9/11 Conspiracies(threads merged)

[Norse]

Well, the alleged planes went into the buildings at angles, which would have weakened only certain parts....I mean, I saw "footage" of one of the planes go right into the corner of one of the sides...Surely this would have weakened that corner, thus leading to the caving in on that particular corner of it, causing it to rip the building down at that angle...

All hypothetically and assumingly, of course.

It still would have fallen straight down. Did you expect it to slide or peel off? When the support gives way, even if it's a corner, it still falls along the force exerted on it. The only force exerted on it was gravity, thus it fell straight down.

Or, in other words...

i think what norse is trying to say is that the weakened parts would meet less resistance than the undamaged parts, causing the building to lean and eventually fall sideways.

Thankyou..

[Norse]

i think what norse is trying to say is that the weakened parts would meet less resistance than the undamaged parts, causing the building to lean and eventually fall sideways.

Why would that make the building lean?

Ok, let's draw a picture. I'll use MS Paint.


Now, if that top section were being pushed or pulled by another force, then the building may have fallen sideways. However, the only force here was gravity, so the whole thing fell into the floors below, started a chain reaction of collapse, and fell to the ground.

It's the same principle that allows martial artists to break multiple boards/bricks stacked on top of one another. As the brick above it breaks, it exerts force in addition to the fist driving into it, this breaks the next brick down, and so on.

i should really stop trying to beat people older than me at physics

VT, I appreciate the amount of time that you have put into this

But, as we were talking before, this "collapse" could never have taken place, as there was no possiblew way that temperatures as much as 2000 degree's C could ever have been created, especially only within 90 minutes of the fake "collision" occured.

But, nevertheleass, no way could either of them buildings have fallen so quickly.

One fell at just over 10 seconds, the other fell at just over 8 seconds.

Now, I have studied physice to a fairly high level, but I wouldnt put my knowledge above the independent group of mathematicians, engineers and physicists, who have calculated, in a comnbined effort, that if this "hypothetical" scenario ever happened, it would have taken "at the very least" of 90 second for the building to collapse.

The reasons being that the first few floors, having being weakened by the original collision, may have hypothetically failed, and then hypothetcally fell ont the next floor, which then would have cause the next floors "struts" to have failed....so on...

It sure as hell would not have fallen even close to the acceleration of gravity, NOT EVEN CLOSE!

As an ex physcisist (albeit an electronics-biased one), I can tell you, that this WOULD NOT have felled at this rate...

[Norse]

Besides which, your physical examples are absoloutley fuckin contradictory.

If a blow, that dealt "so much" damage to the twin towers to make it fall down, why was it not "shaved in half" as you represent it in your pics. you could not possibly represent a picture as simplistic as yours is on a peice of paper to describe this "hypothetical" collision...

I applaud your pathetic attempt, but I, as an ex-physicist, see no logic in your little drawings.

I would expect something more from a 10 year old...

But Im not arguing about your pics, more of the detail that is not affixed to them.

Not nearly dynamic enough to take all of the force/frictional/impactal data into account.

sorry, good efforrt for yourself, gold star on your little jersey, but not ever gonna cut the mustard with the big boys.

[Kaplowitz]

The Ancient Egyptions were helped by ALIENS!!!

[vtmarik]

Here:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

I'm not a proctologist, so I can't help you with your issues.

[xtratabasco]

My field is structural engineering, and I am perfectly satisfied with the traditional explanations given as to why the towers collapsed.

Well these guys beg to differ



Over the last 8 weeks a world renowned scientist and three nationally recognized engineers have called for a new investigation of 9/11, yet none of these have been reported in the mainstream media.

Most recently, on Sept. 4, Joel S. Hirschhorn, Ph.D., who served for 12 years as a Senior Staff Member of the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and later as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association, called for a new investigation of 9/11, saying "First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions." Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member ##Calls for New Investigation of 9/11.

On Aug. 27, Lynn Margulis, Ph.D., member of the National Academy of Sciences and world renowned scientist, characterized the official account of 9/11 as "a fraud" and called for a new investigation. "I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken." National Academy of Sciences Member Calls for New 9/11 Investigation.

An Aug. 21 article reported that James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable." Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation.

On July 16, J. Marx Ayres, former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council and former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission called for a new investigation of 9/11, "Steven Jones' call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that the WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down not just by impact damage and fire, but through the use of pre-positioned 'cutter-charges' must be the rallying cry for all building design experts to speak out." Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement.

Additionally, this week, Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story." U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11.

[Backglass]

Over the last 8 weeks a world renowned scientist and three nationally recognized engineers have called for a new investigation of 9/11, yet none of these have been reported in the mainstream media.

Most recently, on Sept. 4, Joel S. Hirschhorn, Ph.D., who served for 12 years as a Senior Staff Member of the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and later as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association, called for a new investigation of 9/11, saying "First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions." Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member ##Calls for New Investigation of 9/11.

On Aug. 27, Lynn Margulis, Ph.D., member of the National Academy of Sciences and world renowned scientist, characterized the official account of 9/11 as "a fraud" and called for a new investigation. "I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken." National Academy of Sciences Member Calls for New 9/11 Investigation.

An Aug. 21 article reported that James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable." Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation.

On July 16, J. Marx Ayres, former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council and former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission called for a new investigation of 9/11, "Steven Jones' call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that the WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down not just by impact damage and fire, but through the use of pre-positioned 'cutter-charges' must be the rallying cry for all building design experts to speak out." Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement.

Additionally, this week, Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story." U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11.

None of which are structural engineers I might add. Where are all the people who actually build these buildings? Why aren't they up in arms? Where are the building demolition companies? Surely they would recognize a true implosion and sound the alarm...yet they say nothing. WHY?

I assume the theory is that the planes that actually did hit the tower had nothing to do with the collapse...correct? Well, IF this was a controlled demolition it would have taken THOUSANDS of core drilling's and charges. Tens of thousands of beams & supports would have had to have been been pre-cut. Buildings in controlled demolitions are weakened to the point of near collapse so that the charges push them enough to fall. It takes a LOT of work to bring down a building, yet none of the hundred of security personal or workers saw any teams of roaming demo-men. WHY?

WHO was drilling/cutting/placing these charges? It would have taken a large team of men WEEKS to do. Yet, nobody saw or heard them. WHY?

A story like this would make any one of these men instant multi-millionaires...why have they not come forward? Why would they willingly kill their own countrymen? Are they ROBOTS?

Our government can't even question a prisoner without several people taking photo's, yet no photo's of the massive prep work needed to demo TWO of the largest buildings in the world don't exist. WHY?

And why fly the planes at all? Why not just implode the building and say Bin Laden did it with bombs? Why take so long to bring it down?

Anyone care to answer?

[Carebian Knight]

VT, I appreciate the amount of time that you have put into this

But, as we were talking before, this "collapse" could never have taken place, as there was no possiblew way that temperatures as much as 2000 degree's C could ever have been created, especially only within 90 minutes of the fake "collision" occured.

But, nevertheleass, no way could either of them buildings have fallen so quickly.

One fell at just over 10 seconds, the other fell at just over 8 seconds.

Now, I have studied physice to a fairly high level, but I wouldnt put my knowledge above the independent group of mathematicians, engineers and physicists, who have calculated, in a comnbined effort, that if this "hypothetical" scenario ever happened, it would have taken "at the very least" of 90 second for the building to collapse.

The reasons being that the first few floors, having being weakened by the original collision, may have hypothetically failed, and then hypothetcally fell ont the next floor, which then would have cause the next floors "struts" to have failed....so on...

It sure as hell would not have fallen even close to the acceleration of gravity, NOT EVEN CLOSE!

As an ex physcisist (albeit an electronics-biased one), I can tell you, that this WOULD NOT have felled at this rate...

If what you believe was true and explosives were used on the towers. Then the towers would've been destroyed in the same way. Explosives put at intervals or on each floor.

So if they were destroyed like that, then it wouldn't have taken an extra 2 seconds for one of them to fall. One was taller than the other yes, but not enough to add 2 seconds to the fall time.

Please tell me what I did wrong. I'm sure you'll find something. As for myself I entirely agree with VT, there wasn't a conspiracy, it's possible that the American government was looking for support for a war they wanted to wage, but they wouldn't have gone that far with it.

If it truly was all Bush's idea then why didn't Osama deny all involvement. Now my history of the subject isn't all that great but I'm pretty sure that, he never said he had nothing to do with 9/11 and I'm pretty sure he took credit for it.

you dont have to write thousands of words or dozens of paragraphs...

just keep it simple....stupid

lol

You say this just after you right like 5 paragraphs on the subject.

[Carebian Knight]

Over the last 8 weeks a world renowned scientist and three nationally recognized engineers have called for a new investigation of 9/11, yet none of these have been reported in the mainstream media.

Most recently, on Sept. 4, Joel S. Hirschhorn, Ph.D., who served for 12 years as a Senior Staff Member of the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and later as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association, called for a new investigation of 9/11, saying "First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions." Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member ##Calls for New Investigation of 9/11.

On Aug. 27, Lynn Margulis, Ph.D., member of the National Academy of Sciences and world renowned scientist, characterized the official account of 9/11 as "a fraud" and called for a new investigation. "I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken." National Academy of Sciences Member Calls for New 9/11 Investigation.

An Aug. 21 article reported that James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable." Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation.

On July 16, J. Marx Ayres, former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council and former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission called for a new investigation of 9/11, "Steven Jones' call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that the WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down not just by impact damage and fire, but through the use of pre-positioned 'cutter-charges' must be the rallying cry for all building design experts to speak out." Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement.

Additionally, this week, Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story." U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11.

None of which are structural engineers I might add. Where are all the people who actually build these buildings? Why aren't they up in arms? Where are the building demolition companies? Surely they would recognize a true implosion and sound the alarm...yet they say nothing. WHY?

I assume the theory is that the planes that actually did hit the tower had nothing to do with the collapse...correct? Well, IF this was a controlled demolition it would have taken THOUSANDS of core drilling's and charges. Tens of thousands of beams & supports would have had to have been been pre-cut. Buildings in controlled demolitions are weakened to the point of near collapse so that the charges push them enough to fall. It takes a LOT of work to bring down a building, yet none of the hundred of security personal or workers saw any teams of roaming demo-men. WHY?

WHO was drilling/cutting/placing these charges? It would have taken a large team of men WEEKS to do. Yet, nobody saw or heard them. WHY?

A story like this would make any one of these men instant multi-millionaires...why have they not come forward? Why would they willingly kill their own countrymen? Are they ROBOTS?

Our government can't even question a prisoner without several people taking photo's, yet no photo's of the massive prep work needed to demo TWO of the largest buildings in the world don't exist. WHY?

And why fly the planes at all? Why not just implode the building and say Bin Laden did it with bombs? Why take so long to bring it down?

Anyone care to answer?

Bam, man I'm glad I'm on the same side as you.

[xtratabasco]

nope, just c+p, remember, keeping it simple for you simple minded fucks.

[Carebian Knight]

nope, just c+p, remember, keeping it simple for you simple minded fucks.

I think he means, my brain is to simple, I can't figure out half of what your saying let alone comment on it.

[Backglass]

If it truly was all Bush's idea then why didn't Osama deny all involvement. Now my history of the subject isn't all that great but I'm pretty sure that, he never said he had nothing to do with 9/11 and I'm pretty sure he took credit for it.

Even if all the theories are true, it would depend on one thing which is COMPLETELY impossible.

That BUSH is some kind of blofeld mastermind that could pull this off and keep it quiet. C'mon! The man can't even form a complete sentence, YET he masterminded the biggest governmental conspiracy in history and fooled an entire nation?

I think not.

[xtratabasco]

Over the last 8 weeks a world renowned scientist and three nationally recognized engineers have called for a new investigation of 9/11, yet none of these have been reported in the mainstream media.

Most recently, on Sept. 4, Joel S. Hirschhorn, Ph.D., who served for 12 years as a Senior Staff Member of the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and later as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association, called for a new investigation of 9/11, saying "First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions." Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member ##Calls for New Investigation of 9/11.

On Aug. 27, Lynn Margulis, Ph.D., member of the National Academy of Sciences and world renowned scientist, characterized the official account of 9/11 as "a fraud" and called for a new investigation. "I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken." National Academy of Sciences Member Calls for New 9/11 Investigation.

An Aug. 21 article reported that James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable." Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation.

On July 16, J. Marx Ayres, former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council and former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission called for a new investigation of 9/11, "Steven Jones' call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that the WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down not just by impact damage and fire, but through the use of pre-positioned 'cutter-charges' must be the rallying cry for all building design experts to speak out." Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement.

Additionally, this week, Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story." U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11.

None of which are structural engineers I might add.

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.

and as to your question about experts, I already posted their info and statements from them along time ago on another post (there was over 500) remembers? and you phho phood them all.


lol

[Backglass]

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.

and as to your question about experts, I already posted their info and statements from them along time ago on another post (there was over 500) remembers? and you phho phood them all.


lol

You want to go another round xtra? I shut you down at every turn on your last conspiracy rant and made you look like the fool you are. I don't mind doing it again, but you have to actually pay attention this time.

And yes you gave their credentials. None of them have ever built or demolished a building so their cries have no more weight then yours.

(PS: Try eight smilies next time to REALLY show us you mean business.)

[xtratabasco]

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.

and as to your question about experts, I already posted their info and statements from them along time ago on another post (there was over 500) remembers? and you phho phood them all.


lol

You want to go another round xtra? I shut you down at every turn on your last conspiracy rant and made you look like the fool you are. I don't mind doing it again, but you have to actually pay attention this time.

And yes you gave their credentials. None of them have ever built or demolished a building so their cries have no more weight then yours.

(PS: Try eight smilies next time to REALLY show us you mean business.)

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.


by the way backfagg, how is your risk game going? lol

[Backglass]

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.


by the way backfagg, how is your risk game going? lol

I accept your defeat.

[vtmarik]

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.


by the way backfagg, how is your risk game going? lol

I accept your defeat.

I suggest we just ignore him for now, let him rant inside of his own glass box for a while.

[Backglass]

I suggest we just ignore him for now, let him rant inside of his own glass box for a while.

Agreed.

[xtratabasco]

this might come as a shock to you backfagg, but guess what. I would take what these guys say over you and all your faggy friends here anyday.


by the way backfagg, how is your risk game going? lol

I accept your defeat.

yes, because of you and others who lick bush's boots and grovel to the lies of this government we are in the situation that were in.

[Gold Knight]

Just bringing this into play, but what about Flight 93? There would be no reason that the flight would crash if Bush wanted to attack the WTC. Another huge gap in the conspiracy theories, along with the attack on the Pentagon. Why would Bush send a plane at one of his own fucking governement buildings? Doesnt add up...

[xtratabasco]

Just bringing this into play, but what about Flight 93? There would be no reason that the flight would crash if Bush wanted to attack the WTC. Another huge gap in the conspiracy theories, along with the attack on the Pentagon. Why would Bush send a plane at one of his own fucking governement buildings? Doesnt add up...

you dont have to prove every single little problem with 911. after all we the people didnt do it, this government did and they were the ones to investigate themselves.

we dont let rapists prosucute themselves do we?

[GreecePwns]

Well if you watched the videos, they asked experts on building demolition. Here are some things they told them:

1. The fire could not have weakened the steel enough to destroy the building (even with jet fuel). No matter how long it was in there. There have been fires that have been in steel buildings (even WTC 7) for over 20 hours, with none EVER being demolished. No fire has taken down a steel building, let alone 3 in one day. The Twin Towers fell within 90 minutes.

2. If the floors pancaked, the core should have still been standing, because it was so strong. This building was specifically designed to withstand forces greater than those jets at half-load.

3. Normal collapses of buildings like these should not be sending exploding material across a city street. The only way they could have came out was by bombs planted inside the building.

4. You could see fire coming out of one floor as the other ones pancaked on top of it.

Furthermore, they asked certain people that were on the lobby or in the basement before the crash. And I quote:

"I was going into the basement bathroom, when I heard an explosion that must have been in the 2nd basement because I felt the floor shaking. All of the sudden, ceiling tiles were falling everywhere. I walked back out, and the basement was demolished, so normal procedure was to run to the second tower basement. I went there, and sure enough, the explosions happened again."

Eh? Explosions before the crash in the 2nd and 3rd basements?

[moo_lol]

Here's a question that I always think of when I hear people talking about the building that fell "straight down against all odds." If the government was willing to kill everyone in the WTC, why would they bother with a "controlled demolition?" You people seem to think that they wanted to kill everyone in the towers but only the people in the towers. They took great pains to make sure than no innocent bystanders were hurt (except for the people going to their office jobs in the towers), huh?

[xtratabasco]

Well if you watched the videos, they asked experts on building demolition. Here are some things they told them:

1. The fire could not have weakened the steel enough to destroy the building (even with jet fuel). No matter how long it was in there. There have been fires that have been in steel buildings (even WTC 7) for over 20 hours, with none EVER being demolished. No fire has taken down a steel building, let alone 3 in one day. The Twin Towers fell within 90 minutes.

2. If the floors pancaked, the core should have still been standing, because it was so strong. This building was specifically designed to withstand forces greater than those jets at half-load.

3. Normal collapses of buildings like these should not be sending exploding material across a city street. The only way they could have came out was by bombs planted inside the building.

4. You could see fire coming out of one floor as the other ones pancaked on top of it.

Furthermore, they asked certain people that were on the lobby or in the basement before the crash. And I quote:

"I was going into the basement bathroom, when I heard an explosion that must have been in the 2nd basement because I felt the floor shaking. All of the sudden, ceiling tiles were falling everywhere. I walked back out, and the basement was demolished, so normal procedure was to run to the second tower basement. I went there, and sure enough, the explosions happened again."

Eh? Explosions before the crash in the 2nd and 3rd basements?

gee just like these firefighters and cops said

kind of like these firefighters

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luF ... ed&search=

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... cleId=2474

http://infowars.com/print/Sept11/pp_fdny.htm

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I


CREDIBLE SOURCES SUCH AS NEW YORK FIREFIGHTERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

Firefighters, law enforcement officers, and other extremely credible witnesses have also discredited the Administration's version of why the world trade center buildings collapsed on 9/11:

Reporter for USA Today stated that the FBI believed that bombs in the buildings brought the buildings down

NY Fire Department Chief of Safety stated there were "bombs" and "secondary devices", which caused the explosions in the buildings (video); or high-quality audio here

NYC firefighters who witnessed attacks stated that it looked like there were bombs in the buildings

NYC firefighter stated "On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building"

NYC firefighter stated there was a "bomb in the building ... start clearing out"

[Gold Knight]

Just bringing this into play, but what about Flight 93? There would be no reason that the flight would crash if Bush wanted to attack the WTC. Another huge gap in the conspiracy theories, along with the attack on the Pentagon. Why would Bush send a plane at one of his own fucking governement buildings? Doesnt add up...

you dont have to prove every single little problem with 911. after all we the people didnt do it, this government did and they were the ones to investigate themselves.

we dont let rapists prosucute themselves do we?

Uhhh, yeah you do. Thats why so many conspiracy theories fail: they dont cover all their bases. Lets use a 4 year old analogy for this: Like when playing Clue, "I know Colonel Mustard did it with the rope, but i dont know what room..." See, still not good enough.

And I have had quite enough of "Our government is lying to us, and denying us our rights." STFU, America VOTED for every single member of our government, so blame yourselves if you want to believe these conspiracies. And i really dont give a rat's ass if you voted for Gore (or Nader ), its still equally your fault for not getting others to vote for your choice.