Greater China [Quenched] (thanks Widowmakers)

[alster]

Yes. Greater China is a good name. Then maybe a dragon (as suggested), or perhaps an older symbol from imperial China dating back to the 1930´s?

[Wisse]

Hmm... why on earth is there a Taiwan province of present-day China?

It's not a clear-cut issue, but: Taiwan is not part of China. That China has a claim on it is a different matter.

If you wish to leave it, naming the map "China and Taiwan" would be more correct.

Admitedly, I have not read the entire thread. Nonetheless - why on earth would you do this (in effect appeasing the Chinesee regime)?

EDIT: In other words - Suggestion: Remove Taiwan from the China map. (After all, you don't include Canada in a present day U.S. map. The same thing.)

The thing is that mainland China considers Taiwan to be a province of China, Taiwan considers itself the rightful ruler of the mainland so to take Taiwan out of the map would make everyone that calls themselves Chinese unhappy.

Another question I'd like to ask that quite possibly has been asked before is why did you choose to use "Nei Mongol" instead of "Inner Mongolia" and why "Xizang" instead of "Tibet." These regions are called "autonomous" by the mainland government and have their own traditional English names.

hello everybody i thought lets have a look at this thread (still on vacation)

i don't know it anymore with those names, wich one should i take..
wich ones are used right now?

[Wisse]

and ok, i was considering that too, i will take taiwan off the map

[Qwert]

And dont forget border issue when you come back from vacation.

[iancanton]

Another question I'd like to ask that quite possibly has been asked before is why did you choose to use "Nei Mongol" instead of "Inner Mongolia" and why "Xizang" instead of "Tibet." These regions are called "autonomous" by the mainland government and have their own traditional English names.

i don't know it anymore with those names, wich one should i take..
wich ones are used right now?

i am neutral on this. the chinese authorities use nei mongol (mongolian) and xizang (chinese) for official purposes. although uk newspapers almost exclusively use inner mongolia and tibet (since 99% of their readers wouldn't recognise these regions solely by looking at their official names), the english names do not have official status in the same way that the hong kong name does.

ian.

[Wisse]

Another question I'd like to ask that quite possibly has been asked before is why did you choose to use "Nei Mongol" instead of "Inner Mongolia" and why "Xizang" instead of "Tibet." These regions are called "autonomous" by the mainland government and have their own traditional English names.

i don't know it anymore with those names, wich one should i take..
wich ones are used right now?

i am neutral on this. the chinese authorities use nei mongol (mongolian) and xizang (chinese) for official purposes. although uk newspapers almost exclusively use inner mongolia and tibet (since 99% of their readers wouldn't recognise these regions solely by looking at their official names), the english names do not have official status in the same way that the hong kong name does.

ian.

if this is treu ik keep the chinese and he mongolian names

[Ruben Cassar]

Don't take Taiwan off the map. Just change the flag or something...I guess that's an easier thing to do right? Also it wouldn't affect gameplay...

[AndyDufresne]

I think using the name that was suggested 'Greater China' and perhaps the addition of the other flag, seems to be the easiest and most worthwhile, rather than taking it from the map.


--Andy

[yeti_c]

I think using the name that was suggested 'Greater China' and perhaps the addition of the other flag, seems to be the easiest and most worthwhile, rather than taking it from the map.


--Andy

Greater China is immaterial - both countries think they are "China" so leave it as China - but put the extra flag on.

C.

[lettherebedwight]

on the bonuses is says something about kashmir bombarding east xizang but the name of the country, i guess it may have been changed or something, is now west xizang. Unless im missing something.

[Bad Speler]

I believe you are right, Kashmir as far as i knew was contested by Pakistan and India...i guess a part of it is also contested by China. Anyways, I think Kashmir is the striped territory at the west end of te map which is unnamed

[iancanton]

Greater China is immaterial - both countries think they are "China" so leave it as China - but put the extra flag on.

C.

things have changed since the 1980s and taiwan does not think it is china. the taiwanese government wants to join the united nations under the name of taiwan, but mainland china has said that it will invade if taiwan removes the word china from its official name.

to call the map simply "china" therefore means taking a political stance in favour of the mainland view.

ian.

[iancanton]

I believe you are right, Kashmir as far as i knew was contested by Pakistan and India...i guess a part of it is also contested by China. Anyways, I think Kashmir is the striped territory at the west end of te map which is unnamed

china did annex a small part of kashmir nearly fifty years ago, but india does not recognise chinese kashmir as being part of china, even though it is under complete chinese control.

since xizang is politically under one single autonomous region government, i am unsure why xizang is divided into east and west on the map. perhaps the originator believes that the gameplay is not so good if xizang is one region instead of two, but i'm guessing.

ian.

[yeti_c]

Greater China is immaterial - both countries think they are "China" so leave it as China - but put the extra flag on.

C.

things have changed since the 1980s and taiwan does not think it is china. the taiwanese government wants to join the united nations under the name of taiwan, but mainland china has said that it will invade if taiwan removes the word china from its official name.

to call the map simply "china" therefore means taking a political stance in favour of the mainland view.

ian.

Ah I see... Thanks for setting me straight.

C.

[Wisse]

I think using the name that was suggested 'Greater China' and perhaps the addition of the other flag, seems to be the easiest and most worthwhile, rather than taking it from the map.


--Andy

ok,
but what flag should i take, i have no idea wich one

[Wisse]

on the bonuses is says something about kashmir bombarding east xizang but the name of the country, i guess it may have been changed or something, is now west xizang. Unless im missing something.

kashmir is the striped terretory

[Wisse]

I believe you are right, Kashmir as far as i knew was contested by Pakistan and India...i guess a part of it is also contested by China. Anyways, I think Kashmir is the striped territory at the west end of te map which is unnamed

china did annex a small part of kashmir nearly fifty years ago, but india does not recognise chinese kashmir as being part of china, even though it is under complete chinese control.

since xizang is politically under one single autonomous region government, i am unsure why xizang is divided into east and west on the map. perhaps the originator believes that the gameplay is not so good if xizang is one region instead of two, but i'm guessing.

ian.

because of the millitary regions:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_e ... lreg96.jpg

[Honibaz]

I believe you are right, Kashmir as far as i knew was contested by Pakistan and India...i guess a part of it is also contested by China. Anyways, I think Kashmir is the striped territory at the west end of te map which is unnamed

china did annex a small part of kashmir nearly fifty years ago, but india does not recognise chinese kashmir as being part of china, even though it is under complete chinese control.

since xizang is politically under one single autonomous region government, i am unsure why xizang is divided into east and west on the map. perhaps the originator believes that the gameplay is not so good if xizang is one region instead of two, but i'm guessing.

ian.

because of the millitary regions:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_e ... lreg96.jpg

I myself am in China and would like to say a few things about your map.

1.The great wall extends from the border between Liaoning and Hebei to the middle of Gansu. There is no Great Wall opening between Nei Mongol and Hebei.
2.What happened to the four administrative cities(Chongqing, Shanghai, Tianjin, and Beijing), Ningxia, Hong Kong, and Macau? Hong Kong and Macau was returned to China before 2000.
3. The Yellow River never did meet Yangtze. It stretched over Ningxia and had it's mouth in Qinghai.
4.Kashmir is not a part of China anymore, but Aksai Chin is.
5.When you say that Kashmir can bombard but not conquer East Xizang, do you mean they can only attack it until it has 1 army left?
6.It's Guangdong, not Guangdon

Just some things to think about before you want to publish the China map.

Honibaz

[Wisse]

I myself am in China and would like to say a few things about your map.

1.The great wall extends from the border between Liaoning and Hebei to the middle of Gansu. There is no Great Wall opening between Nei Mongol.
2.What happened to the four administrative cities(Chongqing, Shanghai, Tianjin, and Beijing), Ningxia, Hong Kong, and Macau? Hong Kong and Macau was returned to China before 2000.
3. The Yellow River never did meet Yangtze. It stretched over Ningxia and had it's mouth in Qinghai.
4.Kashmir is not a part of China anymore, but Aksai Chin is.
5.When you say that Kashmir can bombard but not conquer East Xizang, do you mean they can only attack it until it has 1 army left?
6.It's Guangdong, not Guangdon

Just some things to think about before you want to publish the China map.

Honibaz

1. that is for gameplay
2. what do you mean? i don't have cities anywhere
3. thats also for gameplay
4. dunno what aksai chin is if you could let it see on a map i can mayby do something about it
5. i mean it can kill it so it leaves 1 neutral army (its part of the new xml update)
6. ok i will change that

[Honibaz]

I myself am in China and would like to say a few things about your map.

1.The great wall extends from the border between Liaoning and Hebei to the middle of Gansu. There is no Great Wall opening between Nei Mongol.
2.What happened to the four administrative cities(Chongqing, Shanghai, Tianjin, and Beijing), Ningxia, Hong Kong, and Macau? Hong Kong and Macau was returned to China before 2000.
3. The Yellow River never did meet Yangtze. It stretched over Ningxia and had it's mouth in Qinghai.
4.Kashmir is not a part of China anymore, but Aksai Chin is.
5.When you say that Kashmir can bombard but not conquer East Xizang, do you mean they can only attack it until it has 1 army left?
6.It's Guangdong, not Guangdon

Just some things to think about before you want to publish the China map.

Honibaz

1. that is for gameplay
2. what do you mean? i don't have cities anywhere
3. thats also for gameplay
4. dunno what aksai chin is if you could let it see on a map i can mayby do something about it
5. i mean it can kill it so it leaves 1 neutral army (its part of the new xml update)
6. ok i will change that

Ningxia is not a city, it's an autonomous region. Ignore aksai chin, I couldn't paste the map here.

Honibaz

[gimil]

there IS no cities on his map

[Wisse]

I myself am in China and would like to say a few things about your map.

1.The great wall extends from the border between Liaoning and Hebei to the middle of Gansu. There is no Great Wall opening between Nei Mongol.
2.What happened to the four administrative cities(Chongqing, Shanghai, Tianjin, and Beijing), Ningxia, Hong Kong, and Macau? Hong Kong and Macau was returned to China before 2000.
3. The Yellow River never did meet Yangtze. It stretched over Ningxia and had it's mouth in Qinghai.
4.Kashmir is not a part of China anymore, but Aksai Chin is.
5.When you say that Kashmir can bombard but not conquer East Xizang, do you mean they can only attack it until it has 1 army left?
6.It's Guangdong, not Guangdon

Just some things to think about before you want to publish the China map.

Honibaz

1. that is for gameplay
2. what do you mean? i don't have cities anywhere
3. thats also for gameplay
4. dunno what aksai chin is if you could let it see on a map i can mayby do something about it
5. i mean it can kill it so it leaves 1 neutral army (its part of the new xml update)
6. ok i will change that

Ningxia is not a city, it's an autonomous region. Ignore aksai chin, I couldn't paste the map here.

Honibaz

please make an example so i can understand wich reguin it is

[tim02]

how long have you worked on this

[Honibaz]

I myself am in China and would like to say a few things about your map.

1.The great wall extends from the border between Liaoning and Hebei to the middle of Gansu. There is no Great Wall opening between Nei Mongol.
2.What happened to the four administrative cities(Chongqing, Shanghai, Tianjin, and Beijing), Ningxia, Hong Kong, and Macau? Hong Kong and Macau was returned to China before 2000.
3. The Yellow River never did meet Yangtze. It stretched over Ningxia and had it's mouth in Qinghai.
4.Kashmir is not a part of China anymore, but Aksai Chin is.
5.When you say that Kashmir can bombard but not conquer East Xizang, do you mean they can only attack it until it has 1 army left?
6.It's Guangdong, not Guangdon

Just some things to think about before you want to publish the China map.

Honibaz

1. that is for gameplay
2. what do you mean? i don't have cities anywhere
3. thats also for gameplay
4. dunno what aksai chin is if you could let it see on a map i can mayby do something about it
5. i mean it can kill it so it leaves 1 neutral army (its part of the new xml update)
6. ok i will change that

Ningxia is not a city, it's an autonomous region. Ignore aksai chin, I couldn't paste the map here.

Honibaz

please make an example so i can understand wich reguin it is

Ningxia is between Shaanxi and Gansu and borders Nei Mongol.

Honibaz

[Suntzu]

i like it alot.continue the good work.SUNTZU