Age of Realms: Magic [Quenched]

jennifermarie · Post by **jennifermarie** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:05 pm

i like the way the rhit dock is done...not too sure about the boat though...too small and it looks like a chunk of ice instead of a boat. The rest of it looks really good

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:06 pm

That's what the shields are for rebel...

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:07 pm

Coleman wrote:I'm not opposed to having it on the large map and removing a bit of that detail on the small map.

mibi fought pretty hard to keep his ducks though on Siege and I can't really tell that's what they are on the small map at all.

what ducks ???

/me heads off to look at the siege map and thinks it must be those sneaky invisible ducks have been preventing me from winning on it

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:08 pm

Coleman wrote:That's what the shields are for rebel...

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:08 pm

Coleman wrote:That's what the shields are for rebel...

very true was not looking at the map when i made my last post

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:28 pm

rebelman wrote:
Coleman wrote:I'm not opposed to having it on the large map and removing a bit of that detail on the small map.

mibi fought pretty hard to keep his ducks though on Siege and I can't really tell that's what they are on the small map at all.

what ducks ???

/me heads off to look at the siege map and thinks it must be those sneaky invisible ducks have been preventing me from winning on it

In the lake at the top of the river... evil dice ruining ducks!!!

C.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:36 pm

i guess coleman is right. the broken rhit bridge can stay on the large map and can be deleted on the small. i will also add various ships across the water for the large version and possibly remove them in the small.

any other concerns?

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:22 pm

yeti_c wrote:
In the lake at the top of the river... evil dice ruining ducks!!!

C.

found them and i am certain now they are the cause of my brutal results on that map :evil:

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:48 pm

rebelman wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
In the lake at the top of the river... evil dice ruining ducks!!!

C.

found them and i am certain now they are the cause of my brutal results on that map

hey enough about ducks. or i'll personally go and shoot them. let's focus on the map here.

so all i got to do now is take care of some little ships on the seas and new shields. give me something else before i start the small map.

also i'd like to talk about the starting neutrals.
the ones in the previous chapter are the starting base but some modifications are needed especially for the zones that now have new borders (the ice bridge borders)

also ieme will be 5 and rhit will be 3.
anything else? suggestions for rongar croch voigth and g'th...??

i say
5 rongar, g'th and voigth
3 for croch
also the terits in the sanctuary should have 5 each?
and the sanctuary 100??

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:52 pm

DiM wrote:any other concerns?

global warming

ongoing political unrest in Pakistan

the problems in the Middle East

the price of petrol and the cost of living in general

people living in consistent poverty

although I don't think these need to be addressed for this to be final forged.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:55 pm

rebelman wrote:
DiM wrote:any other concerns?

global warming

ongoing political unrest in Pakistan

the problems in the Middle East

the price of petrol and the cost of living in general

people living in consistent poverty

although I don't think these need to be addressed for this to be final forged.

yeah

it would be nice if those were solved

but really i'm at work no so i can't do any graphic updates but i can talk about the gameplay. mainly the neutrals.

what does everybody think?

ieme will be 5 and rhit will be 3
5 rongar, g'th and voigth
3 for croch
also the terits in the sanctuary should have 5 each?
and the sanctuary 100??
everything else stays the same as chapter 1.

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:59 pm

DiM wrote:
also i'd like to talk about the starting neutrals.
the ones in the previous chapter are the starting base but some modifications are needed especially for the zones that now have new borders (the ice bridge borders)

also ieme will be 5 and rhit will be 3.
anything else? suggestions for rongar croch voigth and g'th...??

i say
5 rongar, g'th and voigth
3 for croch
also the terits in the sanctuary should have 5 each?
and the sanctuary 100??

u'rl and g'th need to be higher as they in effect guard access to the sanctuary

I'm thinking because of the bonuses 100 is relatively low for the sanctuary (although im judging this in chapter 1 terms) but if one was playing unlimited esc. on this map it would not take that long to get up to 90 / 100 army deployments

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:10 pm

rebelman wrote:
DiM wrote:
also i'd like to talk about the starting neutrals.
the ones in the previous chapter are the starting base but some modifications are needed especially for the zones that now have new borders (the ice bridge borders)

also ieme will be 5 and rhit will be 3.
anything else? suggestions for rongar croch voigth and g'th...??

i say
5 rongar, g'th and voigth
3 for croch
also the terits in the sanctuary should have 5 each?
and the sanctuary 100??

u'rl and g'th need to be higher as they in effect guard access to the sanctuary

I'm thinking because of the bonuses 100 is relatively low for the sanctuary (although im judging this in chapter 1 terms) but if one was playing unlimited esc. on this map it would not take that long to get up to 90 / 100 army deployments

if we're talking about escalating then if a guy gets to cash in so many troops to kill the 100 neutrals then it means the other people are also in the position of cashing in at least that many troops and they can go and kill the first guy. remember he has to kill the 100 neutrals and hold the sanctuary for a full turn. that's why it really doesn't matter if u'rl and g'th are 5 or 10 or whatever. i say 5 is a fine number because if you come to take and hold the sanctuary you come with at least 200 troops so 5 extra won't matter that much. if you come with less than that then you wither won't kill the 100 neutrals or you won't be able to hold it.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:09 pm

i just spent like 5 mins reading from page 3 (where i last was yesterday) to page 10 lol, youve been busy today!

my suggestion: if this is considerably later in time than CH 1, maybe you could add on to the castles since they would expand. or better yet, make like a suburb around the castles showing that they expanded past their walls like what would happen.

then maybe add a little red orange and some light to show camp fires and that some one is alive in the castles lol and the villas too

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:40 pm

Herakilla wrote:i just spent like 5 mins reading from page 3 (where i last was yesterday) to page 10 lol, youve been busy today!

my suggestion: if this is considerably later in time than CH 1, maybe you could add on to the castles since they would expand. or better yet, make like a suburb around the castles showing that they expanded past their walls like what would happen.

then maybe add a little red orange and some light to show camp fires and that some one is alive in the castles lol and the villas too

i like the camp fires they would look neat on the snow. i think i may add some camps and carts with fires and wagons at crossroads to represent merchants. and i could even add some houses near the villages.

nice ideas, but as i said i'm at work and i can't do anything graphic. i want gameplay feedback.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:43 pm

oh gameplay? in my opinion it is at or is close to being what you could want. assuming of course that you want people to exnd and actually build empires

the only thing is, in no card games and flat rate it will be considerably easier to just kill other players lol im not sure how you can fix that short of making neutrals between players very high

Blueneutron · Post by **Blueneutron** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:45 pm

DiM wrote:things that need discussion:

4. are the wheat and corn resources realistic? should i change them? if i should, then to what?

You should make the Wheat and Corn something winter oriented, like Fur and Oil, or Elk and Reindeer. Berries and baskets are lame.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:02 pm

Blueneutron wrote:
DiM wrote:things that need discussion:

4. are the wheat and corn resources realistic? should i change them? if i should, then to what?

You should make the Wheat and Corn something winter oriented, like Fur and Oil, or Elk and Reindeer. Berries and baskets are lame.

well the problem is that reindeer and elks don't appear out of nowhere. this used to be a calm moderate weather land before the ice spell. so they have the same animals as before. elks can't suddely barge in the land

as for oil, hmm... the time is let's say middle ages. oil wasn't important back then.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:03 pm

are you kidding me dim? oil lamps were all teh rage back then!

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:07 pm

Herakilla wrote:oh gameplay? in my opinion it is at or is close to being what you could want. assuming of course that you want people to exnd and actually build empires

the only thing is, in no card games and flat rate it will be considerably easier to just kill other players lol im not sure how you can fix that short of making neutrals between players very high

actually if you know how to expand, the bonuses can gather quite a lot even in no cards games.

imagine having a castle 2 villages and a resource pair. really easy to get them. it will add up to 17 troops per turn:
3 for castle
3 for # of terits
3 for castle + resource pair
2 for castle and 2 villages
6 for 2 villages + resource pair.

if you go even further and get another village then you have another 4 troops. that's 21 troops each turn. with that kind of bonus getting a big army to kill the sanctuary is not that hard.

imagine if you manage to kill an opponent and get his castle and resources. you'd get almost 40 troops per turn.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:08 pm

Herakilla wrote:are you kidding me dim? oil lamps were all teh rage back then!

but it wasn't the oil from now. it was made from animal grease or plants. :wink:

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:35 pm

it is still oil no matter how you look at it

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:41 pm

Herakilla wrote:it is still oil no matter how you look at it

not realy, i would not want saudi oil on my salad but i do love olive oil.

vegetable and animal oils were used because those are less flammable and only the wick burns. put some gasoline and you no longer have a light source but a bomb :roll:

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:25 am

I really think it should be 50 neutrals on the Sanctuary and not 100.

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:26 am

gameplay wise....

id say the numbers u have look reasonable, i know within a matter of rounds 5- 6 in a 2 player or 3 player match u can be deploying at almost 40-60 troops, so the neuts seem fine..

question in assasin, can u take the sanctuary ftw still?