your estimate is meaningless in any event. I don't believe anyone but lack can make an accurate estimate given issues such as premium membership prizes for tournaments, people who are busted as multis and rejoin (some of whom do it several times), premium members who become inactive and don't appear on the scoreboard etc.

So how did you arrive at your figure?

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:38 pm

mibi wrote:Most likely I am not the first to compute the earning potential of this site, and you can be sure I wont be the last, at least for Lack's sake, unless he still wants to be a Risk baron when he is 50.

You're right on that count. I privately already know how many premium accounts are on his scoreboard. I'm not going to start posting that information though. (Edit: And nobody told me, I figured it out for myself using a relatively sane method)

My ideology is that it is okay to know anything. How you share what you know is where you enter the realm of right or wrong. You came up with a number, I don't care about that. You posting the number bothers me a little.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:14 am

[quote="mibi"]...are estimated to be between $71,000 - $113,000 from premiums alone.quote]

um, maybe you aren't aware of the thread about lack being on Cribs later this month. you are WAY low on your calculations.-0

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:33 am

I hope this fabulous site has done well by everyone involved in it's creation and maintainance,
they're certainly deserving of any financial returns it generates.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:15 am

Coleman wrote:It's rude. If you can't realize this there is no way I could explain it to you.

I'm not saying that some wouldn't consider it rude. I'm just saying that you said it was immoral and unethical, and I happen to disagree that it's either of those things.

Personally, I'm dead curious to know what the numbers are on this place, but I know full well that it's none of my fucking business, the same way that, all things being equal, it's none of lack's business what my income is.

But if someone wants to speculate, I'll read it. More to the point, I'm curious in the best possible way. I love this place. I want lack to make money off it. And I also think it's incredible (and a credit to the site) how much people give back to the place, yourself included. I have a great deal of respect for what you do in the foundry. So it's not like I was trying to come off like a dick.

Genghis Khan CA · Post by **Genghis Khan CA** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:31 am

Incandenza wrote:Personally, I'm dead curious to know what the numbers are on this place, but I know full well that it's none of my fucking business, the same way that, all things being equal, it's none of lack's business what my income is.

But if someone wants to speculate, I'll read it. More to the point, I'm curious in the best possible way. I love this place. I want lack to make money off it. And I also think it's incredible (and a credit to the site) how much people give back to the place, yourself included. I have a great deal of respect for what you do in the foundry. So it's not like I was trying to come off like a dick.

I know this is not what you meant, but...

I reckon you make $5,000 per year :lol:

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:43 am

Genghis Khan CA wrote:
Incandenza wrote:Personally, I'm dead curious to know what the numbers are on this place, but I know full well that it's none of my fucking business, the same way that, all things being equal, it's none of lack's business what my income is.

But if someone wants to speculate, I'll read it. More to the point, I'm curious in the best possible way. I love this place. I want lack to make money off it. And I also think it's incredible (and a credit to the site) how much people give back to the place, yourself included. I have a great deal of respect for what you do in the foundry. So it's not like I was trying to come off like a dick.

I know this is not what you meant, but...

I reckon you make $5,000 per year

Nicely played. Thank god you're wrong.

Genghis Khan CA · Post by **Genghis Khan CA** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:25 am

Incandenza wrote:Nicely played. Thank god you're wrong.

Always safer to overestimate

Bean_ · Post by **Bean_** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:27 am

Genghis Khan CA wrote:You still haven't explained how you determined the number of premium members... If your methodology is wrong then your estimate is meaningless in any event. I don't believe anyone but lack can make an accurate estimate given issues such as premium membership prizes for tournaments, people who are busted as multis and rejoin (some of whom do it several times), premium members who become inactive and don't appear on the scoreboard etc.

So how did you arrive at your figure?

I have no idea what mibi did, but here are 2 ideas:

a) Generate 100 random numbers from 1 to 20619 (the total number of active members a few minutes ago), tabulate the number of premiums in that set and multiply by 206.19 for an estimate of the number of premiums total.

(I just did this with 20 random numbers, and found 8 premiums, so a spot estimate = 40% x 20,619 x $20 = $164,952. Assume the likely average is between 30% to 50%, and the range is between $123,000 and $206,000. Need a bigger sample size, though, for better results.)

b) Click on and save the 83 source pages, and count the incidences of premium icons, which have filenames in the form of "rankXf.png" using MS Word.

P.S. Just sampled another 50 using the same technique, with only 14 premiums. The two samples together make 22 premiums out of 70 in the sample, which projects to $129,605. I don't know how to calculate the standard error offhand, so that is the missing piece for the range.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:26 am

Genghis Khan CA wrote:
Incandenza wrote:Nicely played. Thank god you're wrong.

Always safer to overestimate

Hey, you should give me credit. I've got a pretty good score for someone who's homeless.

Thai Robert · Post by **Thai Robert** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:27 am

removed

Bean_ · Post by **Bean_** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:44 am

Thai Robert wrote:And what about those, that haven't been active for over a month, but that are still paying members. They're not on the scoreboard. What's your estimate on that. Gengis is right. Don't even try to estimate the estimates...

Yes, fair point. At least we can estimate a lower bound, but there are data that we are missing and have no easy way to obtain.

arizona · Post by **arizona** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:46 am

doesn't lack live with his mom? Or did I imagine that?

Thai Robert · Post by **Thai Robert** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:51 am

removed

jcalebmoore · Post by **jcalebmoore** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:12 am

Keep this up, and I swear I'll post the pathetic little annual earnings of each of you in flame wars. This is rude, and invasive to a disgusting degree. The things people post about what they do to your moms is way more appropriate than this. Let this thread die in peace.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:56 am

it is impossible to calculate exactly how much money lack makes. the most accurate method (but still very flawed) would be this:

1. go to memberlist and click on each of the 164349 members this site has.
2. add all the premiums and multiply by 20$

the problems are these:
1. you don't know how many of those premiums are paid or received for free
2. you don't know how many premiums each member has because it is possible to have 100 years worth of premium
3. you don't know if those premiums were bought at 20$ or 25$

and another problem is that you don't know the merchandise lack sold in the shop.

i guess you could go back to the member list and pm the 164349 members and ask them how much money the invested in the site be it in premium or merchandise. but i highly doubt anybody is willing to send 164349 pms, not to mention many could lie in the pms thus rendering the results useless.

in the meantime i suggest leaving this thread to die since is nobody's business how much lack earns.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:53 am

Still, it's safe to say that most premiums don't pay more than once per year of playing time, unless they decide to quit CC later or have to quit for RL reasons. I can understand buying premium for 2 years,though I wouldn't do it, but anything over that is simply ridiculous.

The 5$ rise for premium is still very recent, so the majority will probably have purchased their at the old price.

And the original post said "from premiums alone", specifiying that the calculations disregarded the merchandise.

friendjonny · Post by **friendjonny** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:02 pm

!!! Why is there so much hostility to occur in this thread??? Nobody's privacy was invaded. He merely attempted calculating the possible site revenue (which has nothing to do with costs, if you bring costs into it then you are calculating profit, I don't know why people keep bringing costs into it). Asking someone how much money they make is rude, but calculating the revenue of a business has never, and never will be, rude, immoral, or unethical. Sheesh!

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:12 pm

friendjonny wrote:!!! Why is there so much hostility to occur in this thread??? Nobody's privacy was invaded. He merely attempted calculating the possible site revenue (which has nothing to do with costs, if you bring costs into it then you are calculating profit, I don't know why people keep bringing costs into it). Asking someone how much money they make is rude, but calculating the revenue of a business has never, and never will be, rude, immoral, or unethical. Sheesh!

nice post!

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:15 pm

jcalebmoore wrote:Keep this up, and I swear I'll post the pathetic little annual earnings of each of you in flame wars. This is rude, and invasive to a disgusting degree. The things people post about what they do to your moms is way more appropriate than this. Let this thread die in peace.

do me first!! :lol:

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:17 pm

Genghis Khan CA wrote:
Incandenza wrote:Nicely played. Thank god you're wrong.

Always safer to overestimate

indeed

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