gay - is it ok?

[mr. incrediball]

this after he just said someone's sexual orientation doesn't make him think any less or more of that person, and you say he's bigoted, just because he doesn't agree with your view on something you enliken him to a racist and the rest of it, seems like jay is being more reasonable in here.

Not necessarily. He could answer "No" to all the questions.

Or, I could just ignore them. Those questions would be considered "leading the witness" in a trail. I should've mentioned that I would answer only sinsear, reasonable questions.

sinsear?

is that like the ear of sins?

or did you mean sincere?

[b.k. barunt]

Since we are discussing sexual orientation, I will declare mine. I am a bisexual and not afraid to admit it. So jay will you judge me for that? You can also admit that you from time to time think about having sex with two girls. You don't have to actually do it, just think about it.

. . . and never have talked about "scoring" with the guys in the locker room when . . .

Jay! Not you?!!

[Jehan]

this after he just said someone's sexual orientation doesn't make him think any less or more of that person, and you say he's bigoted, just because he doesn't agree with your view on something you enliken him to a racist and the rest of it, seems like jay is being more reasonable in here.

Not necessarily. He could answer "No" to all the questions.

do you think it would help? Seems like everyone's already made up their minds.

[Beastly]

Ok. Question: "Are you a right wing, probably fascist, bigot who hasnt got a brain?"

Or "Are you an intolerant, hateful, closet homosexual and a righthwing bigot, who should be made to read a history book about the Third Reich?"

Or-an entirely different question "ARE YOU A MORON"

Just questions mind. To get to know the inner bigot.

Suggs you judging anyone for being against homosexuals is the same as someone judging a homosexual...

It's ok to not agree with a gay lifestyle. And it is a chosen life style. You don't have to be gay if you don't want to. Just like you don't have to be straight if you don't want to. It is a choice. IF you decide that you don't like be attracted to the same sex, is the same as not liking to be attracted to little children. Child molesters. Or a rapist who can't control himself with women. Or incest. It's all choice. You may not be able to control who you are attracted to, but that doesn't mean you have to act on your urges.

However, the difference with being a consenting gay couple is not harming anybody, so I don't understand why people jdon't just leave them alone.

But for hells sake, don't be a bigot against people who don't agree with you. Then you are doing exactly what you are accusing them of! doesn't make sense. There is nothing wrong with someone not accepting that gay people are ok. It's someone opinion and belief.

Suggs you make yourself look worse than then the person you accuse of being a bigot.

[hecter]

Beastly, are you saying that you CHOSE to be straight? 'Cause I sure as hell didn't. In fact, I'm sure there are a lot of gays out there who wish they could just choose to be straight, but they can't, because it's not a choice. And there ARE paedophiles out there who wish they weren't a paedophile. And there are people who are into dead people, or poo, or whateverthefuck turns them on and wish that it didn't. I know I didn't choose any of my fetishes. What turns me on turns me on. I didn't choose them and I can't just suddenly say "I don't want this to turn me on any more so I'll just make it stop." and have it actually work. It doesn't work that way.

[Kal]

Beastly, are you saying that you CHOSE to be straight? 'Cause I sure as hell didn't.
........
What turns me on turns me on. I didn't choose them and I can't just suddenly say "I don't want this to turn me on any more so I'll just make it stop." and have it actually work. It doesn't work that way.

o_O;
No shit!?

[sarcasm] I thought I could turn a "gay" switch on and off all this time, and I just chose to keep it off my whole life! [/sarcasm]

[jay_a2j]

What beastly said was correct. You can't control who you are attracted to, but you can control acting upon it. If sexual lust can not be controlled, then there should be no pedophiles in prison. They could just say, "I was born this way." and that should be enough. Lets not confuse the issue of the right and wrongness of homosexuality with if it's ok to pass judgment on said people. Like I said before, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, I will not judge that. I will tell you if I think its right or wrong when asked though.

[hecter]

What beastly said was correct. You can't control who you are attracted to, but you can control acting upon it. If sexual lust can not be controlled, then there should be no pedophiles in prison. They could just say, "I was born this way." and that should be enough. Lets not confuse the issue of the right and wrongness of homosexuality with if it's ok to pass judgment on said people. Like I said before, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, I will not judge that. I will tell you if I think its right or wrong when asked though.

So are you saying that gay people should go without gay sex for their entire lives? The thing is, it won't make them any less gay. It will just make them miserable old fags/dykes with a string of failed heterosexual relationships. And your omnipotent God should be able to see through this mock heterosexuality and realize that they are gay.

Or, is being gay okay, it's just gay sex that's wrong? 'Cause that would be REALLY REALLY fucked up!

[jay_a2j]

What beastly said was correct. You can't control who you are attracted to, but you can control acting upon it. If sexual lust can not be controlled, then there should be no pedophiles in prison. They could just say, "I was born this way." and that should be enough. Lets not confuse the issue of the right and wrongness of homosexuality with if it's ok to pass judgment on said people. Like I said before, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, I will not judge that. I will tell you if I think its right or wrong when asked though.

So are you saying that gay people should go without gay sex for their entire lives? The thing is, it won't make them any less gay. It will just make them miserable old fags/dykes with a string of failed heterosexual relationships. And your omnipotent God should be able to see through this mock heterosexuality and realize that they are gay.

Or, is being gay okay, it's just gay sex that's wrong? 'Cause that would be REALLY REALLY fucked up!

Are you saying that pedophiles should give up child sex for their entire lives?

[hecter]

Are you saying that pedophiles should give up child sex for their entire lives?

Yes I am. A child is not mature enough to give consent to have sex with somebody, anybody, and it would be immoral for an adult to take advantage of a child like that. Not to mention the fact that children are often forced by the paedophiles which is even more wrong. Any adult, on the other hand, can give consent to what ever sexual act they wish. So why shouldn't they be able to?

[jay_a2j]

Are you saying that pedophiles should give up child sex for their entire lives?

Yes I am. A child is not mature enough to give consent to have sex with somebody, anybody, and it would be immoral for an adult to take advantage of a child like that. Not to mention the fact that children are often forced by the paedophiles which is even more wrong. Any adult, on the other hand, can give consent to what ever sexual act they wish. So why shouldn't they be able to?

And I am saying yes, a homosexual should give up sex with the same sex if they want to follow God's commandments. If they don't, well then nothing should stand in their way.

[hecter]

And I am saying yes, a homosexual should give up sex with the same sex if they want to follow God's commandments. If they don't, well then nothing should stand in their way.

But that's ridiculous. You're saying there are no true Christian gays. And unless you're one of those Westboro Baptist people, surely you believe that your God is a loving one. So why would he want to stop love, gay or otherwise? And I'm not talking about casual sex, I'm talking about true love between a couple of the same sex.

[peanutsdad]

did anyone read what i wrote? beside title?

Yes i read your whole post. While my feelings are different than yours though i respect your honesty. I have no problems being around others of different sexual preferences at all. i have some very good friends, men and women that prefer to be with the same sex, that's ok, that's what they like, why should I have any right to tell them what they should or should not be attracted too. Now i'm not saying that you think you should either, i actually think that your posting this is just the beginning of you wanting to understand and except that it's ok for other people to be different, but that you want approval from others before you make that decision. Just because you didn't feel comfortable around others that time you shouldn't close you mind to it in the future. People are different, different colors, different heights, weights, different personalities, different sexual preferences, none of that should matter. What should matter is that we're all people, just people trying to get through life and we should all treat each other equally......

Well except for clowns, there just wrong.....

[muy_thaiguy]

did anyone read what i wrote? beside title?

Yes i read your whole post. While my feelings are different than yours though i respect your honesty. I have no problems being around others of different sexual preferences at all. i have some very good friends, men and women that prefer to be with the same sex, that's ok, that's what they like, why should I have any right to tell them what they should or should not be attracted too. Now i'm not saying that you think you should either, i actually think that your posting this is just the beginning of you wanting to understand and except that it's ok for other people to be different, but that you want approval from others before you make that decision. Just because you didn't feel comfortable around others that time you shouldn't close you mind to it in the future. People are different, different colors, different heights, weights, different personalities, different sexual preferences, none of that should matter. What should matter is that we're all people, just people trying to get through life and we should all treat each other equally......

Well except for clowns, there just wrong.....

And mimes. Stupid annoying things keep trapping me in their boxes.

[Jehan]

this whole thread would have been a lot less serious if the title had said gay, instead of homosexuality, because then it would have rhymed.

[b.k. barunt]

And I am saying yes, a homosexual should give up sex with the same sex if they want to follow God's commandments. If they don't, well then nothing should stand in their way.

But that's ridiculous. You're saying there are no true Christian gays. And unless you're one of those Westboro Baptist people, surely you believe that your God is a loving one. So why would he want to stop love, gay or otherwise? And I'm not talking about casual sex, I'm talking about true love between a couple of the same sex.

To say that there are "Christian Gays" is absurd. To say "true" Christian gays is even more absurd. I have studied the scriptures more than most of the Christian "leaders" that i've met, and i believe in the God of the scriptures, but for me to call myself a Christian would be absolutely hypocritical, because i like to f*ck and fight, and use potty words - i don't follow the teachings, so i can't claim to be a Christian. Homosexuality is blatantly identified as an abomination in both the Old and New Testaments, so how could you call a practicing gay a "true Christian". Why can they have it both ways and i can't (pun intended)?


Honibaz

[DirtyDishSoap]

Long as they dont make a move on me im okay with them

[Snorri1234]

And I am saying yes, a homosexual should give up sex with the same sex if they want to follow God's commandments. If they don't, well then nothing should stand in their way.

But that's ridiculous. You're saying there are no true Christian gays. And unless you're one of those Westboro Baptist people, surely you believe that your God is a loving one. So why would he want to stop love, gay or otherwise? And I'm not talking about casual sex, I'm talking about true love between a couple of the same sex.

Don't know, don't care. God's probably a dick.


Though I do have a question for Jay. Isn't it only God's job to pass judgement on anyone regarding their life? If someone who is gay chooses to worship God ,but doesn't stop having sex, shouldn't you just accept that and let God be the judge?

[Simonov]

this whole thread would have been a lot less serious if the title had said gay, instead of homosexuality, because then it would have rhymed.

done

[Syzygy]

this whole thread would have been a lot less serious if the title had said gay, instead of homosexuality, because then it would have rhymed.

done

*Serious Voice* It's too late.

[unriggable]

What beastly said was correct. You can't control who you are attracted to, but you can control acting upon it. If sexual lust can not be controlled, then there should be no pedophiles in prison. They could just say, "I was born this way." and that should be enough. Lets not confuse the issue of the right and wrongness of homosexuality with if it's ok to pass judgment on said people. Like I said before, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, I will not judge that. I will tell you if I think its right or wrong when asked though.

You're...you're an asshole.

[Stopper]

this whole thread would have been a lot less serious if the title had said gay, instead of homosexuality, because then it would have rhymed.

done

I think "Is it OK to be gay?" would be a better title, because not only does it rhyme, but it scans better.

[Simonov]

this whole thread would have been a lot less serious if the title had said gay, instead of homosexuality, because then it would have rhymed.

done

I think "Is it OK to be gay?" would be a better title, because not only does it rhyme, but it scans better.

no, it would lose it's meaning. to be gay is ok. that's not the question. i wanted to know how does gen-pop feel about gay-community. i personally don't like having them close to me. i don't think they are evil or bad, i just don't feel good around them (at least feminized ones). i would feel indifferent in company of gay who behaves like regular guy...

[hecter]

i would feel indifferent in company of gay who behaves like regular guy...

All the gay people I know... You're painting with such a broad brush, as it's been put. Most gay people are not prancing around in spandex talking in a high voice with a lisp. They're just regular guys like you and me. Well... You at least.

BK, what does one have to do to become a Christian then? Seems like it's pretty hard to me!

[b.k. barunt]

I have no problems with them if they keep it to themselves. I have no problems with booger eaters, but if they do it in front of me i have to say something. Silly me.


Honibaz