England meets Russia

[debilcina]

You have earned yourself a few enemies tonight siminov, and im being fucking serious now.

yeah, yeah. i admit being stupid for getting involved in this discussion with you in the first place. you started throwing dirt at my people first and everyone can see that. i should have just let you do it?

and norse, GROW UP

[Bijo]

Norse, lol, you are being voted for the most hated person in 2007... so we are not all jerks, you are dude,

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27183

visit it and look at your name, lol, i never saw that someone can be hated on internet , chill

[Simonov]

Ok, dig as much as you like, I know that being a communist, you prefer the east. But do not let that cloud your judgement....

i see that my last avatar had an effect i wanted on people (only in part) but i'm getting tired of getting flamed for it constantly...

it was meant to have "laibach-like" effect. expose an ideology by presenting it to the world.
http://www.laibach.nsk.si/l3.htm
but unfortunately no-one recognized it's true intent.

Laibach's method is extremely simple, effective and horribly open to misinterpretation. First of all, they absorb the mannerisms of the enemy, adopting all the seductive trappings and symbols of state power, and then they exaggerate everything to the edge of parody... Next they turn their focus to highly charged issues — the West's fear of immigrants from Eastern Europe, the power games of the EU, the analogies between Western democracy and totalitarianism.

i am moderately left-winged and like russia but i am far from being a communist.

so i'm changing it.

[Norse]

Hehe, the croat mafia, truely pathetic that you guys need to club up together.

Doesnt bother me though, my work here is done.

[diddle]

this was a nice thread, with a somewhat heated debate going on, but that was allright. back when this thread was talking about football, i enjoyed posting in it

[diddle]

MODS please move this thread to flame-wars, it wasn't intended to be a flame thread but a real escalation of violence has happened here.

for all i care, you can both f*ck off to the flame wars, so the normal people in the forums can actually talk about football

[Simonov]

MODS please move this thread to flame-wars, it wasn't intended to be a flame thread but a real escalation of violence has happened here.

for all i care, you can both f*ck off to the flame wars, so the normal people in the forums can actually talk about football

ok, you have a point, i let norse get to me, won't happen again. please do continue discussing football this was my intention in first place.

who do you think is absolutely sure to qualify? germany definitely has the strongest position:
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/n ... 83835.html

i also think poland, croatia and sweden have almost secure positions in finals except if a major mistake happens.

[Bijo]

Doesnt bother me though, my work here is done.

hmm, and what the f*ck have you done here? you made a fool of yourselves, nothing else my friend, this gone far too much from football psycho, we started prognoses and you started arguing something about soviet and communist, so you dont have a clue what real football talking is

[DAZMCFC]

there would be only 1:0 if judges weren't crooked. first goal was an offside and on last one one of your player blocked israel's keeper from jumping for the ball. just hope they won't help you again in upcoming matches...

now siminov, I saw the slow replay, the first goal was on side by about half a foot...

that what you want to believe, admit that referees played as your 12th player on this match.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx ... oId=408041

you should be ashamed that i need to teach you the rules of football since your people invented it. btw that is only sport you were good at. you suck at basketball, volleyball, handball etc... have only pansy sports like cricket and polo.

offside definition: In 2005 The International Football Association Board agreed a new Decision in Law 11 that being 'nearer to his opponent's goal line' meant that "any part of his head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent. The arms are not included in this definition."

this isn't offside?(look at england's attacker's upper body and head) hard to believe. even if it wasn't there was no way for judge to see it and in such occasion almost every time whistle is blown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db5O6v9dcfw
and look at the third "goal" yourself. obvious foul on goalkeeper.

the thing with your picture there is that it has already left his boot. on the initial contact Shaun Wright-Philips was onside.

Also "Guvna" was one of Man City`s firms. the young governers.

[Simonov]

the thing with your picture there is that it has already left his boot. on the initial contact Shaun Wright-Philips was onside.

ok it could be. yup it looks onside from this angle.



but ask yourself one question if it was reverse situation - if israel had chance like this i am more then 90% sure referee would have signaled an offside. it's easier to talk now when you have seen a slow motion but referee couldn't have seen if he was or wasn't offside for sure and i know that almost every time in situation like this he would signal the offside.

Also "Guvna" was one of Man City`s firms. the young governers.

ok, thanks for explaining. didn't want to insult all of you. i apologize, i only said what i said because you-know-who provoked me.

[diddle]

MODS please move this thread to flame-wars, it wasn't intended to be a flame thread but a real escalation of violence has happened here.

for all i care, you can both f*ck off to the flame wars, so the normal people in the forums can actually talk about football

ok, you have a point, i let norse get to me, won't happen again. please do continue discussing football this was my intention in first place.

who do you think is absolutely sure to qualify? germany definitely has the strongest position:
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/n ... 83835.html

i also think poland, croatia and sweden have almost secure positions in finals except if a major mistake happens.

wales and scotland have impressed me so far

[ignotus]

Poland and Germany played good so far...

[diddle]

i apologize, i only said what i said because you-know-who provoked me.

what?!? Voldermort?!?!

[Titanic]

MODS please move this thread to flame-wars, it wasn't intended to be a flame thread but a real escalation of violence has happened here.

for all i care, you can both f*ck off to the flame wars, so the normal people in the forums can actually talk about football

ok, you have a point, i let norse get to me, won't happen again. please do continue discussing football this was my intention in first place.

who do you think is absolutely sure to qualify? germany definitely has the strongest position:
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/n ... 83835.html

i also think poland, croatia and sweden have almost secure positions in finals except if a major mistake happens.

wales and scotland have impressed me so far

Apart from on the weekend, I think Northern Ireland have been the team which has impressed me most. Healy has scored plenty, and they have won matches against teams of similar or better quality then them.

[nagerous]

Anyone noticed Mclarens rapid balding since taking over as England manager?

[cena-rules]

Anyone noticed Mclarens rapid balding since taking over as England manager?

actually that was from managing us

[Simonov]

i apologize, i only said what i said because you-know-who provoked me.

what?!? Voldermort?!?!

lol you could say so.

wales and scotland have impressed me so far

yes, i agree scotland has played very well so far but they still have 3 tough matches ahead of them - france, italy and ukraine but they have strong chances of making it to finals.

[Simonov]

Anyone noticed Mclarens rapid balding since taking over as England manager?

actually that was from managing us

since you started talking about managers - who do you think did the best job so far?

i think Bilić is definitely among top 3. since he started leading croatia we didn't lose a single game.



http://www.uefa.com/magazine/news/kind= ... 43607.html

[ignotus]

Our Bilić is very good, but I think that Leo Beenhakker did a good job for Poland. Away match with Portugal ended 2-2 in Group A.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/standings/round=2241/group=2630.html

[Bijo]

Well the most who has impressed be from outsiders is definetly Scotland! i like them because of their fans, they impress me the way they are routing for their teams, Celtic and Rangers, and national team, they are bringing the wins to scotland, and wales now has good team, i like very much your young left back-wing Gareth Bale, he is really wonderkind

and north ireland really was impressive if you are looking how they played before 5 years and now...

but the strongest team in europe now i think definetly is Germany or France, germany has great teamwork, not so much stars, and france has many stars with great inviduals like Henry, Malouda, Ribery... and great defense , and has one of the best defensive midfielders in the world now, Patrick Vieira.

Others which are climbing high is Croatia, Russia, Poland too, Switzerland definetly( some great players they have like Frei, Senderos or Djorou, remember their lost in World Cup really unfortunately..

[Iliad]

I believe Russia would win it. We have a solid defence. However there may be a draw in England a win in Russia

[Bijo]

i dont think so that you are so good ... it's like this 65 % is win for england 30 % is for draw and chances for russia win is 5 %,

in Russia 30 % win for russia 40 % for draw and chances for england to win is 30 %

but you know why i think croatia has best chances in group , because you both play each other 2 games while croatia played it already the biggest games, we have now Andora (away) - probably 3 points 99 % chances,
Israel (home) -probably win , i would say 75 % chances for win,
Macedonia ( away)- this one is the hardest one, 55 % for win , 30% for draw.... and the last , if we win this all games which i beleive we will we play against England ( away) which we wont care about if we win this all games, but i would like that we dont win this all games and we play against england with all our strenghts, i just wonder how england would deal with it on wembley....

[Simonov]

i dont think so that you are so good ... it's like this 65 % is win for england 30 % is for draw and chances for russia win is 5 %,

in Russia 30 % win for russia 40 % for draw and chances for england to win is 30 %

yes, they are. especially if you compare how they played just a few years before.

england will win probably at wembly but it's going to be a tough match. england had problems with scoring and russia has a good record with not conceding goals (though little unjust crossbar saved them quite a few times when they played against croatia).

i'd say: england wins 50%, draw 35% and russia wins 15%.
and in return game in russia i'd say 33% for either side winning or a draw but the outcome of that game will depend heavily on how the first one will be played.

[AlgyTaylor]

I think ...

England will beat Russia unconvincingly at Wembley (1-0 or 2-1 or something)
England will lose to Russia in Moscow
England will draw with Croatia at Wembley

And as a consequence, England will go out. McClaren is a rubbish manager and always has been. I can honestly say I was VERY disappointed when he was made England manager, never bought in to the idea that he did anything worthwhile at Middlesbrough either - Boro had a terrible season in the league and, at the end of the day, failed to win the UEFA Cup. Which, to me, doesn't indicate that he's in any way a decent manager. Besides which, they were very lucky to get as far as they did in the competition

Croatia & Russia to qualify, I'm afraid.

[Simonov]

some game stats for both teams per match:

ENGLAND

average goals scored: 1.88
average goals against: 0.25
shots on goal: 5.25
fouls committed: 14
cards (yellow or red) : 1.75

RUSSIA

average goals scored: 1.75
average goals against: 0.13
shots on goal: 4
fouls committed: 12.13
cards (yellow or red) : 1.5

from this you can see it will be a tight game with lots of fouls and few goals. on average there should be a foul break every 3-4 mins! the team who scores first will be in great advantage.